The GTFO Jimmy Thread

[Samurai]

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Yep, no one is trying to argue Jimmy played well yesterday.

By the way, CPOE does not account for the QB getting pressured. It only factors in if they get hit or not.

Go back and watch those last couple plays and tell me how the O-line protected the QB on those plays.

The O-line was pathetic all game in both run and pass blocking, but their pass protection was especially bad with the game on the line in the 4th quarter. It was clearly obvious that a statue in the pocket would be killed back there with the way our line was (not) protecting. Looking back, I wish Lynch would have traded up to get a mobile QB that could at least give us a puncher's chance of evading the rush and pick up a first down or two with his legs, just for those couple of drives since the Rams knew exactly what to expect from Jimmy. Oh, wait.....

[zman1]

Thanks for some great years Jimmy. One SB and another close to SB. Thanks for saving us from Mullens and beathard and hoyer.

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[zman1]

On to the Trey Lance Era. Does he get us to the playoffs next year? I am going to say no, he needs another year of experience.

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[zman1]

Probably have two super bowl wins if Jimmy G is not the QB

Like with beathard or Mullens or hover? Any qb would have been better?

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[zman1]

Mahomes only needed 13 seconds to drive 60 yards to put his team in position to try a fg. Josh Allen only need 40 seconds. Jimmy G had damn near 2 minutes and couldn’t get 10 yards. He’s pathetic man.

How did Mahomes do yesterday in the second half? What a useless choker he is!

We lost yesterday because the rams took away our run game.

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[CrimsonCrew]

there was a point in the 3rd quarter where Jimmy had a QB rating of 126 with 2 TDs. At the time the Running game was dead, and i thought to myself "they said jimmy couldn't put the game on his back, but he's doing it" and right on que, it fell apart. Up until then the passing games was the only thing moving the ball.

This loss is partially my fault, i accept all criticism.

but where the hell did the running game and play action go? They where over comitting to stop the run all game, but play action would have killed em. and forced them to ease up.

The problem with QB rating is it's a pretty superficial metric that puts a lot of emphasis on completion percentage. If a guy never throws more than three yards downfield, but he completes a lot of them and his receivers help him out, he'll put up good numbers. For yesterday, Jimmy's short (maybe even behind the LOS?) pass to Deebo for a 40+ yard TD looks the same as a 40-yard bomb into tight coverage.

Jimmy played pretty well through much of the game, though he put at least two balls in incredibly dangerous places prior to the pick and is lucky both weren't intercepted. But he absolutely folded down the stretch. The offense was completely disjointed on the last two drives. Not sure if all of that was on Jimmy. On the late delay of game penalty, for instance, we didn't even start the motion until after the play clock expired. And then on the next play or the one after that, we had that bizarre situation where Mack barely got th snap off on time, but seemed like 3 of 5 OL didn't realize the ball had been snapped.

Ultimately, those sorts of errors are on the QB, but it appeared that the playcalling was slow getting in; we had numerous close calls on that front before the penalties started rolling in.

[CrimsonCrew]

So my thoughts on Garoppolo, now that I've had half a day to calm down. I think he's a better QB than he's being made out to be by a lot on here, but he's not the guy for our team. Part of the problem is that he's been the same guy for years. He makes the same mistakes over, and over, and over, and just never seems to correct them. Maybe that's on the coaching staff, but he needs to take more ownership.

Garoppolo is still likely a top-20 NFL QB, and that's really saying something. But you can't pay him what his contract does (even though it's rapidly being bumped down the list of top salaries) and remain competitive. He needs an elite supporting cast. He has some clear strengths. He's got a winning persona, his teammates like him, he's tough (though he needs to be because he's constantly hurt), he's got a quick release and is usually pretty accurate, and he doesn't get ruffled too often. When he sees what he expects, he can be decisive and can carve up a defense.

However, we have to contrast that with his weaknesses which, again, have not improved in any discernible fashion since he joined the team. He is physically limited. He can't make nearly all the throws. He can't threated the edges or deep consistently. He's not athletic and has awful pocket presence. If you can move him off his mark, he's almost as bad as Alex Smith frantically rolling to his right. And, the thing that dooms him as a QB, he has poor field vision and makes terrible decisions. That's the part of his game that he needed to change. Everything else and you can get by. Plenty of successful NFL QBs haven't had great arms, but to make up for that, you have to play error-free ball. And Jimmy is a turnover-worthy throw machine. He's good for two or three a game.

I don't know that Lance will be better, but on day one, he's going to open up a downfield and perimeter passing game (even though Lance was actually a pretty bad statistical deep passer in college), to say nothing of the running game. He brings things to the table that Jimmy couldn't imagine, so if he can synthesize Shanahan's offense even at 80% of Garoppolo's level, I think we're probably better off. If he can match or exceed Jimmy, especially in terms of taking care of the ball, the sky is the limit for this team. At least for the next couple years.

[Pattersonca65]

So my thoughts on Garoppolo, now that I've had half a day to calm down. I think he's a better QB than he's being made out to be by a lot on here, but he's not the guy for our team. Part of the problem is that he's been the same guy for years. He makes the same mistakes over, and over, and over, and just never seems to correct them. Maybe that's on the coaching staff, but he needs to take more ownership.

Garoppolo is still likely a top-20 NFL QB, and that's really saying something. But you can't pay him what his contract does (even though it's rapidly being bumped down the list of top salaries) and remain competitive. He needs an elite supporting cast. He has some clear strengths. He's got a winning persona, his teammates like him, he's tough (though he needs to be because he's constantly hurt), he's got a quick release and is usually pretty accurate, and he doesn't get ruffled too often. When he sees what he expects, he can be decisive and can carve up a defense.

However, we have to contrast that with his weaknesses which, again, have not improved in any discernible fashion since he joined the team. He is physically limited. He can't make nearly all the throws. He can't threated the edges or deep consistently. He's not athletic and has awful pocket presence. If you can move him off his mark, he's almost as bad as Alex Smith frantically rolling to his right. And, the thing that dooms him as a QB, he has poor field vision and makes terrible decisions. That's the part of his game that he needed to change. Everything else and you can get by. Plenty of successful NFL QBs haven't had great arms, but to make up for that, you have to play error-free ball. And Jimmy is a turnover-worthy throw machine. He's good for two or three a game.

I don't know that Lance will be better, but on day one, he's going to open up a downfield and perimeter passing game (even though Lance was actually a pretty bad statistical deep passer in college), to say nothing of the running game. He brings things to the table that Jimmy couldn't imagine, so if he can synthesize Shanahan's offense even at 80% of Garoppolo's level, I think we're probably better off. If he can match or exceed Jimmy, especially in terms of taking care of the ball, the sky is the limit for this team. At least for the next couple years.

I think this is a fair and accurate assessment

[Pattersonca65]

there was a point in the 3rd quarter where Jimmy had a QB rating of 126 with 2 TDs. At the time the Running game was dead, and i thought to myself "they said jimmy couldn't put the game on his back, but he's doing it" and right on que, it fell apart. Up until then the passing games was the only thing moving the ball.

This loss is partially my fault, i accept all criticism.

but where the hell did the running game and play action go? They where over comitting to stop the run all game, but play action would have killed em. and forced them to ease up.

The problem with QB rating is it's a pretty superficial metric that puts a lot of emphasis on completion percentage. If a guy never throws more than three yards downfield, but he completes a lot of them and his receivers help him out, he'll put up good numbers. For yesterday, Jimmy's short (maybe even behind the LOS?) pass to Deebo for a 40+ yard TD looks the same as a 40-yard bomb into tight coverage.

Jimmy played pretty well through much of the game, though he put at least two balls in incredibly dangerous places prior to the pick and is lucky both weren't intercepted. But he absolutely folded down the stretch. The offense was completely disjointed on the last two drives. Not sure if all of that was on Jimmy. On the late delay of game penalty, for instance, we didn't even start the motion until after the play clock expired. And then on the next play or the one after that, we had that bizarre situation where Mack barely got th snap off on time, but seemed like 3 of 5 OL didn't realize the ball had been snapped.

Ultimately, those sorts of errors are on the QB, but it appeared that the playcalling was slow getting in; we had numerous close calls on that front before the penalties started rolling in.

The one play Jimmy almost had a pick on looked almost identical to the pick he threw in another game where he threw on the run scrambling to his right. He isn't suited for that kind of play. I hated the call to run Juice up the middle on 3rd and 2. The 49ers were struggling to run up the middle all night. That drive was moving at that point. That and the dropped pick where momentum changers Those last couple of drives the pass protection broke down. One of those a rams player ran right up the middle unblocked.

[thesack12]

So my thoughts on Garoppolo, now that I've had half a day to calm down. I think he's a better QB than he's being made out to be by a lot on here, but he's not the guy for our team. Part of the problem is that he's been the same guy for years. He makes the same mistakes over, and over, and over, and just never seems to correct them. Maybe that's on the coaching staff, but he needs to take more ownership.

Garoppolo is still likely a top-20 NFL QB, and that's really saying something. But you can't pay him what his contract does (even though it's rapidly being bumped down the list of top salaries) and remain competitive. He needs an elite supporting cast. He has some clear strengths. He's got a winning persona, his teammates like him, he's tough (though he needs to be because he's constantly hurt), he's got a quick release and is usually pretty accurate, and he doesn't get ruffled too often. When he sees what he expects, he can be decisive and can carve up a defense.

However, we have to contrast that with his weaknesses which, again, have not improved in any discernible fashion since he joined the team. He is physically limited. He can't make nearly all the throws. He can't threated the edges or deep consistently. He's not athletic and has awful pocket presence. If you can move him off his mark, he's almost as bad as Alex Smith frantically rolling to his right. And, the thing that dooms him as a QB, he has poor field vision and makes terrible decisions. That's the part of his game that he needed to change. Everything else and you can get by. Plenty of successful NFL QBs haven't had great arms, but to make up for that, you have to play error-free ball. And Jimmy is a turnover-worthy throw machine. He's good for two or three a game.

I don't know that Lance will be better, but on day one, he's going to open up a downfield and perimeter passing game (even though Lance was actually a pretty bad statistical deep passer in college), to say nothing of the running game. He brings things to the table that Jimmy couldn't imagine, so if he can synthesize Shanahan's offense even at 80% of Garoppolo's level, I think we're probably better off. If he can match or exceed Jimmy, especially in terms of taking care of the ball, the sky is the limit for this team. At least for the next couple years.

Personally, I'd slot Jimmy in as a top 12 caliber QB. There is a lot of legitimately bad QB play in the NFL.

Other than that, this is fair/valid/honest assessment.

Well played, sir

[thesack12]

Probably have two super bowl wins if Jimmy G is not the QB

Like with beathard or Mullens or hover? Any qb would have been better?

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Mullens is a better option, Gardner Minshew is a better option, Sam Darnold is a better option, Jameis Winston is a better option. Amazingly all of these were actually bandied about at one time.

Like you said insert any random QB, and they would surely be better options.

[zman1]

So my thoughts on Garoppolo, now that I've had half a day to calm down. I think he's a better QB than he's being made out to be by a lot on here, but he's not the guy for our team. Part of the problem is that he's been the same guy for years. He makes the same mistakes over, and over, and over, and just never seems to correct them. Maybe that's on the coaching staff, but he needs to take more ownership.

Garoppolo is still likely a top-20 NFL QB, and that's really saying something. But you can't pay him what his contract does (even though it's rapidly being bumped down the list of top salaries) and remain competitive. He needs an elite supporting cast. He has some clear strengths. He's got a winning persona, his teammates like him, he's tough (though he needs to be because he's constantly hurt), he's got a quick release and is usually pretty accurate, and he doesn't get ruffled too often. When he sees what he expects, he can be decisive and can carve up a defense.

However, we have to contrast that with his weaknesses which, again, have not improved in any discernible fashion since he joined the team. He is physically limited. He can't make nearly all the throws. He can't threated the edges or deep consistently. He's not athletic and has awful pocket presence. If you can move him off his mark, he's almost as bad as Alex Smith frantically rolling to his right. And, the thing that dooms him as a QB, he has poor field vision and makes terrible decisions. That's the part of his game that he needed to change. Everything else and you can get by. Plenty of successful NFL QBs haven't had great arms, but to make up for that, you have to play error-free ball. And Jimmy is a turnover-worthy throw machine. He's good for two or three a game.

I don't know that Lance will be better, but on day one, he's going to open up a downfield and perimeter passing game (even though Lance was actually a pretty bad statistical deep passer in college), to say nothing of the running game. He brings things to the table that Jimmy couldn't imagine, so if he can synthesize Shanahan's offense even at 80% of Garoppolo's level, I think we're probably better off. If he can match or exceed Jimmy, especially in terms of taking care of the ball, the sky is the limit for this team. At least for the next couple years.

Agreed largely. Another major Jimmy problem was injuries. In 4 full seasons he missed all or a large part of 2. This year he was close to be out at the end of season with the thumb and shoulder. How much did those hold him back? His worst games came at the end.

He was kinda the guy for this team being run focused. But maybe they had to do that to cover his limitations.

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[thesack12]

asking your starting QB to get a first down is 'lofty standards'? lol

this is a weird hill you're choosing to die on tbh.

Mahomes and Allen were mentioned in regards to comparing Jimmy.

You know probably the best 2 QB's in the game right now, and certainly the 2 most dynamic QB talents.

I'll listen to criticism, but comparing Garoppolo to guys like that, is the very reason why Jimmy is hated so much. Its impossible standards.

It is quite ridiculous. We've known what Jimmy is and what he isn't. Last night came down to a couple of plays which were turning points in the game. All this Jimmy bashing over last night's game is kinda ridiculous

This!

The vast majority hate Garoppolo for what he isn't, than what he actually is. Sure, we would all love to have a do it all, Mt Rushmore type QB, but the fact of the matter is those guys are exceedingly rare.

Yet hordes of people want to compare Jimmy to those caliber of guys, and get mad because he can't perform up to that pie in the sky type of level. Then they want to bemoan "context" when facts are presented to them that don't fit their narrative, when they themselves are using no context to support their argument.

The scary part is, there are already people that are likening Trey Lance to being Josh Allen 2.0. While its not inconceivable he can get there, that is not a likely outcome. Those people are already setting up Lance for failure/disapointment within their own minds. What happens if he Trey doesn't approach being that caliber of player, are they going to deem him a failure and curse the day he became a 49er?

Realistic standards/goals/and expectations are in short supply within 49ers fan circles. Trey Lance can be a very good player and have a very successful career even if he doesn't approach top 3 caliber NFL QB.

[thesack12]

So my thoughts on Garoppolo, now that I've had half a day to calm down. I think he's a better QB than he's being made out to be by a lot on here, but he's not the guy for our team. Part of the problem is that he's been the same guy for years. He makes the same mistakes over, and over, and over, and just never seems to correct them. Maybe that's on the coaching staff, but he needs to take more ownership.

Garoppolo is still likely a top-20 NFL QB, and that's really saying something. But you can't pay him what his contract does (even though it's rapidly being bumped down the list of top salaries) and remain competitive. He needs an elite supporting cast. He has some clear strengths. He's got a winning persona, his teammates like him, he's tough (though he needs to be because he's constantly hurt), he's got a quick release and is usually pretty accurate, and he doesn't get ruffled too often. When he sees what he expects, he can be decisive and can carve up a defense.

However, we have to contrast that with his weaknesses which, again, have not improved in any discernible fashion since he joined the team. He is physically limited. He can't make nearly all the throws. He can't threated the edges or deep consistently. He's not athletic and has awful pocket presence. If you can move him off his mark, he's almost as bad as Alex Smith frantically rolling to his right. And, the thing that dooms him as a QB, he has poor field vision and makes terrible decisions. That's the part of his game that he needed to change. Everything else and you can get by. Plenty of successful NFL QBs haven't had great arms, but to make up for that, you have to play error-free ball. And Jimmy is a turnover-worthy throw machine. He's good for two or three a game.

I don't know that Lance will be better, but on day one, he's going to open up a downfield and perimeter passing game (even though Lance was actually a pretty bad statistical deep passer in college), to say nothing of the running game. He brings things to the table that Jimmy couldn't imagine, so if he can synthesize Shanahan's offense even at 80% of Garoppolo's level, I think we're probably better off. If he can match or exceed Jimmy, especially in terms of taking care of the ball, the sky is the limit for this team. At least for the next couple years.

Agreed largely. Another major Jimmy problem was injuries. In 4 full seasons he missed all or a large part of 2. This year he was close to be out at the end of season with the thumb and shoulder. How much did those hold him back? His worst games came at the end.

He was kinda the guy for this team being run focused. But maybe they had to do that to cover his limitations.

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Yeah, Jimmy's injury concerns are one of, if not the #1, main reason why the brass decided to heavily invest in a new QBOTF.

Like the old adage says, the best ability is availability. And Jimmy doesn't have the best track record of availability.

[superunknown]

there was a point in the 3rd quarter where Jimmy had a QB rating of 126 with 2 TDs. At the time the Running game was dead, and i thought to myself "they said jimmy couldn't put the game on his back, but he's doing it" and right on que, it fell apart. Up until then the passing games was the only thing moving the ball.

This loss is partially my fault, i accept all criticism.

but where the hell did the running game and play action go? They where over comitting to stop the run all game, but play action would have killed em. and forced them to ease up.

was wondering the same. most of the run were right down the middle, especially on first down, with little to no gain in most cases.
what about play actions, screen passes, motions, etc. basically most shanahan's playbook ?

[thesack12]

Mahomes only needed 13 seconds to drive 60 yards to put his team in position to try a fg. Josh Allen only need 40 seconds. Jimmy G had damn near 2 minutes and couldn’t get 10 yards. He’s pathetic man.

How did Mahomes do yesterday in the second half? What a useless choker he is!

We lost yesterday because the rams took away our run game.

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Yeah, Mahomes lost the Chiefs that game yesterday.

Just before halftime, Chiefs were on the 2 yard line with 5 seconds left and no TO's. Mahomes made the godawful decision to throw a pass short of the goal line, which of course allowed the receiver to be tackled and the clock to hit 0 and the Chiefs got no points there.

Mahomes went on to do basically nothing in the 2nd half. On the final drive, down by 3 Mahomes took back to back sacks (losing 20 yards in the process), fumbling on the 2nd one that almost sealed the game.

In Overtime he tried to throw the game away with a terrible pass but the DB dropped the INT. Then on the very next play, he was successful in throwing the game away with a bad decision to throw to Hill who was blanketed in double coverage and resulted in a INT.

Of course, you would expect the defense to hold an 18 point lead. But the offense went into hibernation after they got that lead.

Mahomes will win you a helluva lot more games than he will lose you. But he and his $1/2 Billion contract were the main reason why the Chiefs went home.

[wco81]

I don't know that Lance will be better, but on day one, he's going to open up a downfield and perimeter passing game (even though Lance was actually a pretty bad statistical deep passer in college), to say nothing of the running game. He brings things to the table that Jimmy couldn't imagine, so if he can synthesize Shanahan's offense even at 80% of Garoppolo's level, I think we're probably better off. If he can match or exceed Jimmy, especially in terms of taking care of the ball, the sky is the limit for this team. At least for the next couple years.

Lance has a higher ceiling.

But I'm not convinced Shanahan will tailor the offense to Lance's strengths.

He had Trey run some head scratching plays in his starts, like running him up the middle 3 or 4 times in the first Cards game.

Kyle doesn't deserve to be called offensive genius until he actually wins some big games. His record in big games is horrible.

An actual genius like Walsh won big games.

[CrimsonCrew]

there was a point in the 3rd quarter where Jimmy had a QB rating of 126 with 2 TDs. At the time the Running game was dead, and i thought to myself "they said jimmy couldn't put the game on his back, but he's doing it" and right on que, it fell apart. Up until then the passing games was the only thing moving the ball.

This loss is partially my fault, i accept all criticism.

but where the hell did the running game and play action go? They where over comitting to stop the run all game, but play action would have killed em. and forced them to ease up.

The problem with QB rating is it's a pretty superficial metric that puts a lot of emphasis on completion percentage. If a guy never throws more than three yards downfield, but he completes a lot of them and his receivers help him out, he'll put up good numbers. For yesterday, Jimmy's short (maybe even behind the LOS?) pass to Deebo for a 40+ yard TD looks the same as a 40-yard bomb into tight coverage.

Jimmy played pretty well through much of the game, though he put at least two balls in incredibly dangerous places prior to the pick and is lucky both weren't intercepted. But he absolutely folded down the stretch. The offense was completely disjointed on the last two drives. Not sure if all of that was on Jimmy. On the late delay of game penalty, for instance, we didn't even start the motion until after the play clock expired. And then on the next play or the one after that, we had that bizarre situation where Mack barely got th snap off on time, but seemed like 3 of 5 OL didn't realize the ball had been snapped.

Ultimately, those sorts of errors are on the QB, but it appeared that the playcalling was slow getting in; we had numerous close calls on that front before the penalties started rolling in.

The one play Jimmy almost had a pick on looked almost identical to the pick he threw in another game where he threw on the run scrambling to his right. He isn't suited for that kind of play. I hated the call to run Juice up the middle on 3rd and 2. The 49ers were struggling to run up the middle all night. That drive was moving at that point. That and the dropped pick where momentum changers Those last couple of drives the pass protection broke down. One of those a rams player ran right up the middle unblocked.

That was when the wheels were well and truly coming off. It seemed like we would get lined up with 8 seconds on the clock, but it would take that much time just to get the snap off. I remember sitting there waiting, and waiting, and then they'd snap it as the one ticked to zero. And not in clock-killing situations. All game. On that particular play, we had plenty of time, but then the snap just wasn't coming, then Mack snapped it as the playclock expired, but half the OL seemingly didn't get the memo and did nothing. Just a complete collapse.

[LightTheBeam]

Mahomes and Allen were mentioned in regards to comparing Jimmy.

You know probably the best 2 QB's in the game right now, and certainly the 2 most dynamic QB talents.

I'll listen to criticism, but comparing Garoppolo to guys like that, is the very reason why Jimmy is hated so much. Its impossible standards.

It is quite ridiculous. We've known what Jimmy is and what he isn't. Last night came down to a couple of plays which were turning points in the game. All this Jimmy bashing over last night's game is kinda ridiculous

This!

The vast majority hate Garoppolo for what he isn't, than what he actually is. Sure, we would all love to have a do it all, Mt Rushmore type QB, but the fact of the matter is those guys are exceedingly rare.

Yet hordes of people want to compare Jimmy to those caliber of guys, and get mad because he can't perform up to that pie in the sky type of level. Then they want to bemoan "context" when facts are presented to them that don't fit their narrative, when they themselves are using no context to support their argument.

The scary part is, there are already people that are likening Trey Lance to being Josh Allen 2.0. While its not inconceivable he can get there, that is not a likely outcome. Those people are already setting up Lance for failure/disapointment within their own minds. What happens if he Trey doesn't approach being that caliber of player, are they going to deem him a failure and curse the day he became a 49er?

Realistic standards/goals/and expectations are in short supply within 49ers fan circles. Trey Lance can be a very good player and have a very successful career even if he doesn't approach top 3 caliber NFL QB.

The expectations are there because the 49ers outside of Jimmy and the corners, are a super bowl ready team.

Id say our offensive weapons are top 5, easily top 10. Our O-Line is solid, run game is great. Front 7 is fantastic. It sucks to have such a fantastic squad that can physically dominate teams, but you are very limited in what your QB can do.

Jimmy is decent, and may be better than what Lance will be next year. But having Jimmy cuts the playbook in half and makes your offense (especially in big moments) predictable.

If you are going to give up what you did to go up and get Lance, the fan base has no choice but to be optimistic that the sky is the limit for him. I don't think he needs to be Allen level for this team to win a super bowl.

[CrimsonCrew]

So my thoughts on Garoppolo, now that I've had half a day to calm down. I think he's a better QB than he's being made out to be by a lot on here, but he's not the guy for our team. Part of the problem is that he's been the same guy for years. He makes the same mistakes over, and over, and over, and just never seems to correct them. Maybe that's on the coaching staff, but he needs to take more ownership.

Garoppolo is still likely a top-20 NFL QB, and that's really saying something. But you can't pay him what his contract does (even though it's rapidly being bumped down the list of top salaries) and remain competitive. He needs an elite supporting cast. He has some clear strengths. He's got a winning persona, his teammates like him, he's tough (though he needs to be because he's constantly hurt), he's got a quick release and is usually pretty accurate, and he doesn't get ruffled too often. When he sees what he expects, he can be decisive and can carve up a defense.

However, we have to contrast that with his weaknesses which, again, have not improved in any discernible fashion since he joined the team. He is physically limited. He can't make nearly all the throws. He can't threated the edges or deep consistently. He's not athletic and has awful pocket presence. If you can move him off his mark, he's almost as bad as Alex Smith frantically rolling to his right. And, the thing that dooms him as a QB, he has poor field vision and makes terrible decisions. That's the part of his game that he needed to change. Everything else and you can get by. Plenty of successful NFL QBs haven't had great arms, but to make up for that, you have to play error-free ball. And Jimmy is a turnover-worthy throw machine. He's good for two or three a game.

I don't know that Lance will be better, but on day one, he's going to open up a downfield and perimeter passing game (even though Lance was actually a pretty bad statistical deep passer in college), to say nothing of the running game. He brings things to the table that Jimmy couldn't imagine, so if he can synthesize Shanahan's offense even at 80% of Garoppolo's level, I think we're probably better off. If he can match or exceed Jimmy, especially in terms of taking care of the ball, the sky is the limit for this team. At least for the next couple years.

Personally, I'd slot Jimmy in as a top 12 caliber QB. There is a lot of legitimately bad QB play in the NFL.

Other than that, this is fair/valid/honest assessment.

Well played, sir

I'll note that top-12 is within the top-20, so...

I think you've got to put the promising youngsters ahead of him. They aren't better than him yet, but pretty much any team would take the gamble rather than roll with Garoppolo at this point. Here are the guys - in a very rough order - that I would take over him for one game without a second thought, taking possible retirements out of it.

Brady
Rodgers
Mahomes
Allen
Burrow
Herbert
Stafford
Wilson
Prescott
Jackson
Murray (though his end to the season gives me a lot of pause)

That's eleven guys where I don't think there's really an objective argument to take Jimmy over them. Guys who are closer calls include:

Carr
Cousins
Tannehill
Ryan

Jimmy is more of a "winner" than all of those guys, but you can argue that all of them except maybe Tannehill are asked to do considerably more for their teams. Then we have the young guns who, again, you probably take over Jimmy:

Jones
Fields
Lawrence
Wilson

I think there's a pretty strong argument you'd take the upside of any of those guys over Jimmy.

Anyway, just a quick review. Sure I'm leaving some things out, and no real point, other than to stress that the QB landscape is bleak in a lot of NFL towns.