Week 4: Jaguars @ 49ers

clyde21 · Post #321 » by **clyde21** » Sun Sep 28, 2025 11:19 pm

Harry Palmer wrote:Lawrence isn’t very bright, is he?

Very stupid, but he's got a thick neck

clyde21 · Post #322 » by **clyde21** » Sun Sep 28, 2025 11:21 pm

wco81 wrote:No way they deserved to win this game.

Jags made some dumb decisions to not put it away but they made all the plays.

No running game whatsoever in all 4 games.

4 games now without a rushing TD - first 49ers team ever to do that, considering it's a Kyle Shanahan team it makes it even wilder.

zman1 · Post #323 » by **zman1** » Sun Sep 28, 2025 11:29 pm

clyde21 wrote:
wco81 wrote:No way they deserved to win this game.

Jags made some dumb decisions to not put it away but they made all the plays.

No running game whatsoever in all 4 games.

4 games now without a rushing TD - first 49ers team ever to do that, considering it's a Kyle Shanahan team it makes it even wilder.

Again, put it on the oline.

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thesack12 · Post #324 » by **thesack12** » Sun Sep 28, 2025 11:30 pm

We knew they would struggle to rush the passer without Bosa, but my god there was a complete void in that department. 0 sacks on Lawrence. We'll see how many pressures he faced, but watching it live it sure seemed like he wasn't under duress very often. Worse yet, I think their RT left the game before halftime, which didn't really make any difference.

Of course that is certainly not the story of this game, as that honor goes to Brock and special teams. Despite a rough start, the defense settled in and played a great 2nd half. However, lack of a pass rush is going to be a common theme moving forward. There will be better/smarter QB's than Lawrence and better groups of opposing skill position players than what Jacksonville has.

Post #325 » by **Harry Palmer** » Sun Sep 28, 2025 11:31 pm

Imo CMC just doesn’t look special anymore. He used to make at least one Wow! play a game; haven’t seen a single one yet this season that I can remember. Hopefully this is still recovery.

Edit: I know the run blocking has been bad, not talking just about his pedestrian rushing numbers, I mean his play generally. But while we’re talking OL, looks like Father Time has caught Trent. Feels like a weird 3-1 rebuilding year.

thesack12 · Post #326 » by **thesack12** » Sun Sep 28, 2025 11:38 pm

Harry Palmer wrote:Imo CMC just doesn’t look special anymore. He used to make at least one Wow! play a game; haven’t seen a single one yet this season that I can remember. Hopefully this is still recovery.

CMC looked spry on the long screen play, and made at least one guy miss and pushed another guy into the end zone on the shovel pass TD.

If he has some space to work with, CMC is still special. The problem is, he's not getting any space to work with. Especially in the run game. Run game has been a total liability all season. OL's run blocking grade is firmly bottom of the barrel. It also doesn't help that the current group of "weapons" isn't going to threaten anybody. Also, have to consider that 1/2 of the games SF has using QB2, which is even more reason for defenses to sell out against the run.

I think Christian is fine, he's just not getting any help. He can only do so much constantly lining up opposite of 8/9 man boxes.

wco81 · Post #327 » by **wco81** » Sun Sep 28, 2025 11:42 pm

That drive where they turned it over on downs, first on 3rd down, pitched it to CMC for loss or no gain.

Then 4th down a intermediate post route off the fingertips of Robinson.

Bad play calling.

In retrospect, a FG there would have helped.

CharityStripe34 · Post #328 » by **CharityStripe34** » Sun Sep 28, 2025 11:45 pm

Eh the 3-0 was fools gold. Injuries, inconsistencies and some crappy coaching. I think this regime has run it's course a bit.

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CrimsonCrew · Post #329 » by **CrimsonCrew** » Sun Sep 28, 2025 11:48 pm

thesack12 wrote:We knew they would struggle to rush the passer without Bosa, but my god there was a complete void in that department. 0 sacks on Lawrence. We'll see how many pressures he faced, but watching it live it sure seemed like he wasn't under duress very often. Worse yet, I think their RT left the game before halftime, which didn't really make any difference.

Of course that is certainly not the story of this game, as that honor goes to Brock and special teams. Despite a rough start, the defense settled in and played a great 2nd half. However, lack of a pass rush is going to be a common theme moving forward. There will be better/smarter QB's than Lawrence and better groups of opposing skill position players than what Jacksonville has.

What I found even more frustrating was that anytime we got even a hint of pressure, he just seemed to collapse. That will absolutely not happen with Stafford on Thursday. He will sit back there and carve us up.

wco81 · Post #330 » by **wco81** » Mon Sep 29, 2025 12:18 am

CharityStripe34 wrote:Eh the 3-0 was fools gold. Injuries, inconsistencies and some crappy coaching. I think this regime has run it's course a bit.

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I don't want to get into it in this thread but I called it several times over the years. 49ers are not going to win a Super Bowl under this leadership, the football side.

What could help is the easy schedule leads to the team winning the division but even after that, there are at least a half dozen teams better than this roster.

And even when they supposedly had the best roster in the league, Kyle's game management was going to hold the team back, as we saw in the last Super Bowl.

CrimsonCrew · Post #331 » by **CrimsonCrew** » Mon Sep 29, 2025 12:36 am

CharityStripe34 wrote:Eh the 3-0 was fools gold. Injuries, inconsistencies and some crappy coaching. I think this regime has run it's course a bit.

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No doubt they missed a couple golden opportunities to win it all. But they came a lot closer than most. Given that we've been without Bosa, Kittle, and Purdy for multiple games, we're pretty lucky to be 3-1. And frankly a lot of that credit has to go to coaching.

D has been surprisingly effective. Offense hasn't, but it's hard to fault Kyle that much. He can't catch the ball for our guys. He can't block in the run game. Given that our biggest struggles on offense have been at interior OL and receiver, I can't even fault the personnel side all that much. They have addressed those positions.

This game was a problem with execution and momentum. Something bad happened, and they capitalized to make something worse happen (for us). We fumble, they have a long touchdown on the next play. We drop a crucial third down pass, they run the punt back on the next play. Take those two plays away, even with all the turnovers, and we almost certainly win this game.

arich35 · Post #332 » by **arich35** » Mon Sep 29, 2025 12:41 am

How can every ST guy we bring in suck?

wco81 · Post #333 » by **wco81** » Mon Sep 29, 2025 12:42 am

Jags have been creating turnovers in their games. The fumble by Farrell was punched out and there was another fumble by CMC that was punched out but which he recovered.

Players are going to try to fight for extra yards but when a team has been proficient at creating turnovers, they should have been made aware and prepared to protect the ball, not fight for yards in swarms of defenders.

CrimsonCrew · Post #334 » by **CrimsonCrew** » Mon Sep 29, 2025 12:44 am

wco81 wrote:
CharityStripe34 wrote:Eh the 3-0 was fools gold. Injuries, inconsistencies and some crappy coaching. I think this regime has run it's course a bit.

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I don't want to get into it in this thread but I called it several times over the years. 49ers are not going to win a Super Bowl under this leadership, the football side.

What could help is the easy schedule leads to the team winning the division but even after that, there are at least a half dozen teams better than this roster.

And even when they supposedly had the best roster in the league, Kyle's game management was going to hold the team back, as we saw in the last Super Bowl.

Kyle has made plenty of mistakes, in terms of personnel and in terms of coaching. But if we had gotten Patrick Mahomes to the ground on 4th down in overtime, we win a super bowl. That particular game almost certainly would have gone our way if any one of five or six plays goes a different way. Or if we didn't lose Greenlaw to a freak injury.

Only six coaches have won a title since Kyle started here, three of whom no longer coach in the league.

thesack12 · Post #335 » by **thesack12** » Mon Sep 29, 2025 1:09 am

arich35 wrote:How can every ST guy we bring in suck?

If I'm a special teams coordinator for a team going into prep leading up to a game against San Francisco, I have a very simple message: "Attack, attack, attack."

SF's coverage units are laughably bad. They are giving up the worst starting field position in the league by a country mile. They finally gave up a return TD today, but were dangerously close to giving up one a handful of other times this season. (including at least 1 more today.)

If I'm an opposing team, I'm telling my returners to attempt it every time. I'm never calling for a fair catch (if the punt is landing inside the 7 or so I'm just letting it go.) Unless they leave me no choice by kicking it thru the end zone, I'm returning every kickoff.

On the flip side, why in the hell is SF not telling Pineiro to kick it deep every time? While letting the other team start at the 35 every time isn't ideal, its surely better than being susceptible to allowing explosive returns on a regular basis. Honestly, at this point I would consider having Morestead regularly punt it out of bounds.

thesack12 · Post #336 » by **thesack12** » Mon Sep 29, 2025 1:32 am

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At the moment, at absolute best we should consider Ricky questionable going into a short week game. Him saying "instability" makes you worry it might be fairly serious.

I wouldn't be shocked if Jennings is iffy as well. He's been banged up all season, and took further punishment today.

A starting WR duo of Robinson/Bourne is real possibility. The Robinson/Bourne/MVS/Moore/Tonges/Farrell collection of receivers will surely help soften the fronts that are stagnating the run game.

Severely watered down offense + pop warner caliber special teams + lack of viable pass rush = a potentially very ugly Thursday night.

clyde21 · Post #337 » by **clyde21** » Mon Sep 29, 2025 2:29 am

arich35 wrote:How can every ST guy we bring in suck?

Starts with the HC - he doesn't take STs seriously so we'll never have a serious ST

thesack12 · Post #338 » by **thesack12** » Mon Sep 29, 2025 2:54 am

thesack12 wrote:We knew they would struggle to rush the passer without Bosa, but my god there was a complete void in that department. 0 sacks on Lawrence. We'll see how many pressures he faced, but watching it live it sure seemed like he wasn't under duress very often. Worse yet, I think their RT left the game before halftime, which didn't really make any difference.

Of course that is certainly not the story of this game, as that honor goes to Brock and special teams. Despite a rough start, the defense settled in and played a great 2nd half. However, lack of a pass rush is going to be a common theme moving forward. There will be better/smarter QB's than Lawrence and better groups of opposing skill position players than what Jacksonville has.

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Yikes, a 13% pressure rate?

I expect that we will see consistent < 35% pressure rates (which is about average), but sub 15% pressure rates sure as hell isn't going to cut it.

Sadly, there really isn't any help waiting in the wings. Mustapha is really the only notable defensive player that we are waiting on to walk through the door. While he should help the defense overall, he's not going to do a whole lot to improve the pass rush.

zman1 · Post #339 » by **zman1** » Mon Sep 29, 2025 2:59 am

clyde21 wrote:
arich35 wrote:How can every ST guy we bring in suck?

Starts with the HC - he doesn't take STs seriously so we'll never have a serious ST

If I am the owner I calling in Lynch and Shanahan tonight and this special teams problems have to get fixed NOW. Tell them they have a week to come up with solutions. Meanwhile get a consultant or three to come up with ideas also. Fundamentally, they just don't place sufficient emphasis on the ST. You cannot win a superbowl with this going on. Unacceptable.

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zman1 · Post #340 » by **zman1** » Mon Sep 29, 2025 3:00 am

thesack12 wrote:
thesack12 wrote:We knew they would struggle to rush the passer without Bosa, but my god there was a complete void in that department. 0 sacks on Lawrence. We'll see how many pressures he faced, but watching it live it sure seemed like he wasn't under duress very often. Worse yet, I think their RT left the game before halftime, which didn't really make any difference.

Of course that is certainly not the story of this game, as that honor goes to Brock and special teams. Despite a rough start, the defense settled in and played a great 2nd half. However, lack of a pass rush is going to be a common theme moving forward. There will be better/smarter QB's than Lawrence and better groups of opposing skill position players than what Jacksonville has.

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Yikes, a 13% pressure rate?

I expect that we will see consistent < 35% pressure rates (which is about average), but sub 15% pressure rates sure as hell isn't going to cut it.

Sadly, there really isn't any help waiting in the wings. Mustapha is really the only notable defensive player that we are waiting on to walk through the door. While he should help the defense overall, he's not going to do a whole lot to improve the pass rush.

No sacks, no hits. Trade coming?

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