Week 4: Jaguars @ 49ers

[clyde21]

How can every ST guy we bring in suck?

Starts with the HC - he doesn't take STs seriously so we'll never have a serious ST

If I am the owner I calling in Lynch and Shanahan tonight and this special teams problems have to get fixed NOW. Tell them they have a week to come up with solutions. Meanwhile get a consultant or three to come up with ideas also. Fundamentally, they just don't place sufficient emphasis on the ST. You cannot win a superbowl with this going on. Unacceptable.

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that's the difference between Shanny and Jim Harbaugh. Harbaugh was great operationally - the details, wanted strong OLs on both sides, solid STs, good situational football, the same doesn't exist for Kyle. he's great at the flash and flush, bad (or doesn't care) about all the connective tissue stuff.

[arich35]

How can every ST guy we bring in suck?

Starts with the HC - he doesn't take STs seriously so we'll never have a serious ST

I mean he did fire his friend from the job and got a new guy because it was so bad. Kyle wears himself thin so he is never going to be able to involve himself with ST. That is why Saleh is such a great match with him, Saleh can actually take control of the defense and doesn't need much input from Kyle

[CharityStripe34]

Eh the 3-0 was fools gold. Injuries, inconsistencies and some crappy coaching. I think this regime has run it's course a bit.

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No doubt they missed a couple golden opportunities to win it all. But they came a lot closer than most. Given that we've been without Bosa, Kittle, and Purdy for multiple games, we're pretty lucky to be 3-1. And frankly a lot of that credit has to go to coaching.

D has been surprisingly effective. Offense hasn't, but it's hard to fault Kyle that much. He can't catch the ball for our guys. He can't block in the run game. Given that our biggest struggles on offense have been at interior OL and receiver, I can't even fault the personnel side all that much. They have addressed those positions.

This game was a problem with execution and momentum. Something bad happened, and they capitalized to make something worse happen (for us). We fumble, they have a long touchdown on the next play. We drop a crucial third down pass, they run the punt back on the next play. Take those two plays away, even with all the turnovers, and we almost certainly win this game.

Oh, I still think it's a very good coaching staff I'm not for burning down the house. There just needs to be drastic improvement with drafting and player development.

And, yes, yesterday's game was winnable if we simply got out of our own way and showed more discipline in key moments. You'd like to hope they can rectify some things with the quick turnaround this week.

[clyde21]

Eh the 3-0 was fools gold. Injuries, inconsistencies and some crappy coaching. I think this regime has run it's course a bit.

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No doubt they missed a couple golden opportunities to win it all. But they came a lot closer than most. Given that we've been without Bosa, Kittle, and Purdy for multiple games, we're pretty lucky to be 3-1. And frankly a lot of that credit has to go to coaching.

At this point I'm blaming the injuries on the regime, so it's not an excuse I'm still willing to buy...even if it's not their fault, we can't fire a curse, but at some point something has to change

[Pattersonca65]

No way they deserved to win this game.

Jags made some dumb decisions to not put it away but they made all the plays.

No running game whatsoever in all 4 games.

4 games now without a rushing TD - first 49ers team ever to do that, considering it's a Kyle Shanahan team it makes it even wilder.

Again, put it on the oline.

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The 49ers don't have an oline that pushes people around. Shanahan likes lighter athletic olineman that can get out and block but struggle to get a push or open things up in close spaces. The 49ers have also lost some players that were not good pass blockers but were better run blockers. McClinghey was an elite run blocker. Banks was a good run blocker and Trent was playing at an elite level a couple of years ago. Harbaugh had a different philosophy. He preferred road graders to lighter faster guys that Shanahan wants. 49ers ran between the tackles.

[clyde21]

4 games now without a rushing TD - first 49ers team ever to do that, considering it's a Kyle Shanahan team it makes it even wilder.

Again, put it on the oline.

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The 49ers don't have an oline that pushes people around. Shanahan likes lighter athletic olineman that can get out and block but struggle to get a push or open things up in close spaces. The 49ers have also lost some players that were not good pass blockers but were better run blockers. McClinghey was an elite run blocker. Banks was a good run blocker and Trent was playing at an elite level a couple of years ago. Harbaugh had a different philosophy. He preferred road graders to lighter faster guys that Shanahan wants. 49ers ran between the tackles.

"Put it on the OL" as if the OL isn't the direct work of Kyle and Lynch

[CrimsonCrew]

Eh the 3-0 was fools gold. Injuries, inconsistencies and some crappy coaching. I think this regime has run it's course a bit.

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No doubt they missed a couple golden opportunities to win it all. But they came a lot closer than most. Given that we've been without Bosa, Kittle, and Purdy for multiple games, we're pretty lucky to be 3-1. And frankly a lot of that credit has to go to coaching.

At this point I'm blaming the injuries on the regime, so it's not an excuse I'm still willing to buy...even if it's not their fault, we can't fire a curse, but at some point something has to change

Some of the soft tissue stuff, that's probably fair. They have tried to course correct, but it still isn't working, and we have way too many pulls and strains. The Bosa injury was just dumb luck.

[clyde21]

Look, yesterday the Jags looked *way* faster than us on both sides of the ball, but I want to focus on offense.

Historically we weren't the fastest offense but we beat people the hell up, we were always more physical, stronger and great at YAC. We are no longer more physical than other teams, so we're now a slow, non-physical offense with deep schematic issues in the red zone.

and to top of it all off, we're also bad at the basic operations of football, bad STs, constantly in a battle with field of position, constantly losing the TO battle, constantly failing situationally (short yardage, redzone, goalline, etc.).

i'm not even gonna mention the injuries, because I don't know if it's a **** curse or something else, but if this team is this bad operationally then I think it's fair to assume we are bad operationally at other things, and maybe that has to do with why we're always injured.

point is, I think Kyle has worn out his welcome here, and I've been historically a Kyle guy who's refused to say that until I knew who could/would replace him. but at this point I've seen enough. i want a well operated team. i want good STs. I want good OLs. I want a functional red zone offense. And I don't want to draft f'ing kickers in the 3rd.

i have no idea who would replace Kyle if this year doesn't go well (maybe just promote Saleh or something), but I really am tired of being operationally a disaster every year.

[CrimsonCrew]

Again, put it on the oline.

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The 49ers don't have an oline that pushes people around. Shanahan likes lighter athletic olineman that can get out and block but struggle to get a push or open things up in close spaces. The 49ers have also lost some players that were not good pass blockers but were better run blockers. McClinghey was an elite run blocker. Banks was a good run blocker and Trent was playing at an elite level a couple of years ago. Harbaugh had a different philosophy. He preferred road graders to lighter faster guys that Shanahan wants. 49ers ran between the tackles.

"Put in the OL" as if the OL isn't the direct work of Kyle and Lynch

They own a lot of that. Particularly continuing to roll with Brendel without even seriously trying to challenge him. They brought in Hennessy as a FA, and Nugent as an UDFA, but Brendel has been such a glaring hole for such a long time that it's inexcusable not to make him fight for his job. That said, Puni was great last year but has been playing hurt and clearly isn't right. Bartch getting hurt is a mixed bag. You can't go with a guy like Bartch and not anticipate that he'll get hurt. But once he gets hurt, you're stuck with either a bad vet in Zakelj or a rookie in Colby.

Overall, once again, I thought the pass blocking was surprisingly effective for most of the game. But we can't win games with the current receiving corps if we have to do literally everything through the air. The run game has to contribute.

Not expecting great results this week against the Rams if we can't run the ball and can't pressure the opposing QB.

[clyde21]

One Battle After Another is literally just the 49ers - constantly **** battling something, injuries, **** special teams, 3rd round kickers who can't kick 30 yard FGs, bad TO ratios, bad situationally, one hospital ball thrower to another apparently

it's all so tiresome

[CrimsonCrew]

Bit of a terse exchange between Cohen and Saleh.

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[Pattersonca65]

Again, put it on the oline.

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The 49ers don't have an oline that pushes people around. Shanahan likes lighter athletic olineman that can get out and block but struggle to get a push or open things up in close spaces. The 49ers have also lost some players that were not good pass blockers but were better run blockers. McClinghey was an elite run blocker. Banks was a good run blocker and Trent was playing at an elite level a couple of years ago. Harbaugh had a different philosophy. He preferred road graders to lighter faster guys that Shanahan wants. 49ers ran between the tackles.

"Put it on the OL" as if the OL isn't the direct work of Kyle and Lynch

It is on Kyle and Lynch, I would say Kyle mostly. He is the one filling out the offensive side of the roster.

[CrimsonCrew]

To Clyde's point, a couple plays in the red zone where the issue is the execution. Guys do not appear to be sure of their assignments. Not certain who is to blame. On this first, my guess is that Colby was supposed to stay on the DT, Brendel shift to the MLB, and Farrell to the OLB.

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On this one, I'm assuming Bourne should have blocked the DB, but the guy splits him and Farrell with barely any contact.

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At the end of the day, that's got to fall on the coaching at least to an extent. If guys miss a block, it's on them. If they repeatedly aren't certain of their blocking responsibilities, that falls on coaching.

[Pattersonca65]

To Clyde's point, a couple plays in the red zone where the issue is the execution. Guys do not appear to be sure of their assignments. Not certain who is to blame. On this first, my guess is that Colby was supposed to stay on the DT, Brendel shift to the MLB, and Farrell to the OLB.

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On this one, I'm assuming Bourne should have blocked the DB, but the guy splits him and Farrell with barely any contact.

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At the end of the day, that's got to fall on the coaching at least to an extent. If guys miss a block, it's on them. If they repeatedly aren't certain of their blocking responsibilities, that falls on coaching.

Coaching for sure, but at the same time Bourne should not even be on team but for injuries and Colby is rookie in because of injuries so unfortunately these players are going to make mistakes but the 49ers don't have much in the way of options. At least with Colby hopefully he learns from these mistakes and makes him better

[clyde21]

There is just a constant lack of detail on this team on all levels, and it's becoming more and more apparent the more our talent gets degraded. I'm not asking Kyle to win every game, but we're terrible at even the basics on at this point.

[CrimsonCrew]

There is just a constant lack of detail on this team on all levels, and it's becoming more and more apparent the more our talent gets degraded. I'm not asking Kyle to win every game, but we're terrible at even the basics on at this point.

I think terrible overstates it. The coaching was very effective in getting us to 3-0. If you told me going into this season that we would lose Brock for two games, Kittle for three and three quarters, and Bosa for one and a half, and we were still 3-1 with a 2-0 division record, I'd have felt good about it. We won a game or two we shouldn't have, lost one we shouldn't have, but it all comes out in the wash. This week will be a real test, but if we can find a way to win it, we're in great shape.

I do question if this team can go the distance without Bosa. He's just so important to everything we do. But the D is still playing well - though I wonder if they can do that against a competent QB. I haven't really watched Lawrence much. Was not impressed at all. Stafford will be entirely different, and it would not surprise me if he carves us up.

[clyde21]

There is just a constant lack of detail on this team on all levels, and it's becoming more and more apparent the more our talent gets degraded. I'm not asking Kyle to win every game, but we're terrible at even the basics on at this point.

I think terrible overstates it. The coaching was very effective in getting us to 3-0. If you told me going into this season that we would lose Brock for two games, Kittle for three and three quarters, and Bosa for one and a half, and we were still 3-1 with a 2-0 division record, I'd have felt good about it. We won a game or two we shouldn't have, lost one we shouldn't have, but it all comes out in the wash. This week will be a real test, but if we can find a way to win it, we're in great shape.

I do question if this team can go the distance without Bosa. He's just so important to everything we do. But the D is still playing well - though I wonder if they can do that against a competent QB. I haven't really watched Lawrence much. Was not impressed at all. Stafford will be entirely different, and it would not surprise me if he carves us up.

i think we were lucky to get to 3-0, still zero rushing TDs, STs still suck, operationally we're still bad all over.

[CrimsonCrew]

There is just a constant lack of detail on this team on all levels, and it's becoming more and more apparent the more our talent gets degraded. I'm not asking Kyle to win every game, but we're terrible at even the basics on at this point.

I think terrible overstates it. The coaching was very effective in getting us to 3-0. If you told me going into this season that we would lose Brock for two games, Kittle for three and three quarters, and Bosa for one and a half, and we were still 3-1 with a 2-0 division record, I'd have felt good about it. We won a game or two we shouldn't have, lost one we shouldn't have, but it all comes out in the wash. This week will be a real test, but if we can find a way to win it, we're in great shape.

I do question if this team can go the distance without Bosa. He's just so important to everything we do. But the D is still playing well - though I wonder if they can do that against a competent QB. I haven't really watched Lawrence much. Was not impressed at all. Stafford will be entirely different, and it would not surprise me if he carves us up.

i think we were lucky to get to 3-0, still zero rushing TDs, STs still suck, operationally we're still bad all over.

Lucky to get to 3-0, unlucky not to be 4-0. I'm pretty depressed about yesterday, but not willing to give up on the season just yet. Though ask me again on Friday morning.

[clyde21]

I think terrible overstates it. The coaching was very effective in getting us to 3-0. If you told me going into this season that we would lose Brock for two games, Kittle for three and three quarters, and Bosa for one and a half, and we were still 3-1 with a 2-0 division record, I'd have felt good about it. We won a game or two we shouldn't have, lost one we shouldn't have, but it all comes out in the wash. This week will be a real test, but if we can find a way to win it, we're in great shape.

I do question if this team can go the distance without Bosa. He's just so important to everything we do. But the D is still playing well - though I wonder if they can do that against a competent QB. I haven't really watched Lawrence much. Was not impressed at all. Stafford will be entirely different, and it would not surprise me if he carves us up.

i think we were lucky to get to 3-0, still zero rushing TDs, STs still suck, operationally we're still bad all over.

Lucky to get to 3-0, unlucky not to be 4-0. I'm pretty depressed about yesterday, but not willing to give up on the season just yet. Though ask me again on Friday morning.

not giving up on the season, I just hate how disfunctional we are and how ill detailed we always seem to be.

[CrimsonCrew]

i think we were lucky to get to 3-0, still zero rushing TDs, STs still suck, operationally we're still bad all over.

Lucky to get to 3-0, unlucky not to be 4-0. I'm pretty depressed about yesterday, but not willing to give up on the season just yet. Though ask me again on Friday morning.

not giving up on the season, I just hate how disfunctional we are and how ill detailed we always seem to be.

Yeah, I get it. I still think Shanahan is a really good coach, but several versions of this team over the past few years could have been unbelievable if they were more buttoned up and took care of the little things. The sloppiness and inconsistency has been a repeated feature of his teams, and part of why the wheels have kind of fallen off once things start to go bad. It's incredibly frustrating he hasn't felt compelled to change certain things. But on balance, he's still really, really good.