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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#261 » by Big J » Mon Oct 7, 2024 6:45 pm

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Big J wrote:Anyone else starting to believe Bill Simmons theory that this is our "year from hell"?


Hard to question it at this point. This team just doesn't seem to have it. We're in the easy part of our schedule and we keep finding ways to lose. How is this team ever going to stop the legit offenses we play, and score on the legit defenses we play?

Re: a Purdy extension, we don't have to think about it at all right now because it's a moot point until the end of the season. So as said once or twice before, let's just wait and see how he looks at that time.


It's definitely a blessing in disguise that we're getting to see what Purdy looks like without CMC this season. Sucks for this year, but hopefully good for long term decision making.
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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#262 » by CrimsonCrew » Mon Oct 7, 2024 7:27 pm

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Big J wrote:Anyone else starting to believe Bill Simmons theory that this is our "year from hell"?


Hard to question it at this point. This team just doesn't seem to have it. We're in the easy part of our schedule and we keep finding ways to lose. How is this team ever going to stop the legit offenses we play, and score on the legit defenses we play?

Re: a Purdy extension, we don't have to think about it at all right now because it's a moot point until the end of the season. So as said once or twice before, let's just wait and see how he looks at that time.


It's definitely a blessing in disguise that we're getting to see what Purdy looks like without CMC this season. Sucks for this year, but hopefully good for long term decision making.


I would agree with that. It certainly informs the decision-making process, though the way this team as a whole has executed to date this season, it's hard to single out any one player for critical evaluation. Especially at the position that most relies on other guys executing at least at a baseline level.
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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#263 » by CrimsonCrew » Mon Oct 7, 2024 8:24 pm

High ankle sprain for Moody, not surprisingly. So irritated that even when STs actually makes a huge play, they immediately turn around and F it all up with a bad kickoff, worse kick coverage, and an awful tackle by the kicker. Really strong argument we win that game if we had a competent kicker available.
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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#264 » by arich35 » Tue Oct 8, 2024 12:57 am

Big J wrote:
CrimsonCrew wrote:
Big J wrote:Anyone else starting to believe Bill Simmons theory that this is our "year from hell"?


Hard to question it at this point. This team just doesn't seem to have it. We're in the easy part of our schedule and we keep finding ways to lose. How is this team ever going to stop the legit offenses we play, and score on the legit defenses we play?

Re: a Purdy extension, we don't have to think about it at all right now because it's a moot point until the end of the season. So as said once or twice before, let's just wait and see how he looks at that time.


It's definitely a blessing in disguise that we're getting to see what Purdy looks like without CMC this season. Sucks for this year, but hopefully good for long term decision making.


Purdy has been good this year minus a quarter of this game. He is not the problem at the moment at all
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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#265 » by Big J » Tue Oct 8, 2024 1:35 am

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Big J wrote:
CrimsonCrew wrote:
Hard to question it at this point. This team just doesn't seem to have it. We're in the easy part of our schedule and we keep finding ways to lose. How is this team ever going to stop the legit offenses we play, and score on the legit defenses we play?

Re: a Purdy extension, we don't have to think about it at all right now because it's a moot point until the end of the season. So as said once or twice before, let's just wait and see how he looks at that time.


It's definitely a blessing in disguise that we're getting to see what Purdy looks like without CMC this season. Sucks for this year, but hopefully good for long term decision making.


Purdy has been good this year minus a quarter of this game. He is not the problem at the moment at all


Right, but if we had CMC we would most likely be undefeated. Just shows how much him being out matters.
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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#266 » by Samurai » Tue Oct 8, 2024 2:25 am

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arich35 wrote:
Big J wrote:
It's definitely a blessing in disguise that we're getting to see what Purdy looks like without CMC this season. Sucks for this year, but hopefully good for long term decision making.


Purdy has been good this year minus a quarter of this game. He is not the problem at the moment at all


Right, but if we had CMC we would most likely be undefeated. Just shows how much him being out matters.

No question that not having CMC really hurts our red zone offense, but I don't think that impacts our poor tackling on defense, our inconsistent pass rush, or letting receivers run free in the secondary. Obviously not having Greenlaw is a factor but not sure if just having him back would solve all those defensive problems. Plus our special teams would still likely have cost us a game. So I'm not convinced that just having CMC back would have us sitting at 5-0 right now. We would obviously be better now with both CMC and Dre healthy but there are still a number of gaps on defense and the offensive line that would still need to be addressed.
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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#267 » by arich35 » Tue Oct 8, 2024 5:17 am

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arich35 wrote:
Big J wrote:
It's definitely a blessing in disguise that we're getting to see what Purdy looks like without CMC this season. Sucks for this year, but hopefully good for long term decision making.


Purdy has been good this year minus a quarter of this game. He is not the problem at the moment at all


Right, but if we had CMC we would most likely be undefeated. Just shows how much him being out matters.


I agree it matters a lot but your original post was we are getting to see what Purdy looks like without him. And if anything this has shown he is very capable of being a good to great QB without him. If anything this shows that Kyle is having trouble scheming stuff without CMC. I think Kyle is trying to be too aggressive in the pass game because he finally has a QB who he feels like can do that and it is causing him to not be more true to his offense which is causing more issues than before (mainly in the red zone)
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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#268 » by Jikkle » Tue Oct 8, 2024 8:36 am

arich35 wrote:
Big J wrote:
arich35 wrote:
Purdy has been good this year minus a quarter of this game. He is not the problem at the moment at all


Right, but if we had CMC we would most likely be undefeated. Just shows how much him being out matters.


I agree it matters a lot but your original post was we are getting to see what Purdy looks like without him. And if anything this has shown he is very capable of being a good to great QB without him. If anything this shows that Kyle is having trouble scheming stuff without CMC. I think Kyle is trying to be too aggressive in the pass game because he finally has a QB who he feels like can do that and it is causing him to not be more true to his offense which is causing more issues than before (mainly in the red zone)


Defenses are defending us differently and it's forced the offense to go deeper.

Coordinators know Kyle's offense feasts on running the ball and passes over the middle that give space for guys to get YAC.

So at least to my untrained eye they are selling out to stop the run on early downs and on passing downs putting a lot of bodies into coverage and clamping down.

The dropback passing game is by far the weakest part of Shanahan's offense scheme-wise and really personnel-wise so defenses are forcing Shanahan and the offense to beat them that way.

In actuality the down the field pass game isn't what's killing us because the offense is still quite effective moving the ball down the field but the awful red zone execution thats killing this team.

We're 31st in the league with 9 punts so far this season, only one more than the Commanders' 8 punts. But we're 41% in scoring TDs in the red zone which puts us 29th in the league in that regard which is abysmal. Last year we ended up 1st at 68% in scoring TDs in the red zone.

CMC clearly makes a difference in how Shanahan schemes the red zone but 41% is still really low for Shanahan. The odd thing to me is we have guys like Kittle and Jennings who should be prime end-zone targets so it's not like we don't have nobody on paper that shouldn't work.

This might be where Pearsall can make a difference for this team because I do think one big problem is I don't think Deebo is suited for an offense where he has to be a pure WR type. Deebo thrives when you can scheme him open with space to run for YAC and if defenses are shutting that down we could use more of a regular type of WR.

Also this is where the lack of a pure burner at WR hurts as well because if we had a WR that could threaten defenses with speed that would help soften the middle of the defenses.
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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#269 » by clyde21 » Tue Oct 8, 2024 5:34 pm

bring Robert Saleh back asap
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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#270 » by Big J » Tue Oct 8, 2024 5:36 pm

clyde21 wrote:bring Robert Saleh back asap

No way! Salah is a clown and he runs the same awful outdated Seattle scheme.
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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#271 » by WentzerWuver » Tue Oct 8, 2024 6:10 pm

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clyde21 wrote:bring Robert Saleh back asap

No way! Salah is a clown and he runs the same awful outdated Seattle scheme.
Then explain why the Jets defense remain the best in their division ever since Saleh took over and top 3 in the league? Saleh understands how to implement on the fly adjustments to counter any offensive changes, yet you prefer the 'I don't adjust to win' Sorensen. It's why you lose credibility with your Purdy getting his gucci bag arguments. Yes, he's in over his head as a HC but he won't be the last to fail at the helm. If I am the owner, I would give Saleh full control of the defense along with any perks he wants to return. Winning the SB will NOT happen with a noob.

https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2024/8/22/24225641/2024-nfl-defense-ranking-new-york-jets-cleveland-browns-baltimore-ravens

Had the Jets not toss 3 picks on offense that turned into 13 points for Minny, they would have beaten them since the Jets D held their own unlike the 49ers defense which turn the ghost passer into this unstoppable beast with the best offensive performance of his career.

https://youtu.be/hhtxoDFm680?si=RSDfV7CWpVc1XsRq
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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#272 » by Big J » Tue Oct 8, 2024 7:08 pm

WentzerWuver wrote:
Big J wrote:
clyde21 wrote:bring Robert Saleh back asap

No way! Salah is a clown and he runs the same awful outdated Seattle scheme.
Then explain why the Jets defense remain the best in their division ever since Saleh took over and top 3 in the league? Saleh understands how to implement on the fly adjustments to counter any offensive changes, yet you prefer the 'I don't adjust to win' Sorensen. It's why you lose credibility with your Purdy getting his gucci bag arguments. Yes, he's in over his head as a HC but he won't be the last to fail at the helm. If I am the owner, I would give Saleh full control of the defense along with any perks he wants to return. Winning the SB will NOT happen with a noob.

https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2024/8/22/24225641/2024-nfl-defense-ranking-new-york-jets-cleveland-browns-baltimore-ravens

If the Jets hadn't toss 3 picks on offense that turned into 13 points for Minny, they would have beaten them since the Jets D held their own unlike the 49ers defense which turn the ghost passer into this unstoppable beast with the best offensive performance of his career.

https://youtu.be/hhtxoDFm680?si=RSDfV7CWpVc1XsRq


Saleh makes clown comments to the media, and has turned the jets into a circus. We need to hire someone like Belichik who runs a buttoned down tight ship.
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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#273 » by WentzerWuver » Tue Oct 8, 2024 7:13 pm

Big J wrote:Saleh makes clown comments to the media, and has turned the jets into a circus. We need to hire someone like Belichik who runs a buttoned down tight ship.
The guy who refuses to pay the Da Goat his gucci and was finally able to push him out the door?

Maybe Belichick would be a good hire :)
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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#274 » by CrimsonCrew » Tue Oct 8, 2024 7:42 pm

Big J wrote:
WentzerWuver wrote:
Big J wrote: No way! Salah is a clown and he runs the same awful outdated Seattle scheme.
Then explain why the Jets defense remain the best in their division ever since Saleh took over and top 3 in the league? Saleh understands how to implement on the fly adjustments to counter any offensive changes, yet you prefer the 'I don't adjust to win' Sorensen. It's why you lose credibility with your Purdy getting his gucci bag arguments. Yes, he's in over his head as a HC but he won't be the last to fail at the helm. If I am the owner, I would give Saleh full control of the defense along with any perks he wants to return. Winning the SB will NOT happen with a noob.

https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2024/8/22/24225641/2024-nfl-defense-ranking-new-york-jets-cleveland-browns-baltimore-ravens

If the Jets hadn't toss 3 picks on offense that turned into 13 points for Minny, they would have beaten them since the Jets D held their own unlike the 49ers defense which turn the ghost passer into this unstoppable beast with the best offensive performance of his career.

https://youtu.be/hhtxoDFm680?si=RSDfV7CWpVc1XsRq


Saleh makes clown comments to the media, and has turned the jets into a circus. We need to hire someone like Belichik who runs a buttoned down tight ship.


They tried. Don't think Belichick is interested in being an assistant.
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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#275 » by CrimsonCrew » Tue Oct 8, 2024 8:54 pm

Watching Jonnydel on the red zone offense. Looks like part of the problem - potentially a big part of it - is Mason not following his blocks at times. A couple of runs by Mason where he's not doing the little things in terms of his footwork and vision. Obviously Mason has been really good, but if he follows his blocks, he'll be even better. Also explains why, for all the big runs, you'll see plenty of Mason getting one, two, three yards or less.

Quick review of the plays he looked at:

1st and goal, run to Mason. Mason gets nervous when their end plays crashes, but we have a blocker to account for it (Puni pulling). Instead of running to the hole, Mason runs to where the blocking isn't.

2nd and goal, pass to Kittle. Kittle is supposed to do a hard fake to the inside, but doesn't really sell it. Coverage is tight, but a pretty nice ball that Kittle has a chance at and drops (hard to catch, but Kittle is expected to catch those).

3rd and goal, supposed to be a pick play to Juice, but Aiyuk doesn't get the pick. Might have had a shot to Jennings, but hard to pull that pass off on the move.

1st and goal, run to Guerendo. Guerendo again misses the hole, bounces outside and gets tackled immediately.

2nd and goal, pass to Kittle. A quicker, better pass probably scores a TD, but also a play that would have scored if we ran it to the wide side of the field instead of the short side. Unclear if that was Shanahan or Brock who messed it up.

3rd and goal, first read to Deebo who got knocked off his route. Purdy could have come off it and gotten to Aiyuk as his second read for the TD, but he doesn't scrambles around and we don't get it.

1st and goal, throwaway to Mason. Deebo runs a terrible route, slow off the line, no real effort at a fake, and gets no separation against a LB. Kittle does come open, but Purdy gets jumpy and throws it away in Mason's direction.

2nd and goal, pass to Jennings. Jennings doesn't really win on the route, though the throw was behind. Better throw had a chance for a TD, but not much window.

3rd and goal, six seconds left in the half, timing is completely off. Jennings was supposed to pick Aiyuk's man, but Aiyuk was late and Jennings ends up picking his own teammate. No one open and Purdy throws it away - almost too late to get the FG.

Not red zone, but on the first INT, Deebo again dogs a route. He should pull the defender out with him, but instead the defender drops inside to close out Kittle as an option. He moves and still tries to squeeze it in, but the defender falls off and bats the sidearm throw. There was a window there, but it would have been a lot wider if Deebo actually played a decoy effectively.

1st and 10 from the 15, Mason doesn't read the hole, is late, and the play falls apart.

One takeaway is that we might have made a mistake in dropping Schrader. He's not a physical marvel, but he gets how to follow blocks. It's unclear that Mason and Guerendo really excel in that area. And the loss of McCaffrey in the red zone isn't hurting because of the receiving threat, but because our runners aren't doing what they're supposed to be.

Overall takeaway is that everyone needs to be crisper. And in my view, that means we're looking squarely at the coach.
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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#276 » by Pattersonca65 » Tue Oct 8, 2024 10:25 pm

WentzerWuver wrote:
Big J wrote:Saleh makes clown comments to the media, and has turned the jets into a circus. We need to hire someone like Belichik who runs a buttoned down tight ship.
The guy who refuses to pay the Da Goat his gucci and was finally able to push him out the door?

Maybe Belichick would be a good hire :)


I would take Saleh back although reports are this morning he is wants to take a break from coaching and won't accept a job for the rest of 2024. They did offer Belicheck the position but I knew he would reject it. GOAT level head coaches like Walsh and BB don't take demotions to coordinator positions. It just doesn't happen.
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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#277 » by Jikkle » Tue Oct 8, 2024 10:50 pm

Big J wrote:
clyde21 wrote:bring Robert Saleh back asap

No way! Salah is a clown and he runs the same awful outdated Seattle scheme.


I've been vocal about moving on from this stale scheme for a while now and it's still my preference that it's scrapped in the offseason.

However, if Shanahan is going to insist on sticking with the scheme then I would want Saleh back as he's one of the better guys at running it and definitely better than what we have right now.
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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#278 » by Jikkle » Tue Oct 8, 2024 10:57 pm

CrimsonCrew wrote:Watching Jonnydel on the red zone offense. Looks like part of the problem - potentially a big part of it - is Mason not following his blocks at times. A couple of runs by Mason where he's not doing the little things in terms of his footwork and vision. Obviously Mason has been really good, but if he follows his blocks, he'll be even better. Also explains why, for all the big runs, you'll see plenty of Mason getting one, two, three yards or less.

Quick review of the plays he looked at:

1st and goal, run to Mason. Mason gets nervous when their end plays crashes, but we have a blocker to account for it (Puni pulling). Instead of running to the hole, Mason runs to where the blocking isn't.

2nd and goal, pass to Kittle. Kittle is supposed to do a hard fake to the inside, but doesn't really sell it. Coverage is tight, but a pretty nice ball that Kittle has a chance at and drops (hard to catch, but Kittle is expected to catch those).

3rd and goal, supposed to be a pick play to Juice, but Aiyuk doesn't get the pick. Might have had a shot to Jennings, but hard to pull that pass off on the move.

1st and goal, run to Guerendo. Guerendo again misses the hole, bounces outside and gets tackled immediately.

2nd and goal, pass to Kittle. A quicker, better pass probably scores a TD, but also a play that would have scored if we ran it to the wide side of the field instead of the short side. Unclear if that was Shanahan or Brock who messed it up.

3rd and goal, first read to Deebo who got knocked off his route. Purdy could have come off it and gotten to Aiyuk as his second read for the TD, but he doesn't scrambles around and we don't get it.

1st and goal, throwaway to Mason. Deebo runs a terrible route, slow off the line, no real effort at a fake, and gets no separation against a LB. Kittle does come open, but Purdy gets jumpy and throws it away in Mason's direction.

2nd and goal, pass to Jennings. Jennings doesn't really win on the route, though the throw was behind. Better throw had a chance for a TD, but not much window.

3rd and goal, six seconds left in the half, timing is completely off. Jennings was supposed to pick Aiyuk's man, but Aiyuk was late and Jennings ends up picking his own teammate. No one open and Purdy throws it away - almost too late to get the FG.

Not red zone, but on the first INT, Deebo again dogs a route. He should pull the defender out with him, but instead the defender drops inside to close out Kittle as an option. He moves and still tries to squeeze it in, but the defender falls off and bats the sidearm throw. There was a window there, but it would have been a lot wider if Deebo actually played a decoy effectively.

1st and 10 from the 15, Mason doesn't read the hole, is late, and the play falls apart.

One takeaway is that we might have made a mistake in dropping Schrader. He's not a physical marvel, but he gets how to follow blocks. It's unclear that Mason and Guerendo really excel in that area. And the loss of McCaffrey in the red zone isn't hurting because of the receiving threat, but because our runners aren't doing what they're supposed to be.

Overall takeaway is that everyone needs to be crisper. And in my view, that means we're looking squarely at the coach.


It was in the back of my head as I was watching it that Mason didn't seem like he was hitting the holes like he should and the JohnnyDel video just confirmed it for me.

It just always feels weird to me that it seems like Deebo gets away with his lack of effort and I'd think the coaching staff would be all over his case for it. But given how often it gets pointed out game to game over and over again it seems like they just let it slide.

They really need to get Pearsall in there and see if he can be a more traditional threat at WR because it seems like Deebo doesn't bring anything to the table unless you scheme him open and give him room to run. Maybe lower leg injuries adding up are catching up to him but him not being able to beat LBs 1 on 1 is not good.
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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#279 » by wco81 » Tue Oct 8, 2024 11:12 pm

Pattersonca65 wrote:
WentzerWuver wrote:
Big J wrote:Saleh makes clown comments to the media, and has turned the jets into a circus. We need to hire someone like Belichik who runs a buttoned down tight ship.
The guy who refuses to pay the Da Goat his gucci and was finally able to push him out the door?

Maybe Belichick would be a good hire :)


I would take Saleh back although reports are this morning he is wants to take a break from coaching and won't accept a job for the rest of 2024. They did offer Belicheck the position but I knew he would reject it. GOAT level head coaches like Walsh and BB don't take demotions to coordinator positions. It just doesn't happen.


Bellicheck only cares about breaking the all-time wins record. I think he's like 10 wins or less away.

So being a coordinator or Asst. HC does not fit his agenda and he's not getting younger.

However, maybe teams won't hire him as HC unless he "proves" himself as a DC?
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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#280 » by CrimsonCrew » Tue Oct 8, 2024 11:18 pm

wco81 wrote:
Pattersonca65 wrote:
WentzerWuver wrote:The guy who refuses to pay the Da Goat his gucci and was finally able to push him out the door?

Maybe Belichick would be a good hire :)


I would take Saleh back although reports are this morning he is wants to take a break from coaching and won't accept a job for the rest of 2024. They did offer Belicheck the position but I knew he would reject it. GOAT level head coaches like Walsh and BB don't take demotions to coordinator positions. It just doesn't happen.


Bellicheck only cares about breaking the all-time wins record. I think he's like 10 wins or less away.

So being a coordinator or Asst. HC does not fit his agenda and he's not getting younger.

However, maybe teams won't hire him as HC unless he "proves" himself as a DC?


It would be pretty hard to believe that some team wouldn't give Belichick a chance as HC given some of the guys out there running teams. Totally get not giving him personnel powers. I think that's where he got himself in trouble. But in terms of coaching, especially on the defensive side of the ball, he's as good as it gets.

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