Week 11: Seahawks @ 49ers

[wco81]

Well I've advocated for moving on from Kyle a couple of years ago -- the dedicated thread.

Like I said, we've already seen the ceiling for this team with him in charge.

Too many squandered draft picks, can't game manage in the biggest games.

But now may not be the best time to reset and rebuild since there are so many expensive contracts.

For sure, he can't be in charge of the rebuild. He got the tea to a fairly high level but just not high enough as everyone wanted.

[clyde21]

Johnson

It really doesn’t matter, his formula is a proven loser. We need to try something different

lol

You might be good with being almost good enough, but I’m tired of it.

down years happen, get a grip.

doesn't mean Kyle shouldn't take some plane and should make some changes, but 100% the dude you're hiring after Kyle isn't going to be as good as Kyle.

[zman1]

The team doesn't get to the SB without Kyle, but at the same time, they probably win one without him

Without Mahomes we probably win two. Ask the NBA about MJ.

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[thesack12]

Well I've advocated for moving on from Kyle a couple of years ago -- the dedicated thread.

Like I said, we've already seen the ceiling for this team with him in charge.

Too many squandered draft picks, can't game manage in the biggest games.

But now may not be the best time to reset and rebuild since there are so many expensive contracts.

For sure, he can't be in charge of the rebuild. He got the tea to a fairly high level but just not high enough as everyone wanted.

"fairly high level?"

You realize there is only 1 level he hasn't reached right? And holding a lead in OT of the super bowl, means he got as close as possible to getting there, without actually grabbing it.

Also, apparently you are forgetting the state of the team pre-Kyle. Kyle inherited a 2-14 team with literally nothing at QB. He took that team to the Super Bowl in year 3. So yeah, I'm really failing to see why you think Kyle can't spearhead a rebuild.

[arich35]

the offense just seems so vanilla right now. Everyone has caught on, Kyle can't do anything different, offensive line is mediocre, we shoot ourselves in the foot over and over again

[RIPskaterdude]

Mason had 2 carries all game. Deebo had 22 yards receiving.

[TheMonarch]

Mason had 2 carries all game. Deebo had 22 yards receiving.

I get that CMC is great, but get Mason the damn ball. They need to have CMC line up as a WR with Mason in the back field on some plays. Get CMC going in motion and at least try to confuse the defense

[wco81]

Well I've advocated for moving on from Kyle a couple of years ago -- the dedicated thread.

Like I said, we've already seen the ceiling for this team with him in charge.

Too many squandered draft picks, can't game manage in the biggest games.

But now may not be the best time to reset and rebuild since there are so many expensive contracts.

For sure, he can't be in charge of the rebuild. He got the tea to a fairly high level but just not high enough as everyone wanted.

"fairly high level?"

You realize there is only 1 level he hasn't reached right? And holding a lead in OT of the super bowl, means he got as close as possible to getting there, without actually grabbing it.

Also, apparently you are forgetting the state of the team pre-Kyle. Kyle inherited a 2-14 team with literally nothing at QB. He took that team to the Super Bowl in year 3. So yeah, I'm really failing to see why you think Kyle can't spearhead a rebuild.

Oh you can defend him all you want, he's not winning a championship with the 49ers.

So if you want to squander more years and more wasted drafts hoping that Lucy won't pull the football, be my guest.

I just don't have high expectations of this regime any more.

Harbaugh is likely to lap the 49ers in a couple of years. And my guess is, so will MacDonald with the Seahawks and Gannon with the Cards.

[thesack12]

the offense just seems so vanilla right now. Everyone has caught on, Kyle can't do anything different, offensive line is mediocre, we shoot ourselves in the foot over and over again

It does seem super predictable n vanilla right now. A lot of folks were saying that it will get better when CMC gets back. Well it hasn't been, although to be fair Christian is still working his way back into form. Still, pre-CMC SF's offense really didn't have much of a receiving threat at RB, and the offense still consistently hummed.

To me the offensive issues boil down to 2 things.

1) The pass protection is just not good. They aren't great in individual matchups, and routinely allow free rushers via missed assignments. They really struggle to sustain blocks, which makes it tough to get anything going downfield. Far, far too many times the pocket is collapsing in on Brock as soon as he finishes his drop.

2) The receivers, just can't beat man coverage. BA is the best route runner and field stretcher, both of which help beat coverage. But Aiyuk is gone for the year, and he never was right at all while he was on the field. Outside of maybe Pearsall, the other receivers' skillsets are much more suited for physicality and are possession type of receivers. Defenses know that they only need to cover 15-10 yards of field, because nobody is going to get behind them...They also currently only have 3 viable WR's, so when one of those guys needs a breather whomever replaces them is just a decoy at best.

Red zone problems and true dropback passing situations are also underlying problems. But to me most of the problems in those 2 areas can be directly attributed to the above. In an obvious passing/dropback situation the OL seriously struggles to win matchups and are very susceptible to allowing free blitzers. Not having receivers that can beat man coverage gets amplified in a condense field, red zone situation. Red zone plays play out quickly, so it requires somebody to get open fast and/or the OL to be a able to sustain blocks to allow somebody time to get open.

I'm probably over simplifying, but that's my thoughts at the moment...

The bad part is neither of the 2 issues above are going to get fixed anytime soon. Maybe CMC's presence will start to open things up a bit more. But We've got what we got at this point in the season.

[thesack12]

Well I've advocated for moving on from Kyle a couple of years ago -- the dedicated thread.

Like I said, we've already seen the ceiling for this team with him in charge.

Too many squandered draft picks, can't game manage in the biggest games.

But now may not be the best time to reset and rebuild since there are so many expensive contracts.

For sure, he can't be in charge of the rebuild. He got the tea to a fairly high level but just not high enough as everyone wanted.

"fairly high level?"

You realize there is only 1 level he hasn't reached right? And holding a lead in OT of the super bowl, means he got as close as possible to getting there, without actually grabbing it.

Also, apparently you are forgetting the state of the team pre-Kyle. Kyle inherited a 2-14 team with literally nothing at QB. He took that team to the Super Bowl in year 3. So yeah, I'm really failing to see why you think Kyle can't spearhead a rebuild.

Oh you can defend him all you want, he's not winning a championship with the 49ers.

So if you want to squander more years and more wasted drafts hoping that Lucy won't pull the football, be my guest.

I just don't have high expectations of this regime any more.

Harbaugh is likely to lap the 49ers in a couple of years. And my guess is, so will MacDonald with the Seahawks and Gannon with the Cards.

I don't consider being a legit contender with several NFCCG appearances, and 2 Super Bowls as squandering years. But to each their own.

Go ask a Jets fan what wasting years is like.

The bar for Harbaugh, MacDonald, Gannon is pretty damn high. Kyle set the standard at Super Bowl in year 3, with undewhelming QB play to boot.

We'll see

[wco81]

In any event, they likely don't beat Philly or Detroit this year.

Can they regain their 2023 form next year? Maybe, but team will be older, some players coming off injury and there may be cap casualties.

Greenlaw may not be the same player again.

They probably need a high-impact rookie out of the next draft. I'm talking impact like Bosa as a rookie. Or Jefferson as a WR.

[Jikkle]

Not ready to fire Kyle but his seat should be warm at the very least because the amount of meltdowns this team has suffered this season is just unconscionable and we still have 8 games to go. I've always felt like this team was never quite the well oiled machine you would like and this season the machine is leaking oil all over the place.

There needs to be major changes this offseason for me to have some faith in Shanahan for next season.

Sorensen and the whole defensive scheme needs to be scrapped. Going into the Bucs game the defense was 32nd in the league with 3rd and 7+ and this game we're second behind the Bengals (maybe 1st now) in points given up in the final 2 minutes. That's about as unclutch as you can get and clearly Sorensen has 0 answers in stopping the pass.

What irks me the most is the sheer lack of creativity. All we do is rush 4 and hope they get home with the occasional overload or stunt and put 7 in zone so they can quickly tackle the guy after they allow the completion for a 1st down.

Don't think I need to go into detail with Special Teams.

Offensively I don't think we need a massive overhaul but I do believe defenses have adjusted to the Shanahan style offense because if you look around the league it seems like everyone that was part of that group hasn't been as good as it was in the past on offense. So they need to go to the drawing board and cook up some new things to counter the counter so to speak.

[49er4life1979]

Well I've advocated for moving on from Kyle a couple of years ago -- the dedicated thread.

Like I said, we've already seen the ceiling for this team with him in charge.

Too many squandered draft picks, can't game manage in the biggest games.

But now may not be the best time to reset and rebuild since there are so many expensive contracts.

For sure, he can't be in charge of the rebuild. He got the tea to a fairly high level but just not high enough as everyone wanted.

"fairly high level?"

You realize there is only 1 level he hasn't reached right? And holding a lead in OT of the super bowl, means he got as close as possible to getting there, without actually grabbing it.

Also, apparently you are forgetting the state of the team pre-Kyle. Kyle inherited a 2-14 team with literally nothing at QB. He took that team to the Super Bowl in year 3. So yeah, I'm really failing to see why you think Kyle can't spearhead a rebuild.

Oh you can defend him all you want, he's not winning a championship with the 49ers.

So if you want to squander more years and more wasted drafts hoping that Lucy won't pull the football, be my guest.

I just don't have high expectations of this regime any more.

Harbaugh is likely to lap the 49ers in a couple of years. And my guess is, so will MacDonald with the Seahawks and Gannon with the Cards.

Lol. Delusional talk. Geno isn't the long term answer and he's 32 now. Think he sticks around 5 more years? Same with Stafford. He's 36. Kyler is still there but he's not elite. That leaves the Niners to be in prime position to dominate the NFC West for years to come. We just knocked the 2024 draft out of the park. Brock is only 25 and WILL be around long term. Lynch is already building the next core group of players: Brock, Aiyuk, Pearsall, Puni, Bosa, Warner, Lenoir, Mustapha. This year just isn't our year.

[wco81]

Seattle and AZ have been loading up with top 10 or even top 5 picks in the last few drafts, while the 49ers squandered 3 FRPs for Lance.

That's going to catch up to them, unless every one of those high picks are busts.

It's QB dominated league but the 49ers have an aging, very expensive roster everywhere else, coming off major injuries or likely to be cap casualties.

[thesack12]

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[thesack12]

Seattle and AZ have been loading up with top 10 or even top 5 picks in the last few drafts, while the 49ers squandered 3 FRPs for Lance.

That's going to catch up to them, unless every one of those high picks are busts.

It's QB dominated league but the 49ers have an aging, very expensive roster everywhere else, coming off major injuries or likely to be cap casualties.

Its like you don't know why teams get top 10/top 5 picks. "Loading up" on top picks is not impressive.

SF's 2024 draft class is off to a pretty encouraging start.

[49er4life1979]

Seattle and AZ have been loading up with top 10 or even top 5 picks in the last few drafts, while the 49ers squandered 3 FRPs for Lance.

That's going to catch up to them, unless every one of those high picks are busts.

It's QB dominated league but the 49ers have an aging, very expensive roster everywhere else, coming off major injuries or likely to be cap casualties.

Yes the Lance trade hurt us. But we've also connected on a lot of draft picks too with this regime. Kittle, Warner, Bosa, Deebo, Greenlaw, Aiyuk, Banks, Lenoir, and a guy named Brock Purdy. Also found a few gems in the undrafted pools. The 2024 draft so far has been very good. I think our next core group of players is taking shape. Seattle and the Rams have no long term answers at QB. And with the Rams I think once Stafford is gone, Mcvay likely will be too. Kyler is good, but he hasn't proven to be elite. Not saying Brock is either, but at 25 he's just entering his prime. In the NFL, as long as a team has consistency at HC, QB, and drafts well they will ha ve sustained success. And I am not ready to fire a coach who led my team to 4 NFC Title games and 2 Super Bowls in 5 seasons.

[CrimsonCrew]

Just finished watching on delay. Well, that's the season. Pretty s***** one. Just as soon as soon see them tank for the draft pick at this point. They will probably do that regardless with games in Buffalo, in Green Bay, and against Detroit.

Can't believe we couldn't beat Seattle at home to salvage the season. Coaching this year has been very bad.

[clyde21]

In any event, they likely don't beat Philly or Detroit this year.

Can they regain their 2023 form next year? Maybe, but team will be older, some players coming off injury and there may be cap casualties.

Greenlaw may not be the same player again.

They probably need a high-impact rookie out of the next draft. I'm talking impact like Bosa as a rookie. Or Jefferson as a WR.

DT Mason Graham

[thesack12]

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Well, at least Fred gets it