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Post#441 » by Bingo_AlphaMan » Fri Apr 24, 2020 4:23 am

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arich35 wrote:In Kyle I trust.
A guy with a huge wingspan and returned punts.

One of the analysts on the radio said that Aiyuk was Shanahan's favorite receiver in the entire draft. I don't know how he knows that or is just guessing, but moving up and giving up 2 valuable picks to get Aiyuk obviously means that Shanahan really wanted him and didn't think he'd be there at 31. Still not sure how we will get a CB, OT and TE with the picks we have left; maybe Lynch can deal Goodwin, Pettis, James and/or Breida for some more picks.


Shanahan is an idiot when it comes to rating receivers. He passed up on Christian Kirk for Donte Pettis. He did it again last year when he passed up on A.J. Brown and D.K. Metcalf for Deebo. This year he took Ayuck instead of Laviska Shenault.
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Post#443 » by I_am_1z » Fri Apr 24, 2020 4:29 am

Hangman_52 wrote:The two big names that everyone was comparing Brandon Aiyuk to were Pierre Garcon and Greg Jennings, and one person thought he was more of a Jeremy Maclin


None of those comps are comparable interestingly enough
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Post#444 » by Bingo_AlphaMan » Fri Apr 24, 2020 4:33 am

NinerSickness wrote:I've been drowning my sorrows watching Kinlaw, and I really like the dude. Really good hand usage with long arms & power to the punch; that's a deadly combination. If Ford can stay healthy, Niners' DL should still be one of the best in the league again. :D

Their CB situation sucks, though. :banghead:


You should have seen the reports on him the week of the senior bowl. He was manhandling every offensive linemen that he went up against.
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Post#445 » by Ray_Dogg » Fri Apr 24, 2020 4:33 am

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arich35 wrote:In Kyle I trust.
A guy with a huge wingspan and returned punts.

One of the analysts on the radio said that Aiyuk was Shanahan's favorite receiver in the entire draft. I don't know how he knows that or is just guessing, but moving up and giving up 2 valuable picks to get Aiyuk obviously means that Shanahan really wanted him and didn't think he'd be there at 31. Still not sure how we will get a CB, OT and TE with the picks we have left; maybe Lynch can deal Goodwin, Pettis, James and/or Breida for some more picks.[/quote

Chris Simms who is very close friends with Kyle said Kyle thought he was Isaac Bruce or something like that.
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Post#447 » by Ray_Dogg » Fri Apr 24, 2020 4:38 am

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NinerSickness wrote:I've been drowning my sorrows watching Kinlaw, and I really like the dude. Really good hand usage with long arms & power to the punch; that's a deadly combination. If Ford can stay healthy, Niners' DL should still be one of the best in the league again. :D

Their CB situation sucks, though. :banghead:


You should have seen the reports on him the week of the senior bowl. He was manhandling every offensive linemen that he went up against.


Yep. They said he was the best player there. Now he doesn’t have to face as many double and triple teams. He should beast.
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Post#448 » by I_am_1z » Fri Apr 24, 2020 4:51 am

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Everyone makes a big deal about Ruggs' speed, but KJ is the only person who could do this.

KJ definitely isn't a slot receiver, his route tree isn't developed enough, but he is the next Desean Jackson. You tell him, "Go catch that cowhide floating in the distance", and he'll do it. Having a guy like KJ around would only open up the run game even more for Shanahan. I don't know who Brandon Aiyuk is well enough to have an opinion on him, but he doesn't jump off the page when it comes to any of his measurables or traits.
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Post#449 » by GS Warriors 1 » Fri Apr 24, 2020 4:54 am

Emmanuel Sanders v2.0, basically. Just hope we didn't pass up the next Hopkins-level talent. That would've made the passing game another tier.
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Post#450 » by GS Warriors 1 » Fri Apr 24, 2020 5:18 am

Little bit of paraphrasing, but gist of what Shanahan and Lynch said about the picks.

Shanahan "Brandon Aiyuk was the third option for us at 13. We had to make a move for him with our second pick."

Lynch "Based on our intel, Aiyuk was most definitely not going to make it to 31. He was becoming a hotter name as we got closer to the draft."

Lynch "Kinlaw was one of those 'foundational' players I talked about."

Shanahan "I'm always down to go defensive lineman if the right guy is there. For Kinlaw to be there at 13 and us move back to 14, and still get him? We thought it was unbelievable."

Lynch "I was down there at Senior Bowl week and Kinlaw absolutely decimated guys."
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Post#451 » by CrimsonCrew » Fri Apr 24, 2020 5:30 am

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CrimsonCrew wrote:Don't like that pick one bit. One of the only picks we could have made given how the draft shook out that I would have been unhappy with. Kinlaw looks like he'll be a good player. Maybe even a great player. But he's a DT. It's not an impact position, unless you're Aaron Donald. They made the right call to let Buckner go, and then they just replace him with a lesser version. It's a lateral move, at best, when they needed to make a move to improve the team.

We've now thrown five of the past six high first round picks at the DL. FOUR of them for interior DL. And we traded a second round pick and gave big money at the position. It's ridiculous. DL was still a position of strength on this team. The cupboard is pretty bare at WR, OT could be a HUGE issue next year, and CB could be an even bigger one. I had heard the rumors that the FO felt we needed a DL, and prayed it was just blowing smoke. Apparently not. Newsflash: it's not the 1990s. Modern NFL is won on the edges, not in the trenches. You can justify DE and OT, but interior DL just isn't how you win games unless the opposing QB keeps throwing right into the DT's arm.

When we moved Buckner, we really dealt a blow to our DL. One of our consistent studs who showed up every play and game... our DL was rocked with his departure.... The void was there would we have survived without addressing it? Definitely not last year’s level with the current depth chart but now with Kinlaw and going forward, maybe our Defense can maintain that violent attack?

Mind you, had we drafted WR instead, that’ll be just as fine... but defense won’t be as strong
I believe in more in Shanny in making WRs and late rd offensive players(including OL) work in his system than I do in Saleh still... besides we still have the late first to address WR... I think we need speed at WR and that can be still had with a few WRs currently left available.


Sure, losing a great player at any position will be felt. But that player does not play a high value position. That's part of why it made sense to trade him rather than paying out the nose to keep him. And we have talent and depth along the DL even without Kinlaw. Bosa, Armstead, Ford, and Jones are a group that would make about 28 NFL teams ecstatic. Filled in with solid depth and it's a position of strength overall.

On the other hand, our CBs got exposed a bit in the playoffs last year. Sherman is a year older. Witherspoon was an absolute disaster by the end of last year. Moseley generally played really well - though he was at least partially responsible for arguably the biggest blown coverage in the SB and has put more film out there. Williams had a great year, but he's getting older and has been somewhat inconsistent. Beyond those guys, I don't know what we have at the position. And they are all FAs next year. Maybe Verrett will rebound, but that's kind of a wing and a prayer at this point. No one else on the roster even bears mentioning.

At OT, Staley will almost certainly be gone after this season. Maybe Brunskill can take over. Maybe Coleman can. But expecting either to step in without a pretty serious downgrade is optimistic to say the least. Next offseason could be absolutely brutal, and we had a chance to fix that problem by standing pat and taking Wirfs.

I absolutely agree that I have more faith in Shanahan to scheme around his players' weaknesses than Saleh. And generally, I think that's easier to do on offense because defenses usually react to what an offense does. But Shanahan was not able to get production out of his WRs last year. His high-priced players and highly drafted guys busted almost to a man. We had to go out mid-year and give up valuable picks to get borderline production out of that group. So my faith in Shanahan is shaken a bit.
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Post#452 » by GS Warriors 1 » Fri Apr 24, 2020 5:30 am

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Shanahan "Brandon was my top WR in the draft. CeeDee was up there, too, he is a hell of a player and can make plays. That was the competition, close call."

Shanahan "Feel Brandon brings the same versatility Emmanuel did for our offense. Can run routes from anywhere on the field, inside and outside."
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Post#453 » by CrimsonCrew » Fri Apr 24, 2020 5:33 am

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CrimsonCrew wrote:Trying to take an optimistic view of this - which I'm struggling with - IF Ford can stay healthy, the DL might actually be better, at least down the stretch. And if our backups can stay healthy, too, so much more so. But man, we need to address some other positions. Next offseason could be absolutely brutal.

Other silver lining, I suppose, is that we're perhaps giving guys like Pettis and Hurd more of a chance to step up. And Taylor, I guess. I have serious reservations about that, but we have thrown a lot of resources at WR lately, and might as well see what we have there.
Only thing that matters is this offseason, not next. Gotta return to the SB


I couldn't disagree more. I really thought this team was building for the future. Now it looks like they're one year away from a pretty significant rebuild. The DL will still be nasty, with Bosa, Armstead, and Kinlaw around for at least three more years. But the back end of the D and the OL are huge questions.
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Post#454 » by CrimsonCrew » Fri Apr 24, 2020 5:35 am

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CrimsonCrew wrote:Trying to take an optimistic view of this - which I'm struggling with - IF Ford can stay healthy, the DL might actually be better, at least down the stretch. And if our backups can stay healthy, too, so much more so. But man, we need to address some other positions. Next offseason could be absolutely brutal.

Other silver lining, I suppose, is that we're perhaps giving guys like Pettis and Hurd more of a chance to step up. And Taylor, I guess. I have serious reservations about that, but we have thrown a lot of resources at WR lately, and might as well see what we have there.

I think the optimistic view comes down to two numbers: trading a $84M contract for a $20M one. While it is common to just look at the on-field stuff, the cap is a very real part of the game whether we like it or not. Personnel decisions can't be made without considering the cap impact.


Of course. I'd just rather be paying the $20 million to a more valuable position.
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Post#455 » by CrimsonCrew » Fri Apr 24, 2020 5:49 am

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arich35 wrote:In Kyle I trust.
A guy with a huge wingspan and returned punts.

One of the analysts on the radio said that Aiyuk was Shanahan's favorite receiver in the entire draft. I don't know how he knows that or is just guessing, but moving up and giving up 2 valuable picks to get Aiyuk obviously means that Shanahan really wanted him and didn't think he'd be there at 31. Still not sure how we will get a CB, OT and TE with the picks we have left; maybe Lynch can deal Goodwin, Pettis, James and/or Breida for some more picks.


Shanahan is an idiot when it comes to rating receivers. He passed up on Christian Kirk for Donte Pettis. He did it again last year when he passed up on A.J. Brown and D.K. Metcalf for Deebo. This year he took Ayuck instead of Laviska Shenault.


Metcalf was a horrible fit for our scheme and QB. He wouldn't have had anything like the year he had with the Hawks if he was on the Niners. The complaint is fair re: Brown, though I think Brown and Samuel are pretty similar. The bigger issue is fixating on a single player. We could have traded back and still gotten Brown. We almost certainly could have gotten Samuel, but we know for sure that Brown would have been there if we traded back to 47. Really would have loved that additional third-round pick such a move would have netted.

That said, I don't mean to defend Shanahan's eye for WR talent. We have spent a second and a fourth in 2018, a second and a third in 2019, and a first, a third, and two fourths in 2020 - eight picks in the first four rounds in less than two years (actual time) - addressing the WR positoin and we basically have Samuel and Aiyuk to show for it. Words cannot describe how brutal that is.
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Post#456 » by CrimsonCrew » Fri Apr 24, 2020 5:54 am

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Learn from the vets on the teams. Hahahaha. Still, nice to hear from a guy whose eye for receivers I respect.
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Post#457 » by CrimsonCrew » Fri Apr 24, 2020 5:56 am

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Everyone makes a big deal about Ruggs' speed, but KJ is the only person who could do this.

KJ definitely isn't a slot receiver, his route tree isn't developed enough, but he is the next Desean Jackson. You tell him, "Go catch that cowhide floating in the distance", and he'll do it. Having a guy like KJ around would only open up the run game even more for Shanahan. I don't know who Brandon Aiyuk is well enough to have an opinion on him, but he doesn't jump off the page when it comes to any of his measurables or traits.


Sometimes. Big knock on Hamler is that he drops a ton of balls.
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Post#458 » by Bald Bull » Fri Apr 24, 2020 6:00 am

Aiyuk is definitely faster than his 40 time on the field. I read that he had a core injury when he ran that. On film he's moving faster than anyone on the field.

Aiyuk wasn't someone I had my eye on, so i wasn't excited about the pick as i would have been for Jeudy or lamb at 13. He wasn't on my radar till a couple days ago, but the more I see of him, the more i like the thought of him, Deebo and Kittle racking up YAC. I'm sold on that possibility in this offense.
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Post#459 » by Bald Bull » Fri Apr 24, 2020 6:04 am

The draft wasn't the same without pozz. I'd love to hear his thoughts on aiyuk.
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Post#460 » by Bald Bull » Fri Apr 24, 2020 6:08 am

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Learn from the vets on the teams. Hahahaha. Still, nice to hear from a guy whose eye for receivers I respect.


Welker is our vet WR :lol:

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