2021 49ers offseason

thesack12 · Post #321 » by **thesack12** » Fri Mar 26, 2021 7:43 pm

Well, now I think its pretty safe to say that 9ers won't be going D-Line in the 1st for only the 2nd time in the last 7 years.

RIPskaterdude · Post #322 » by **RIPskaterdude** » Fri Mar 26, 2021 7:46 pm

thesack12 wrote:Man, I hope 9ers will be legit challenging for Lombardis the next couple of seasons. I mean obviously, like any other time, but more so now. Its kind of disappointing when you don't have a 1st round pick to look forward to/speculate and discuss about.

This could blow up huge in their faces. We don't have to look far to find an example of that, as Houston traded their '21 first during 2020 for Laremy Tunsil. They ended up having a dreadful season, and winded up giving Miami the #3 overall pick that 9ers just traded for.

We can't keep Jimmy on the team next season. We have expensive extensions coming in Warner, LT and Bosa. There wasn't going to be a QB at 12 that could start next season

GS Warriors 1 · Post #323 » by **GS Warriors 1** » Fri Mar 26, 2021 7:54 pm

The Tunsil trade was done just before 2019 season. It was a 2020 and 2021 #1 that Houston gave up.

thesack12 · Post #324 » by **thesack12** » Fri Mar 26, 2021 7:54 pm

RIPskaterdude wrote:
thesack12 wrote:Man, I hope 9ers will be legit challenging for Lombardis the next couple of seasons. I mean obviously, like any other time, but more so now. Its kind of disappointing when you don't have a 1st round pick to look forward to/speculate and discuss about.

This could blow up huge in their faces. We don't have to look far to find an example of that, as Houston traded their '21 first during 2020 for Laremy Tunsil. They ended up having a dreadful season, and winded up giving Miami the #3 overall pick that 9ers just traded for.
We can't keep Jimmy on the team next season. We have expensive extensions coming in Warner, LT and Bosa. There wasn't going to be a QB at 12 that could start next season

Sure they could have. If Jimmy plays well, and the team goes on another deep playoff run a $27 mil cap hit for your QB is not an insurmountable number. That's not even top 10 QB money.

You don't have extensions for a middle LB and offensive G take priority over keeping your QB for a contending team. Also an extension for Bosa wouldn't go into effect until 2023.

tallglassowater · Post #325 » by **tallglassowater** » Fri Mar 26, 2021 7:55 pm

wco81 wrote:They just better be damn sure the players likely to be available at #3 is someone who's not going to be a bust.

This is a franchise bet, either will making the 49ers very good for the next decade or will be a bust and hamstring them from the lost picks.

I was going to say, Miami could use a QB but that would be an admission that Too was a mistake, just a year after they drafted him. But with #6, they could still get one of the top QB prospects of this draft class.

This is what I was thinking. They have to have at least 2 QB's (assuming they go QB, and Lawrence is going #1) valued this high, because if you don't then you wasted the picks if your guy is taken at 2. Maybe they know something the Jets are doing, or just going all in assuming he will be there? The timing is what throws me off because making a move this early makes me think they have a guy they "know" will be there.

GS Warriors 1 · Post #326 » by **GS Warriors 1** » Fri Mar 26, 2021 8:04 pm

tallglassowater wrote:
wco81 wrote:They just better be damn sure the players likely to be available at #3 is someone who's not going to be a bust.

This is a franchise bet, either will making the 49ers very good for the next decade or will be a bust and hamstring them from the lost picks.

I was going to say, Miami could use a QB but that would be an admission that Too was a mistake, just a year after they drafted him. But with #6, they could still get one of the top QB prospects of this draft class.

This is what I was thinking. They have to have at least 2 QB's (assuming they go QB, and Lawrence is going #1) valued this high, because if you don't then you wasted the picks if your guy is taken at 2. Maybe they know something the Jets are doing, or just going all in assuming he will be there? The timing is what throws me off because making a move this early makes me think they have a guy they "know" will be there.

Jets taking Wilson seems to be a lock. 49ers feel real good about this class to make this move, and I'd agree with it. I'm usually lukewarm about a couple of the top guys, not this year. This is as good of a QB class at the top I've seen in nearly 20 years of keenly following the draft.

thesack12 · Post #327 » by **thesack12** » Fri Mar 26, 2021 8:09 pm

CrimsonCrew wrote:Interesting thought: did Kyle talk to Saleh and know what he was thinking he would do at two? Or can he just anticipate it because he knows Saleh? Might Wilson fall?

Good point.

I almost have to think these kind of discussions took place. If not, its an incredibly risky play to make at this point in time. Not only can the Jets take your guy @ #2, but you also run the risk of some other team moving into #2 and taking your guy out from under you.

CrimsonCrew · Post #328 » by **CrimsonCrew** » Fri Mar 26, 2021 8:14 pm

They couldn't make this move unless Fields, Lance, or (lord help us...) Jones is the guy. Wilson is the prohibitive favorite to go to the Jets second overall. Maybe he doesn't, but you've got to assume he does.

I just can't shake the feeling that it's going to be Jones. It would be such a Shanahan and Lynch move to trade all these picks to go up and get a guy who might be there at 12, and certainly should be there at 8.

thesack12 · Post #329 » by **thesack12** » Fri Mar 26, 2021 8:37 pm

The more I think about it, I have to think that the intention is to redshirt the rookie QB.

As others were referring to earlier in the thread, this is a super bowl caliber roster and the O-line is old. Not only is it a tall task to ask a rookie QB to step in from day 1 and keep the team in contention, that also would put a HUGE amount of pressure on the kids shoulders. Especially with the QB lore of this franchise.

The kid is already going to have a lot of pressure on him to perform, simply because of the move the team made to draft him.

In addition, if you roll out Garoppolo and he struggles nobody will batt an eye if he gets benched for the rookie midseason. However, you can't really go vice versa with that. If you roll with the rookie from day 1 and he struggles, going to Jimmy midseason would ruin the kid's credibility and he's instantly be labeled a bust and damaged goods.

clyde21 · Post #330 » by **clyde21** » Fri Mar 26, 2021 8:46 pm

had to be done, QBs make or break this league. good for Lynch for having balls to do this.

but if he takes Jones at 3 then lol

CrimsonCrew · Post #331 » by **CrimsonCrew** » Fri Mar 26, 2021 9:04 pm

Four years ago, I would have had pretty unshakeable faith that Shanahan would pick the right guy and make it work. After passing on (and not even really scouting, apparently) Watson and Mahomes, trading up for Beathard, and sticking with him and Mullens for three years has shaken my confidence in his eye for QB talent. He's got to hit this time.

thesack12 · Post #332 » by **thesack12** » Fri Mar 26, 2021 9:20 pm

GS Warriors 1 wrote:The Tunsil trade was done just before 2019 season. It was a 2020 and 2021 #1 that Houston gave up.

Miami turned Laremy Tunsil into 4 first round picks + a 3rd. That's unbelievable.

CrimsonCrew · Post #333 » by **CrimsonCrew** » Fri Mar 26, 2021 9:22 pm

thesack12 wrote:
GS Warriors 1 wrote:The Tunsil trade was done just before 2019 season. It was a 2020 and 2021 #1 that Houston gave up.

Miami turned Laremy Tunsil into 4 first round picks + a 3rd. That's unbelievable.

Yeah. Bill O'Brien looked dumb at the time of the trade, but he looks incredibly dumb now.

CrimsonCrew · Post #334 » by **CrimsonCrew** » Fri Mar 26, 2021 9:31 pm

Grant Cohn on what the Niners will do with the #3 pick. As I said above, I have a sinking feeling this is what is going to happen. And I think it's reasonable to think Jones could be effective in Shanahan's offense. It would just be incredibly dumb to trade up to #3 to take him.

https://www.si.com/nfl/49ers/news/who-will-the-49ers-draft-with-the-no-3-pick

clyde21 · Post #335 » by **clyde21** » Fri Mar 26, 2021 9:32 pm

wish we could've just traded for Tua tbh but w/e

clyde21 · Post #336 » by **clyde21** » Fri Mar 26, 2021 9:32 pm

CrimsonCrew wrote:Grant Cohn on what the Niners will do with the #3 pick. As I said above, I have a sinking feeling this is what is going to happen. And I think it's reasonable to think Jones could be effective in Shanahan's offense. It would just be incredibly dumb to trade up to #3 to take him.

https://www.si.com/nfl/49ers/news/who-will-the-49ers-draft-with-the-no-3-pick

Grant Cohn is dumb as hell why yall still listening to him

CrimsonCrew · Post #337 » by **CrimsonCrew** » Fri Mar 26, 2021 9:35 pm

I used to think Grant was pretty dumb (and he was), but he's put in the work over the past several years, and although he still likes his absurd hot takes, and can be incredibly annoying, I think he's worth listening to.

thesack12 · Post #338 » by **thesack12** » Fri Mar 26, 2021 9:39 pm

CrimsonCrew wrote:Grant Cohn on what the Niners will do with the #3 pick. As I said above, I have a sinking feeling this is what is going to happen. And I think it's reasonable to think Jones could be effective in Shanahan's offense. It would just be incredibly dumb to trade up to #3 to take him.

https://www.si.com/nfl/49ers/news/who-will-the-49ers-draft-with-the-no-3-pick

If Wilson won't be there at 3, I'm intrigued with option #4.

I wouldn't be thrilled with the price of a 2nd to move up to #2 with the Jets, but I MUCH prefer moving forward with Wilson over any of the other QB's.

That said, if you're convinced New York won't be taking a QB do you call their bluff and hold firm and wait to grab Wilson at 3? Of course if you do that you risk some other team trading into #2. Still yet, how far down the board are the Jets willing to drop? So that would play a factor as well.

thesack12 · Post #339 » by **thesack12** » Fri Mar 26, 2021 9:40 pm

clyde21 wrote:wish we could've just traded for Tua tbh but w/e

I was actually just about to make a post asking, who would have been down for trading #12 for Tua?

thesack12 · Post #340 » by **thesack12** » Fri Mar 26, 2021 9:49 pm

I can't help but wonder if this move would have been made had they not won that Arizona game in week 16. If so, what would the cost looked like then?

I don't currently know where the tiebreakers would have fell, but if they lost that Zona game, 9ers would have been picking somewhere between 7-10. Of course it would be critical to know exactly what pick they would of had, but I can't help but get my mind spinning on the what ifs. Its now apparent that Miami is good with picking #6. That being the case if 9ers had #7, what would it have cost to move up only 4 spots?

Of course this is all butterfly effect type stuff here, but its an interesting thought that popped into my head.