2023 Offseason

[CrimsonCrew]

I'm kind of making this an NFL offseason thread. If people want this thread to stay Niner-centric, let me know and I'll post stuff elsewhere.

[wco81]

Well in other NFL news, Rams trade Ramsey for a 3rd round pick. They reportedly are shopping Stafford too.

So they're waving the white flag on their window?

[Bingo_AlphaMan]

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[arich35]

I wonder if we are going to make a bigger FA signing this year. Really would like to spend on OL and DL at this point

Well... Huge signing at DT!

[Bingo_AlphaMan]

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I still think we can benefit from having a speedy edge rusher to play opposite of Bosa. That’s the achilles heel of the DLine. No true speed rusher.

[arich35]

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I still think we can benefit from having a speedy edge rusher to play opposite of Bosa. That’s the achilles heel of the DLine. No true speed rusher.

I think Drake Jackson is going to take a big step up next year especially lining up next to Armstead/Hargrave. But I agree, I think we will draft a speed rusher or try to continue our luck on picking up cheap guys.

[CrimsonCrew]

Whoa. That's a shock. Not sure I'm crazy about that move. It's a good signing on the surface, but how do we pay him and Bosa? Armstead is already eating a ton of our cap space at interior DL.

[arich35]

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Awesome to get Givens back for depth.

[arich35]

Whoa. That's a shock. Not sure I'm crazy about that move. It's a good signing on the surface, but how do we pay him and Bosa? Armstead is already eating a ton of our cap space at interior DL.

I trust that the front office has this factored in. I'm sure they have guys who will continue to restructure

[Samurai]

Whoa. That's a shock. Not sure I'm crazy about that move. It's a good signing on the surface, but how do we pay him and Bosa? Armstead is already eating a ton of our cap space at interior DL.

I trust that the front office has this factored in. I'm sure they have guys who will continue to restructure

Paraag Marathe is one of the very best at what he does; first team All-Pro at managing the cap. Can't imagine Lynch would have even attempted this without running the numbers by Marathe first. As long as Marathe gave a thumbs-up, that's good enough for me.

[CrimsonCrew]

I have no idea how they're going to fit a Bosa extension in, which is my primary concern with this one. We've already been re-working contracts - specifically with Dee Ford and Armstead - in a way that has lingering effects on our cap situation. Almost certainly going to lose Aiyuk at this point. We can hold him through his fifth-year option, I guess.

Armstead is basically uncuttable this year, and we take a pretty huge cap hit ($14 million) if we cut him next year, though we realize $11 million in savings. Do we cut Kinlaw? Savings aren't huge (I think about $4.5 million), but they're something. That pick was such a bust, and shouldn't have been a surprise as he was a one-year wonder who played well for one day at the Senior Bowl and then pulled out due to injury.

Anyway, I love the thought of Hargrave and Bosa next to each other on passing downs, but I don't love adding a 30-year-old if it means losing our all-world 25-year-old.

[CrimsonCrew]

Whoa. That's a shock. Not sure I'm crazy about that move. It's a good signing on the surface, but how do we pay him and Bosa? Armstead is already eating a ton of our cap space at interior DL.

I trust that the front office has this factored in. I'm sure they have guys who will continue to restructure

Paraag Marathe is one of the very best at what he does; first team All-Pro at managing the cap. Can't imagine Lynch would have even attempted this without running the numbers by Marathe first. As long as Marathe gave a thumbs-up, that's good enough for me.

He's very good at what he does, but this FO made the financial decisions that caused us to lose Buckner while throwing money down the drain for the likes of Pierre Garcon, Malcolm Smith, Jet McKinnon, Dee Ford, etc., so it's not like it's all been great moves. We have routinely overpaid guys who disappointed. That goes with the territory to a degree, but still, it's a concerning hit rate.

Hargrave has only gotten better as he's aged, he's hopefully angry and motivated about missing out on his SB win, and he should be a holy terror next to Bosa, but I have concerns about losing our young, home-grown talent.

The good news is that we've got two more years of cheap QB contracts, but then Lance will be on a pretty pricey (not by QB standards, perhaps, but still) fifth-year deal if he earns that. That's probably around the time we'd want to extend Purdy if he's the starter, too. We can't keep paying all these guys once the QB position comes due.

[Samurai]

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I still think we can benefit from having a speedy edge rusher to play opposite of Bosa. That’s the achilles heel of the DLine. No true speed rusher.

I think Drake Jackson is going to take a big step up next year especially lining up next to Armstead/Hargrave. But I agree, I think we will draft a speed rusher or try to continue our luck on picking up cheap guys.

I also think Jackson will be better this year. A lot of people felt he under-performed this past season but his PFF grade of 64.1 was pretty good compared to his teammates. Obviously that's an indication that the Niners d-line (other than Bosa of course) weren't very good, but 64.1 is slightly better than Armstead, far better than Givens, and more than double the bust named Kinlaw. I think there is still another level that Drake Jackson can reach this season and while everyone will talk about how the addition of Hargrave can help Bosa, it will also help Jackson as well. A starting group of Bosa, Armstead, Hargrave and Jackson has the potential to be elite.

[CrimsonCrew]

Jimmy G. gets three years, $68 million from the Raiders. A little less than he wanted, based on reports. Hopefully that's enough to get us a third-rounder. McGlinchey and Hargrave should basically offset to cancel out that likely third-rounder.

[CrimsonCrew]

I still think we can benefit from having a speedy edge rusher to play opposite of Bosa. That’s the achilles heel of the DLine. No true speed rusher.

I think Drake Jackson is going to take a big step up next year especially lining up next to Armstead/Hargrave. But I agree, I think we will draft a speed rusher or try to continue our luck on picking up cheap guys.

I also think Jackson will be better this year. A lot of people felt he under-performed this past season but his PFF grade of 64.1 was pretty good compared to his teammates. Obviously that's an indication that the Niners d-line (other than Bosa of course) weren't very good, but 64.1 is slightly better than Armstead, far better than Givens, and more than double the bust named Kinlaw. I think there is still another level that Drake Jackson can reach this season and while everyone will talk about how the addition of Hargrave can help Bosa, it will also help Jackson as well. A starting group of Bosa, Armstead, Hargrave and Jackson has the potential to be elite.

Jackson needs to really capitalize on the offseason program to get himself in shape. He wasn't in shape at the time of the draft last year. We need him to come in fit and ready to work. Still way too early to give up on him, and he flashed at times, but there are some concerns. His commitment to fitness, his polish as a pass rusher, and his ability to hold up in the run game stand out. Granted he was a really late second-round pick, so we shouldn't expect pro bowl accolades.

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I just feel this draft they should be aggressive in beefing up the offensive line and even defensive line as I doubt Kinlaw and Armstead are the teams long-term plans.

yes, gotta go deep on the OL this draft

[arich35]

I trust that the front office has this factored in. I'm sure they have guys who will continue to restructure

Paraag Marathe is one of the very best at what he does; first team All-Pro at managing the cap. Can't imagine Lynch would have even attempted this without running the numbers by Marathe first. As long as Marathe gave a thumbs-up, that's good enough for me.

He's very good at what he does, but this FO made the financial decisions that caused us to lose Buckner while throwing money down the drain for the likes of Pierre Garcon, Malcolm Smith, Jet McKinnon, Dee Ford, etc., so it's not like it's all been great moves. We have routinely overpaid guys who disappointed. That goes with the territory to a degree, but still, it's a concerning hit rate.

Hargrave has only gotten better as he's aged, he's hopefully angry and motivated about missing out on his SB win, and he should be a holy terror next to Bosa, but I have concerns about losing our young, home-grown talent.

The good news is that we've got two more years of cheap QB contracts, but then Lance will be on a pretty pricey (not by QB standards, perhaps, but still) fifth-year deal if he earns that. That's probably around the time we'd want to extend Purdy if he's the starter, too. We can't keep paying all these guys once the QB position comes due.

We didn't just lose Buckner, we got a 1st round pick for him (yes that didn't turn out well) and it allowed us to keep Armstead on a cheaper deal than Buckner. Us paying Jimmy 25M probably played way more of a factor not keeping Buckner, now we have two QBs on rookie deals, plus the cap has gone up a ton so we can afford to pay Hargrave and extending Bosa

[RIPskaterdude]

I trust that the front office has this factored in. I'm sure they have guys who will continue to restructure

Paraag Marathe is one of the very best at what he does; first team All-Pro at managing the cap. Can't imagine Lynch would have even attempted this without running the numbers by Marathe first. As long as Marathe gave a thumbs-up, that's good enough for me.

He's very good at what he does, but this FO made the financial decisions that caused us to lose Buckner while throwing money down the drain for the likes of Pierre Garcon, Malcolm Smith, Jet McKinnon, Dee Ford, etc., so it's not like it's all been great moves. We have routinely overpaid guys who disappointed. That goes with the territory to a degree, but still, it's a concerning hit rate.

Hargrave has only gotten better as he's aged, he's hopefully angry and motivated about missing out on his SB win, and he should be a holy terror next to Bosa, but I have concerns about losing our young, home-grown talent.

The good news is that we've got two more years of cheap QB contracts, but then Lance will be on a pretty pricey (not by QB standards, perhaps, but still) fifth-year deal if he earns that. That's probably around the time we'd want to extend Purdy if he's the starter, too. We can't keep paying all these guys once the QB position comes due.

Jet and Dee were good signings, they just couldn't stay healthy. Jet played well for KC and Ford was great, almost got the team a ring.

[CrimsonCrew]

Paraag Marathe is one of the very best at what he does; first team All-Pro at managing the cap. Can't imagine Lynch would have even attempted this without running the numbers by Marathe first. As long as Marathe gave a thumbs-up, that's good enough for me.

He's very good at what he does, but this FO made the financial decisions that caused us to lose Buckner while throwing money down the drain for the likes of Pierre Garcon, Malcolm Smith, Jet McKinnon, Dee Ford, etc., so it's not like it's all been great moves. We have routinely overpaid guys who disappointed. That goes with the territory to a degree, but still, it's a concerning hit rate.

Hargrave has only gotten better as he's aged, he's hopefully angry and motivated about missing out on his SB win, and he should be a holy terror next to Bosa, but I have concerns about losing our young, home-grown talent.

The good news is that we've got two more years of cheap QB contracts, but then Lance will be on a pretty pricey (not by QB standards, perhaps, but still) fifth-year deal if he earns that. That's probably around the time we'd want to extend Purdy if he's the starter, too. We can't keep paying all these guys once the QB position comes due.

We didn't just lose Buckner, we got a 1st round pick for him (yes that didn't turn out well) and it allowed us to keep Armstead on a cheaper deal than Buckner. Us paying Jimmy 25M probably played way more of a factor not keeping Buckner, now we have two QBs on rookie deals, plus the cap has gone up a ton so we can afford to pay Hargrave and extending Bosa

Sure, we got a first-round pick that we blew on Kinlaw. Compounded the bad move.

In a vacuum, trading Buckner wasn't an awful move. But Buckner is the sort of guy you try to hang onto. Especially if, in the years since, you shell out big money on Armstead, draft a guy at 14, and then sign another guy to a huge FA deal. And now we're paying Armstead higher salaries this year and next than Buckner ever earned on his contract. In retrospect, the team would have been better off if we had held onto Buckner.

Yes, of course the Jimmy contract was the biggest driver in losing Buckner, but the Ford and Smith contracts absolutely played a part. We could have afforded Garoppolo and Buckner, and could have let Armstead go and gotten maybe a fourth-round comp pick back. I think Armstead has been better than the perception at times, but he's not nearly on Buckner's level, and he's had injury issues almost every season.