San Francisco @ Buffalo

[RIPskaterdude]

This team has given up on the coaching staff

[Jikkle]

Once again Kyle leaves players in that he should pull.

[thesack12]

This team needs massive changes so I'm all in for losing out in embarrassing fashion.

I'm not on the fire Kyle wagon.

While a LOT of problems this season boil down to coaching, and that needs to be cleaned up in the worst way, in some ways Kyle is a victim of his own success. Because his teams have been so successful in years past the expectations are sky high which makes being 5-7 look like an utter disaster. Even with that they have only soundly lost 2 games (the last 2 games @ Green Bay and @ Buffalo.) The other losses where very winnable games and most were outright choked away. Which again, a lot of that is attributed to coaching.

In my opinion, Kyle has absolutely earned the right to survive a down season. Still with that there does need to be sweeping changes made. Starting with cleaning the rest of the coaching ranks save for Bobby Turner and Kris Kocurek. Everybody else needs to go bye bye, and an outside DC needs to be brought in and ST needs to be completely turned over in every way. Kyle himself needs to adapt his overall scheme to not only adjust to how DC's have changed the way they defend SF but also needs to find a way to stay 1 step ahead of them. So he has a lot of engineering to do this winter/spring.

[thesack12]

Welp, thinking they had a chance for 1.5 quarters was fun, but its about to go all downhill from here.

Can't help but feel like the D has already shot its wad, and the offense is probably going into the tank with CMC going down and FG's are basically out of the question.

Cue the blowout

Posted this when it was 7-3 Buffalo.

Was 1000% right about the D already shooting its wad, they gave up a 65 yard TD run on the very next play from scrimmage.

Not that it was some Nostradamus type of proclamation, I've just been paying attention to who the 2024 San Francisco 49ers are

[CharityStripe34]

I was at the game. Even though the defense couldn't stop Buffalo the turning point was Juices stupid fumble. We left the game midway through the 3rd thankfully. There were a good amount of 9er fans.

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[49er4life1979]

This team needs massive changes so I'm all in for losing out in embarrassing fashion.

I'm not on the fire Kyle wagon.

While a LOT of problems this season boil down to coaching, and that needs to be cleaned up in the worst way, in some ways Kyle is a victim of his own success. Because his teams have been so successful in years past the expectations are sky high which makes being 5-7 look like an utter disaster. Even with that they have only soundly lost 2 games (the last 2 games @ Green Bay and @ Buffalo.) The other losses where very winnable games and most were outright choked away. Which again, a lot of that is attributed to coaching.

In my opinion, Kyle has absolutely earned the right to survive a down season. Still with that there does need to be sweeping changes made. Starting with cleaning the rest of the coaching ranks save for Bobby Turner and Kris Kocurek. Everybody else needs to go bye bye, and an outside DC needs to be brought in and ST needs to be completely turned over in every way. Kyle himself needs to adapt his overall scheme to not only adjust to how DC's have changed the way they defend SF but also needs to find a way to stay 1 step ahead of them. So he has a lot of engineering to do this winter/spring.

I wouldn't mind if Kyle hired a passing game coordinator like he had in Mike McDaniel. Or an offensive minded assistant head coach ala Anthony Lynn. A second voice in the offensive game planning. As for defensive coordinator and special teams coach bye bye. Need new faces and schemes.

[Jikkle]

This team needs massive changes so I'm all in for losing out in embarrassing fashion.

I'm not on the fire Kyle wagon.

While a LOT of problems this season boil down to coaching, and that needs to be cleaned up in the worst way, in some ways Kyle is a victim of his own success. Because his teams have been so successful in years past the expectations are sky high which makes being 5-7 look like an utter disaster. Even with that they have only soundly lost 2 games (the last 2 games @ Green Bay and @ Buffalo.) The other losses where very winnable games and most were outright choked away. Which again, a lot of that is attributed to coaching.

In my opinion, Kyle has absolutely earned the right to survive a down season. Still with that there does need to be sweeping changes made. Starting with cleaning the rest of the coaching ranks save for Bobby Turner and Kris Kocurek. Everybody else needs to go bye bye, and an outside DC needs to be brought in and ST needs to be completely turned over in every way. Kyle himself needs to adapt his overall scheme to not only adjust to how DC's have changed the way they defend SF but also needs to find a way to stay 1 step ahead of them. So he has a lot of engineering to do this winter/spring.

I'm not in the fire Kyle camp yet but he should be on the hot seat going into 2025.

I want them to lose out and look bad in the process because the worst thing going into offseason IMO is Kyle being stubborn and believing this year was just bad luck due to injuries and the team needs to clean up it's execution, getting a new ST coach, and calling it a day.

Losing badly at least might force him to look into performing a deeper autopsy on the team and maybe make bigger needed changes.

Offensively it's obvious the scheme needs a refresh. The offense isn't just a Shanahan specific issue but off hand I think everyone that's part of that Shanahan ecosystem is having a down year so defenses have adjusted to the offense as a whole. Shanahan really needs to get into the lab and evolve the offense more specifically the passing attack.

The other element for offense is they really need to retool the roster. A lot of times the playcall is fine but the execution isn't and often time big plays are there but fail because the offensive line failed in their blocking. We also need to shift the WR corps from guys that just there to get schemed open to get YAC to more traditional WRs that can win routes and beat DBs.

Defensively I'm still pounding the table for a new scheme. I just think the likely outcome is we're going to end up with Jeff Ulbrich which would be an improvement over Sorenson at least but I still think the scheme has core issues to where it doesn't matter who we hire. Not to mention it's another line that needs an overhaul.

[Pattersonca65]

This team needs massive changes so I'm all in for losing out in embarrassing fashion.

I'm not on the fire Kyle wagon.

While a LOT of problems this season boil down to coaching, and that needs to be cleaned up in the worst way, in some ways Kyle is a victim of his own success. Because his teams have been so successful in years past the expectations are sky high which makes being 5-7 look like an utter disaster. Even with that they have only soundly lost 2 games (the last 2 games @ Green Bay and @ Buffalo.) The other losses where very winnable games and most were outright choked away. Which again, a lot of that is attributed to coaching.

In my opinion, Kyle has absolutely earned the right to survive a down season. Still with that there does need to be sweeping changes made. Starting with cleaning the rest of the coaching ranks save for Bobby Turner and Kris Kocurek. Everybody else needs to go bye bye, and an outside DC needs to be brought in and ST needs to be completely turned over in every way. Kyle himself needs to adapt his overall scheme to not only adjust to how DC's have changed the way they defend SF but also needs to find a way to stay 1 step ahead of them. So he has a lot of engineering to do this winter/spring.

I'm not in the fire Kyle camp yet but he should be on the hot seat going into 2025.

I want them to lose out and look bad in the process because the worst thing going into offseason IMO is Kyle being stubborn and believing this year was just bad luck due to injuries and the team needs to clean up it's execution, getting a new ST coach, and calling it a day.

Losing badly at least might force him to look into performing a deeper autopsy on the team and maybe make bigger needed changes.

Offensively it's obvious the scheme needs a refresh. The offense isn't just a Shanahan specific issue but off hand I think everyone that's part of that Shanahan ecosystem is having a down year so defenses have adjusted to the offense as a whole. Shanahan really needs to get into the lab and evolve the offense more specifically the passing attack.

The other element for offense is they really need to retool the roster. A lot of times the playcall is fine but the execution isn't and often time big plays are there but fail because the offensive line failed in their blocking. We also need to shift the WR corps from guys that just there to get schemed open to get YAC to more traditional WRs that can win routes and beat DBs.

Defensively I'm still pounding the table for a new scheme. I just think the likely outcome is we're going to end up with Jeff Ulbrich which would be an improvement over Sorenson at least but I still think the scheme has core issues to where it doesn't matter who we hire. Not to mention it's another line that needs an overhaul.

100%

[clyde21]

WHY TAKE OUT MASON

Seemed like the play called worked, LB punched it out I think

Mason has a 7.6 average right now and Kyle decides to give it to the FB. Disgusting

Kyle has smartest man in the room syndrome and it's his biggest enemy

[Jikkle]

I didn't have a problem with the FB call.

Juice doesn't fumble he either scores or he's down at the 1. We only question the call because Juice ended up fumbling.

Calls I did have a problem with are having a slow developing draw play or it being 2nd and 10 and having an empty set when we should have an RB in the backfield to at least sell the defense we might run the ball.

Overall I just had a problem with the gameplan that didn't seem to adjust much to the game conditions. Obviously there were some adjustments but compared to the Bills who just lined up in Jumbo and ran the ball while having conservative pass plays it seemed like offensively they called a better gameplan for the weather. Felt like Kyle stuck to his gameplan he had already but just scratched off a few pass plays.

[clyde21]

looking back at last night's game, we were getting some absolutely monster holes in the middle. we were getting 6 or 7 yards a pop with either CMC or Mason. just absurd that we just couldn't take advantage.

[Samurai]

looking back at last night's game, we were getting some absolutely monster holes in the middle. we were getting 6 or 7 yards a pop with either CMC or Mason. just absurd that we just couldn't take advantage.

We used to win games when we were averaging nearly 6 yards/rush, but that was before our defense would give up 35 points. Can't run the ball when you fall too far behind, and our defense is clearly not what they used to be.

[zman1]

looking back at last night's game, we were getting some absolutely monster holes in the middle. we were getting 6 or 7 yards a pop with either CMC or Mason. just absurd that we just couldn't take advantage.

Yeah, it seemed like the replacement linemen did a good job. Hard to judge in the snow i guess but maybe there's some hope there.

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