The Trey Lance thread

[Pattersonca65]

Lance had a good day. The deep throw was nice. He was a bit inaccurate on the sideline throws. High and timing off.

[wco81]

My guess is teams will load up and try to bring pressure often until Lance shows he can beat such defenses.

If nothing else they will try to speed him up, to break up whatever rhythm he's learning now.

[Jikkle]

My guess is teams will load up and try to bring pressure often until Lance shows he can beat such defenses.

If nothing else they will try to speed him up, to break up whatever rhythm he's learning now.

With 3 1st time starters composing the interior of the offensive line you're going to want to put pressure on that group with stunts and exotic stuff to see if they can pick it up and pressure up the middle is usually a death sentence for a QB no matter how mobile they are.

If you can get pressure up the middle to negate Lance's scrambling and not give him time to throw anything medium to deep while shutting down the run you'll probably win the game.

Defensively you'll still have to focus on the run because if you allow the 9ers offense to get into 3rd and 5 or less you're going to be in a lot of trouble because Lance will have the option to throw it if he likes it to convert or just pick up the yards with his legs.

But you'll also have to get pressure on him because Shanahan will start to dial up the deeper throws to punish if you focus too hard on the run and if he has time he'll hit them enough times to make it hurt.

I mean that's ultimately why I believe Shanahan landed on Lance over Jones. I'm sure Shanahan loved Jones's accuracy and intelligence but Jones really didn't make the running game better whereas Lance with his legs and ability to throw deep does make the running game better.

[Jikkle]

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Pretty consistent with other reports I've read/heard that he does much better with the stuff that resembles actual game situations than the scripted drill type of stuff.

What you could be seeing as the tweet says is Shanahan is pushing limits to see what Lance can and can't do so he can build his playbook around it. You'd want him to take riskier low percentage throws in practice where it doesn't count rather than in games where it does.

[Bingo_AlphaMan]

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[Bingo_AlphaMan]

49ers Rumors: Trey Lance 'Was a Little Annoyed' by Jimmy Garoppolo's New Contract

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10047738-49ers-rumors-trey-lance-was-a-little-annoyed-by-jimmy-garoppolos-new-contract

[Jikkle]

49ers Rumors: Trey Lance 'Was a Little Annoyed' by Jimmy Garoppolo's New Contract

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10047738-49ers-rumors-trey-lance-was-a-little-annoyed-by-jimmy-garoppolos-new-contract

https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/160687-albert-breer-clarifies-comment-little-annoyed-garoppolos-return/

I don't think Lance's reaction was unnatural as it does feel like marrying your spouse but their ex is still renting out a room in the house. But I don't see it being an issue and if Lance doesn't want it to be an issue then play well enough that Jimmy isn't even a thought in anybody's minds.

[wco81]

So first game as QB1, he hit some nice passes outside the hashes, though if he led Jennings more, may have been an even bigger gain.

But once the team fell behind he was staring down WRs, especially on that interception where the safety tracked his eyes.

He showed some signs of good pocket presence detecting pressure, stepping up for a nice completion but also bailed out of the pocket often and ran, rather than trying to extend plays for big gains off broken plays.

I think he's been coached to check down or run for as much gains as he can.

He didn't slide once and along with some designed runs, took some hits.

Overall though, he was kept on a tight leash, as Shanahan tried to move the ball just by running too much and keeping the Bears in the game.

[Jikkle]

So first game as QB1, he hit some nice passes outside the hashes, though if he led Jennings more, may have been an even bigger gain.

But once the team fell behind he was staring down WRs, especially on that interception where the safety tracked his eyes.

He showed some signs of good pocket presence detecting pressure, stepping up for a nice completion but also bailed out of the pocket often and ran, rather than trying to extend plays for big gains off broken plays.

I think he's been coached to check down or run for as much gains as he can.

He didn't slide once and along with some designed runs, took some hits.

Overall though, he was kept on a tight leash, as Shanahan tried to move the ball just by running too much and keeping the Bears in the game.

I didn't think he had a bad game and I wouldn't say he was the reason we lost or anything. I'd just give him a grade of incomplete because clearly the weather conditions had an impact on offense today so I just don't think there is a ton to gain analyzing either QB.

I mean it'd be one thing if Fields was throwing a party out there in the same conditions but he really did very little in terms of passing. He basically hit two wide-open guys for TDs and that's about it and we'd probably be celebrating a win if penalties didn't keep both of those drives alive.

I just felt Trey was within the realm of expectations. He's a young 1st-time starter that was already on the raw unrefined side so it's just not going to be this mastercraft of QBing this season. He had his moments of good and moments of you still got more to learn kid.

Where I'm encouraged is the moments when the weather wasn't so bad he was pretty accurate. The ball was pretty much right where you wanted it too be. You don't love the INT but it's also something you expect to be less and less of an issue with experience. At least you hope because Jimmy G still throws that INT to this day so it's not a guarantee or anything.

It's just amusing to see the fan reaction with this one as you already have people saying he's a bust and he sucks. He might be a bust but is this really the game that you'd use to confirm that? Because Wentz and Jimmy G played so well in that monsoon last season and Jimmy G and Case Keenum just tore up in 2019 during that monsoon as well?

[wco81]

Look, maybe it's not fair to expect him to play like Mahomes or Herbert but those guys hit big as young players.

One thing is, teams are more aggressive with them, opening up the passing game.

I'm seeing Herbert in the first half of today's game and they're throwing downfield, not handing it off to a WR or a supposed WR, not throwing 2 yard passes.



Maybe ultimately Trey isn't in their class. But for what they gave up to get him, they can't play him like they did Jimmy, like a game manager.


Weather may be an excuse but 10 points is pathetic.

Part of the problem is, running Deebo has become a crutch and they're paying over $20 million or whatever it is Deebo got to mostly run him. He has NOT developed as a downfield WR. They really would have been better off drafting AJ Brown.

So Trey doesn't have enough weapons. It doesn't help that Kittle was injured but we've seen tons of games where they keep Kittle into block or throw 2-yard passes to him and hope he runs through tacklers.


I put the blame more on Kyle, not on Trey. He either made the wrong choice to draft him or he can't develop him and a downfield passing game.

Kyle has this amazing rep for play design but I just see guys like Reid just going for it, look at the way he uses Kelce vs. the way Shanahan uses Kittle. And whoever is the Chargers play caller, they are giving Herbert as much as he can handle and he's producing.

Again Trey may never be that kind of player, in which case it was a mistake to give up all those assets for him or Shanahan can't coach him up or develop the kind of passing offense that you need to be a championship team in this era of passing game in the NFL.

[Bingo_AlphaMan]

So first game as QB1, he hit some nice passes outside the hashes, though if he led Jennings more, may have been an even bigger gain.

But once the team fell behind he was staring down WRs, especially on that interception where the safety tracked his eyes.

He showed some signs of good pocket presence detecting pressure, stepping up for a nice completion but also bailed out of the pocket often and ran, rather than trying to extend plays for big gains off broken plays.

I think he's been coached to check down or run for as much gains as he can.

He didn't slide once and along with some designed runs, took some hits.

Overall though, he was kept on a tight leash, as Shanahan tried to move the ball just by running too much and keeping the Bears in the game.

I didn't think he had a bad game and I wouldn't say he was the reason we lost or anything. I'd just give him a grade of incomplete because clearly the weather conditions had an impact on offense today so I just don't think there is a ton to gain analyzing either QB

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I mean it'd be one thing if Fields was throwing a party out there in the same conditions but he really did very little in terms of passing. He basically hit two wide-open guys for TDs and that's about it and we'd probably be celebrating a win if penalties didn't keep both of those drives alive.

I just felt Trey was within the realm of expectations. He's a young 1st-time starter that was already on the raw unrefined side so it's just not going to be this mastercraft of QBing this season. He had his moments of good and moments of you still got more to learn kid.

Where I'm encouraged is the moments when the weather wasn't so bad he was pretty accurate. The ball was pretty much right where you wanted it too be. You don't love the INT but it's also something you expect to be less and less of an issue with experience. At least you hope because Jimmy G still throws that INT to this day so it's not a guarantee or anything.

It's just amusing to see the fan reaction with this one as you already have people saying he's a bust and he sucks. He might be a bust but is this really the game that you'd use to confirm that? Because Wentz and Jimmy G played so well in that monsoon last season and Jimmy G and Case Keenum just tore up in 2019 during that monsoon as well?

Well said. I still think we should have drafted Justin Fields #3 overall.

[Dodub]

So first game as QB1, he hit some nice passes outside the hashes, though if he led Jennings more, may have been an even bigger gain.

But once the team fell behind he was staring down WRs, especially on that interception where the safety tracked his eyes.

He showed some signs of good pocket presence detecting pressure, stepping up for a nice completion but also bailed out of the pocket often and ran, rather than trying to extend plays for big gains off broken plays.

I think he's been coached to check down or run for as much gains as he can.

He didn't slide once and along with some designed runs, took some hits.

Overall though, he was kept on a tight leash, as Shanahan tried to move the ball just by running too much and keeping the Bears in the game.

I didn't think he had a bad game and I wouldn't say he was the reason we lost or anything. I'd just give him a grade of incomplete because clearly the weather conditions had an impact on offense today so I just don't think there is a ton to gain analyzing either QB

.

I mean it'd be one thing if Fields was throwing a party out there in the same conditions but he really did very little in terms of passing. He basically hit two wide-open guys for TDs and that's about it and we'd probably be celebrating a win if penalties didn't keep both of those drives alive.

I just felt Trey was within the realm of expectations. He's a young 1st-time starter that was already on the raw unrefined side so it's just not going to be this mastercraft of QBing this season. He had his moments of good and moments of you still got more to learn kid.

Where I'm encouraged is the moments when the weather wasn't so bad he was pretty accurate. The ball was pretty much right where you wanted it too be. You don't love the INT but it's also something you expect to be less and less of an issue with experience. At least you hope because Jimmy G still throws that INT to this day so it's not a guarantee or anything.

It's just amusing to see the fan reaction with this one as you already have people saying he's a bust and he sucks. He might be a bust but is this really the game that you'd use to confirm that? Because Wentz and Jimmy G played so well in that monsoon last season and Jimmy G and Case Keenum just tore up in 2019 during that monsoon as well?

Well said. I still think we should have drafted Justin Fields #3 overall.

Fields is crap from the pocket. Without those two plays to wide open guys, his day was absolutely abysmal. It had more to do with our ineptitude than his greatness

[Jikkle]

Look, maybe it's not fair to expect him to play like Mahomes or Herbert but those guys hit big as young players.

One thing is, teams are more aggressive with them, opening up the passing game.

I'm seeing Herbert in the first half of today's game and they're throwing downfield, not handing it off to a WR or a supposed WR, not throwing 2 yard passes.



Maybe ultimately Trey isn't in their class. But for what they gave up to get him, they can't play him like they did Jimmy, like a game manager.


Weather may be an excuse but 10 points is pathetic.

Part of the problem is, running Deebo has become a crutch and they're paying over $20 million or whatever it is Deebo got to mostly run him. He has NOT developed as a downfield WR. They really would have been better off drafting AJ Brown.

So Trey doesn't have enough weapons. It doesn't help that Kittle was injured but we've seen tons of games where they keep Kittle into block or throw 2-yard passes to him and hope he runs through tacklers.


I put the blame more on Kyle, not on Trey. He either made the wrong choice to draft him or he can't develop him and a downfield passing game.

Kyle has this amazing rep for play design but I just see guys like Reid just going for it, look at the way he uses Kelce vs. the way Shanahan uses Kittle. And whoever is the Chargers play caller, they are giving Herbert as much as he can handle and he's producing.

Again Trey may never be that kind of player, in which case it was a mistake to give up all those assets for him or Shanahan can't coach him up or develop the kind of passing offense that you need to be a championship team in this era of passing game in the NFL.

Shanahan is great when it comes to play design and play calling but his approach when it comes to managing everything is conservative and that's probably where Mike Shanahan's influence comes in because that's what Kyle grew up around.

The Falcons offense was pretty explosive in 2016 so I don't think it's a matter of if Shanahan can put together and have an explosive offense it's just because he is conservative he's going to slowly build up to that.

It's just too soon to really have any sorta judgement on Lance as some guys are Mahomes and Herbert and some guys are Josh Allen and Lance's path mirrors Allen more than anybody else so he's not likely to explode and have a monster year this season. And that's fine because we want him to be the guy for the next 15+ years not just this year and if you knew for a fact that he would eventually be on Josh Allen's level nobody would mind if he had to develop this year and next or how much we gave up for him.

[Jikkle]

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I mean it'd be one thing if Fields was throwing a party out there in the same conditions but he really did very little in terms of passing. He basically hit two wide-open guys for TDs and that's about it and we'd probably be celebrating a win if penalties didn't keep both of those drives alive.

I just felt Trey was within the realm of expectations. He's a young 1st-time starter that was already on the raw unrefined side so it's just not going to be this mastercraft of QBing this season. He had his moments of good and moments of you still got more to learn kid.

Where I'm encouraged is the moments when the weather wasn't so bad he was pretty accurate. The ball was pretty much right where you wanted it too be. You don't love the INT but it's also something you expect to be less and less of an issue with experience. At least you hope because Jimmy G still throws that INT to this day so it's not a guarantee or anything.

It's just amusing to see the fan reaction with this one as you already have people saying he's a bust and he sucks. He might be a bust but is this really the game that you'd use to confirm that? Because Wentz and Jimmy G played so well in that monsoon last season and Jimmy G and Case Keenum just tore up in 2019 during that monsoon as well?

Well said. I still think we should have drafted Justin Fields #3 overall.

Fields is crap from the pocket. Without those two plays to wide open guys, his day was absolutely abysmal. It had more to do with our ineptitude than his greatness

I'm on team Lance but it's hard to really critique Fields too hard since he has absolutely nothing on offense to work with. I mean that's part of the reason this loss is so frustrating because the defense pretty much had the Bear's offense dead until they let them off the hook with bad penalities to extend drives and give them yardage.

[Jikkle]

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I posted it in another thread but I'll post it here too since it relates to Lance. I knew the offensive line blocking wasn't great but it's worse than I thought because most of that pressure was from the middle which gives Lance 0 chance to really do anything.

[Pattersonca65]

Defense was dominant in the first half. The offense cost the team the win. An all around bad game. The offensive line did not play well. Neither did Lance. He had a several nice deep balls but his short and intermediate game was not good. Too early to make any general impressions about Lance but he has to get better. This wasn't the Bills we lost to yesterday. It was the Bears.

[Bingo_AlphaMan]

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[Bingo_AlphaMan]

Bears' Jaylon Johnson Rips 49ers' Trey Lance: 'He Ain't Do S--t, We Made Him Play QB'

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10048726-bears-jaylon-johnson-rips-49ers-trey-lance-he-aint-do-s--t-we-made-him-play-qb

[CrimsonCrew]

Re: Lance vs. Fields, I will say that Fields showed what he showed a number of times in adverse circumstances in college. Even when his offense was completely shut down and he was personally struggling, he kept fighting and found a way to gut it out. Basically textbook what he did in this game.

Trey may have more upside because he is probably a bit further along in terms of playing from the pocket, but until he can prove that he can hit open guys from the pocket, I'll still favor Fields. And Fields has shown infinitely more ability to freelance in his college and professional career.

[wco81]

That's probably why Kyle chose Lance, because he doesn't want QBs to freelance his plays.

He wants them run as designed.

And Kyle is probably expecting the QB to hit the first read on like 80% of the plays.

But Lance was prone to bail out early and run. Then when they fell behind he started staring down WRs

Aiyuk started out well with at least one play action to a deep cross pattern. But after the first half, I didn't see Aiyuk targeted. Maybe the Bears took him away as the main downfield threat and gave single coverage to Jennings and Deebo though Deebo isn't going downfield much.