2024 49ers Season

Jikkle · Post #401 » by **Jikkle** » Tue Nov 19, 2024 9:20 am

This team has never recovered from it's decision to not resign Buckner.

I understood the logic at the time but I didn't agree with it then and now the defensive line has never really recovered from it and their attempts to fix it have fallen completely flat.

CrimsonCrew · Post #402 » by **CrimsonCrew** » Tue Nov 19, 2024 6:13 pm

Jikkle wrote:This team has never recovered from it's decision to not resign Buckner.

I understood the logic at the time but I didn't agree with it then and now the defensive line has never really recovered from it and their attempts to fix it have fallen completely flat.

It was obviously a mistake. Buckner is the sort of player you keep around, particularly when the alternative was to overpay for Armstead. Armstead is a great dude and was a good player for us after the extension, but he's not Buckner.

We also went about things the wrong way. Instead of taking Wirfs - a great player at a position of need - with the pick we got, we blew it on Kinlaw, trying to replace a great player with a player at the same position who had major question marks (single season of production, injury concerns, some character/attitude concerns). To this day, that's the pick that has upset me the most. I was SCREAMING for Wirfs. If we had made that move and still traded for Trent, it would have changed everything about this team. Not to mention if we had taken Creed Humphrey over Banks. Can you even imagine this team with that OL? We'd probably have two SBs by now.

Ultimately, the Niners were still in and should have won the SB last year, so it's hard to say they haven't recovered from letting Buckner walk, but given the big contract to Armstead, the first-round pick on Kinlaw, and the big contract for Hargrave, none of which really panned out - and Kinlaw and Hargrave basically both bust moves even though Kinlaw was solid last year - it would have been so much better just to pay Buckner. We ultimately would have had the better player and arguably would have surrounded him with even more talent.

clyde21 · Post #403 » by **clyde21** » Tue Nov 19, 2024 8:50 pm

CrimsonCrew wrote:
Jikkle wrote:This team has never recovered from it's decision to not resign Buckner.

I understood the logic at the time but I didn't agree with it then and now the defensive line has never really recovered from it and their attempts to fix it have fallen completely flat.

We also went about things the wrong way. Instead of taking Wirfs - a great player at a position of need - with the pick we got, we blew it on Kinlaw.

i get that and I would've taken Wirfs over Kinlaw for sure but I think it's pretty obvious at this point that Shanny/Lynch philosophy is that they won't spent high picks on OL and would rather do that on skill positions and defense and just scheme the OL into success and supplement thru FA, so we have to come to grips with that at this point.

CrimsonCrew · Post #404 » by **CrimsonCrew** » Tue Nov 19, 2024 9:17 pm

clyde21 wrote:
CrimsonCrew wrote:
Jikkle wrote:This team has never recovered from it's decision to not resign Buckner.

I understood the logic at the time but I didn't agree with it then and now the defensive line has never really recovered from it and their attempts to fix it have fallen completely flat.

We also went about things the wrong way. Instead of taking Wirfs - a great player at a position of need - with the pick we got, we blew it on Kinlaw.

i get that and I would've taken Wirfs over Kinlaw for sure but I think it's pretty obvious at this point that Shanny/Lynch philosophy is that they won't spent high picks on OL and would rather do that on skill positions and defense and just scheme the OL into success and supplement thru FA, so we have to come to grips with that at this point.

They took McGlinchey 9th overall. Though he was on the team at that time, so fair that they presumably wouldn't have added both Wirfs and Williams.

CrimsonCrew · Post #405 » by **CrimsonCrew** » Tue Nov 19, 2024 9:23 pm

The team has not been helped by taking Kinlaw and then only taking a single DT since then, an injured Kalia Davis in the 6th round. That's a real head-scratcher. Since taking Kinlaw, we've drafted more third-round RBs than DTs period.

For a team that claims they want to build through the trenches, they haven't really tried to do so in the draft.

clyde21 · Post #406 » by **clyde21** » Tue Nov 19, 2024 9:29 pm

CrimsonCrew wrote:
clyde21 wrote:
CrimsonCrew wrote:
We also went about things the wrong way. Instead of taking Wirfs - a great player at a position of need - with the pick we got, we blew it on Kinlaw.

i get that and I would've taken Wirfs over Kinlaw for sure but I think it's pretty obvious at this point that Shanny/Lynch philosophy is that they won't spent high picks on OL and would rather do that on skill positions and defense and just scheme the OL into success and supplement thru FA, so we have to come to grips with that at this point.

They took McGlinchey 9th overall. Though he was on the team at that time, so fair that they presumably wouldn't have added both Wirfs and Williams.

Lynch's second draft and probably the outlier at this point, meanwhile since he's been GM he's spent 3 1st round picks on DL (Thomas, Bosa, Kinlaw) and only Bosa you can argue was the clear BPA, another 1st on Lance and most recently on Pearsall.

also since 2017 we've had 19 second/third round picks...out of those 19 picks we've spent a whopping TWO on OL (Banks and Puni). agree or disagree w/ it the draft propensity is pretty obvious at this point.

clyde21 · Post #407 » by **clyde21** » Tue Nov 19, 2024 10:09 pm

honestly outside of Bosa, we haven't gotten good returns on a single 1st round pick in the Lynch-Shanny era. McGlinchey gone, Kinlaw and Thomas busted, Lance is a historic bust, and we'll see what happens w/ Pearsall. that's a terrible return on 1st round assets.

it's actually mindbending how we're still considered one of the more talented teams in the league despite all this waste of assets and talent drainage over the years.

CrimsonCrew · Post #408 » by **CrimsonCrew** » Tue Nov 19, 2024 10:54 pm

clyde21 wrote:honestly outside of Bosa, we haven't gotten good returns on a single 1st round pick in the Lynch-Shanny era. McGlinchey gone, Kinlaw and Thomas busted, Lance is a historic bust, and we'll see what happens w/ Pearsall. that's a terrible return on 1st round assets.

it's actually mindbending how we're still considered one of the more talented teams in the league despite all this waste of assets and talent drainage over the years.

Yeah, their drafting has been really weird under this regime. They are amazing in the later rounds, but almost better late than they are early, which is bizarre. They have hit absolute home runs with guys like Warner, Greenlaw, Kittle, Purdy, Lenoir, Hufanga if healthy, Jennings, and seemingly Puni.

But their first- and second-round hit rates are pretty meh. Bosa was a layup, Aiyuk was a good pick, but they have been bad outside of those two. McGlinchey wasn't an outright bust, but he wasn't worth the pick. Kinlaw a clear bust, Thomas awful, and Lance one of the worst picks/trades ever made.

Even Deebo was a really good second-round pick, but at this point it's pretty clear that AJ Brown would have been the better pick (and the one I really wanted). Pettis and Jackson look like huge busts (Pettis for sure). Banks has got to be considered a bust considering the position and that he was the second interior OL taken. Outside of Warner (and seemingly Puni), the third round has been an unmitigated disaster with picks on Sermon, Ambry Thomas, Davis-Price, Gray, Moody, and Latu. Jury is still out on Brown, but he's been shaky this year.

But the 5th round has been incredible. Kittle, DJ Reed (granted not for us), Greenlaw, McKivitz (not a great player, but a great pick at that spot), Lenoir, and Hufanga. Those players and some of the later picks and UDFAs have kept us relevant.

Having said all of that, this past draft looks pretty good so far. We need to really hit on another if we're going to remain competitive going forward. Our division rivals have more young talent than we do.

Post #409 » by **Harry Palmer** » Fri Nov 22, 2024 9:39 pm

Purdy, Bosa and Trent all no shows at today’s practice.

Every contender I have ever been a fan of’s window closed sooner than we fans saw coming.

wco81 · Post #410 » by **wco81** » Fri Nov 22, 2024 10:34 pm

Brandon Allen will start.

49ers need their playmakers to take short passes for huge YAC plays but they haven’t done that all season.

clyde21 · Post #411 » by **clyde21** » Fri Nov 22, 2024 10:36 pm

are we just tanking at this point?

arich35 · Post #412 » by **arich35** » Fri Nov 22, 2024 10:48 pm

clyde21 wrote:are we just tanking at this point?

Purdy and Bosa are actually hurt so not sure how.

This season sucks

clyde21 · Post #413 » by **clyde21** » Fri Nov 22, 2024 10:54 pm

maybe a tank this season so we can get a Mason Graham or something on the DL and go into next season with a refreshed roster/mind won't be the worst thing. Pearsall getting shot in the chest should've been the early indicator about how this season was gonna go.

RIPskaterdude · Post #414 » by **RIPskaterdude** » Sat Nov 23, 2024 12:12 am

RIP 49ers 2024 season

Big J · Post #415 » by **Big J** » Sat Nov 23, 2024 12:25 am

clyde21 wrote:maybe a tank this season so we can get a Mason Graham or something on the DL and go into next season with a refreshed roster/mind won't be the worst thing. Pearsall getting shot in the chest should've been the early indicator about how this season was gonna go.

Season from hell. Simmons called it before the year even started. Dude is a maven.

arich35 · Post #416 » by **arich35** » Sat Nov 23, 2024 1:12 am

clyde21 wrote:maybe a tank this season so we can get a Mason Graham or something on the DL and go into next season with a refreshed roster/mind won't be the worst thing. Pearsall getting shot in the chest should've been the early indicator about how this season was gonna go.

I'm down in the dumps about this team but I think our Super Bowl window closed with most of the vets we have, they are getting older and aren't getting better at this point. Only one who still is consistent is Kittle

clyde21 · Post #417 » by **clyde21** » Sat Nov 23, 2024 1:32 am

arich35 wrote:
clyde21 wrote:maybe a tank this season so we can get a Mason Graham or something on the DL and go into next season with a refreshed roster/mind won't be the worst thing. Pearsall getting shot in the chest should've been the early indicator about how this season was gonna go.

I'm down in the dumps about this team but I think our Super Bowl window closed with most of the vets we have, they are getting older and aren't getting better at this point. Only one who still is consistent is Kittle

we'll see, on paper there is no reason it should be closed after a soft reset this year, who in the NFC will be better than us next year? maybe Eagles or something but that's really about it.

Big J · Post #418 » by **Big J** » Sat Nov 23, 2024 3:16 am

What do you guys think about picking up Daniel Jones? He's gotta be better than our backups, and challenge Purdy for reps.

arich35 · Post #419 » by **arich35** » Sat Nov 23, 2024 3:18 am

clyde21 wrote:
arich35 wrote:
clyde21 wrote:maybe a tank this season so we can get a Mason Graham or something on the DL and go into next season with a refreshed roster/mind won't be the worst thing. Pearsall getting shot in the chest should've been the early indicator about how this season was gonna go.

I'm down in the dumps about this team but I think our Super Bowl window closed with most of the vets we have, they are getting older and aren't getting better at this point. Only one who still is consistent is Kittle

we'll see, on paper there is no reason it should be closed after a soft reset this year, who in the NFC will be better than us next year? maybe Eagles or something but that's really about it.

Lions?
Besides getting Greenlaw back and some draft picks I am not sure we will be better on paper than what we are this year. Williams will be older and worse, Aiyuk will be coming off a huge injury, Deebo will be older and slower, Ward will be gone, Warner will be another year older. If we can somehow really beef up the OL I would like our chances more

clyde21 · Post #420 » by **clyde21** » Sat Nov 23, 2024 5:09 am

arich35 wrote:
clyde21 wrote:
arich35 wrote:
I'm down in the dumps about this team but I think our Super Bowl window closed with most of the vets we have, they are getting older and aren't getting better at this point. Only one who still is consistent is Kittle

we'll see, on paper there is no reason it should be closed after a soft reset this year, who in the NFC will be better than us next year? maybe Eagles or something but that's really about it.

Lions?
Besides getting Greenlaw back and some draft picks I am not sure we will be better on paper than what we are this year. Williams will be older and worse, Aiyuk will be coming off a huge injury, Deebo will be older and slower, Ward will be gone, Warner will be another year older. If we can somehow really beef up the OL I would like our chances more

Forgot about the Lions, but I'd say we'd be top 3 in the NFC with a good chance to beat either team

i mean there are a lot of clear paths for improvement next year...i'd assume at least *some* of the ST issues get resolved, we bring in a real DC (maybe Saleh comes back?), this rookie class which is looking very promising has another year and off season under its belt, we make a trade or two (Deebo?), guys like Greenlaw and hopefully Hufanga come back, etc.