2024 49ers Season

[thesack12]

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Well one board member in particular, was insisting that the 4th round pick that Lance was traded for was "worthless."

SF snagged a promising starter with that "worthless" 4th round pick.

[thesack12]

All you have to do is look at Darnold to see that if you put a guy with talent into a good situation he can succeed. Darnold looks like he’s passed Purdy to me.

You think Purdy is in a good situation? Darnold here would be awful? You couldnt evaluate a high school QB.

Yes, Purdy has played his entire career with Kyle and the Avengers. We’re finally seeing what he looks like without them and it’s honestly exactly what I thought it would be. Very mid.

Yep, we are seeing what Pury's doing without them

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He's still residing at the top of a lot of metrics.

[Big J]

You think Purdy is in a good situation? Darnold here would be awful? You couldnt evaluate a high school QB.

Yes, Purdy has played his entire career with Kyle and the Avengers. We’re finally seeing what he looks like without them and it’s honestly exactly what I thought it would be. Very mid.

Yep, we are seeing what Pury's doing without them

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He's still residing at the top of a lot of metrics.

13 TDs to 8 picks on 66% completions is the very definition of mid. By contrast Baker Mayfield has 24 & 9 on 71.4%... Baker Mayfield.

[Pattersonca65]

Yes, Purdy has played his entire career with Kyle and the Avengers. We’re finally seeing what he looks like without them and it’s honestly exactly what I thought it would be. Very mid.

Yep, we are seeing what Pury's doing without them

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He's still residing at the top of a lot of metrics.

13 TDs to 8 picks on 66% completions is the very definition of mid. By contrast Baker Mayfield has 24 & 9 on 71.4%... Baker Mayfield.

Cherry picking stats now. How is your hero Trey Lance doing? All that talent ozzing on the bench

[thesack12]

Yes, Purdy has played his entire career with Kyle and the Avengers. We’re finally seeing what he looks like without them and it’s honestly exactly what I thought it would be. Very mid.

Yep, we are seeing what Pury's doing without them

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He's still residing at the top of a lot of metrics.

13 TDs to 8 picks on 66% completions is the very definition of mid. By contrast Baker Mayfield has 24 & 9 on 71.4%... Baker Mayfield.

Counting stats are the most basic type, and don't carry much weight in their raw form with no context.

FYI, Purdy is #2 in the NFL in air yards and 3rd in yards/per attempt, despite SF being dead last in YAC percentage and their receivers getting the least separation in the NFL....Kind of blows apart your baseless claims that Purdy is only a product of his teammates/system and only lives on dinking and dunking with YAC attached.

[Big J]

Yep, we are seeing what Pury's doing without them

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He's still residing at the top of a lot of metrics.

13 TDs to 8 picks on 66% completions is the very definition of mid. By contrast Baker Mayfield has 24 & 9 on 71.4%... Baker Mayfield.

Counting stats are the most basic type, and don't carry much weight in their raw form with no context.

FYI, Purdy is #2 in the NFL in air yards and 3rd in yards/per attempt, despite SF being dead last in YAC percentage and their receivers getting the least separation in the NFL....Kind of blows apart your baseless claims that Purdy is only a product of his teammates/system and only lives on dinking and dunking with YAC attached.

He literally is a product of his teammates/system. When his teammates are the best in the league they took him & Jimmy to Super Bowls. When they aren't good the team is mid.

[thesack12]

13 TDs to 8 picks on 66% completions is the very definition of mid. By contrast Baker Mayfield has 24 & 9 on 71.4%... Baker Mayfield.

Counting stats are the most basic type, and don't carry much weight in their raw form with no context.

FYI, Purdy is #2 in the NFL in air yards and 3rd in yards/per attempt, despite SF being dead last in YAC percentage and their receivers getting the least separation in the NFL....Kind of blows apart your baseless claims that Purdy is only a product of his teammates/system and only lives on dinking and dunking with YAC attached.

He literally is a product of his teammates/system. When his teammates are the best in the league they took him & Jimmy to Super Bowls. When they aren't good the team is mid.

EVERYBODY is "literally" a product of his system/teammates.

Last time I checked, every football player plays alongside 10 teammates on the field with them. Then there is another group of 11 entirely different teammates that get on the field, when the possession of the ball changes hands.

Also, pretty sure that every football player runs the plays either directly called by their coaches or designed by their coaches in an audible situation.

[Big J]

Counting stats are the most basic type, and don't carry much weight in their raw form with no context.

FYI, Purdy is #2 in the NFL in air yards and 3rd in yards/per attempt, despite SF being dead last in YAC percentage and their receivers getting the least separation in the NFL....Kind of blows apart your baseless claims that Purdy is only a product of his teammates/system and only lives on dinking and dunking with YAC attached.

He literally is a product of his teammates/system. When his teammates are the best in the league they took him & Jimmy to Super Bowls. When they aren't good the team is mid.

EVERYBODY is "literally" a product of his system/teammates.

Last time I checked, every football player plays alongside 10 teammates on the field with them. Then there is another group of 11 entirely different teammates that get on the field, when the possession of the ball changes hands.

Also, pretty sure that every football player runs the plays either directly called by their coaches or designed by their coaches in an audible situation.

The great ones can elevate their teams when they have mediocre teammates. Look at Mahomes this year. He’s played with backups at almost every single skill position, and yet he’s only lost 1 game.

[Pattersonca65]

Counting stats are the most basic type, and don't carry much weight in their raw form with no context.

FYI, Purdy is #2 in the NFL in air yards and 3rd in yards/per attempt, despite SF being dead last in YAC percentage and their receivers getting the least separation in the NFL....Kind of blows apart your baseless claims that Purdy is only a product of his teammates/system and only lives on dinking and dunking with YAC attached.

He literally is a product of his teammates/system. When his teammates are the best in the league they took him & Jimmy to Super Bowls. When they aren't good the team is mid.

EVERYBODY is "literally" a product of his system/teammates.

Last time I checked, every football player plays alongside 10 teammates on the field with them. Then there is another group of 11 entirely different teammates that get on the field, when the possession of the ball changes hands.

Also, pretty sure that every football player runs the plays either directly called by their coaches or designed by their coaches in an audible situation.

You cant fix stupid

[CrimsonCrew]

He literally is a product of his teammates/system. When his teammates are the best in the league they took him & Jimmy to Super Bowls. When they aren't good the team is mid.

EVERYBODY is "literally" a product of his system/teammates.

Last time I checked, every football player plays alongside 10 teammates on the field with them. Then there is another group of 11 entirely different teammates that get on the field, when the possession of the ball changes hands.

Also, pretty sure that every football player runs the plays either directly called by their coaches or designed by their coaches in an audible situation.

The great ones can elevate their teams when they have mediocre teammates. Look at Mahomes this year. He’s played with backups at almost every single skill position, and yet he’s only lost 1 game.

Look, Mahomes is incredible, particularly because he almost always seems to find a way to pull games out at the end (basically the antithesis of our team this year). But the reality is that their defense is quite good while their offense is pretty mediocre. On offense, they are 14th in yards per game, 10th in points, 12th in passing yards. Mahomes is second in the league in INTs. On defense, they are 4th in yards and 9th in points.

Meanwhile, our defense is 21st in points and at the bottom in third-down conversions allowed, red zone TD %, and 4th quarter scoring. No QB can do it alone.

[CrimsonCrew]

In some bad news, Feliciano didn't heal up as expected and will not be activated from IR. I was really, really hoping they'd give him some snaps over Brendel. Maybe we can give Nugent a look? Can't really be worse...

[Pattersonca65]

In some bad news, Feliciano didn't heal up as expected and will not be activated from IR. I was really, really hoping they'd give him some snaps over Brendel. Maybe we can give Nugent a look? Can't really be worse...

I was looking at the injury report this week and it doesn't look good. They should just sit Purdy another week and let him heal. This is not going to go well anyway and it just isn't happening this season. There needs to be a team wide assessment of the roster and coaching staff and the way things have gone they just can't expect to come back next year and things will be different.

[Big J]

EVERYBODY is "literally" a product of his system/teammates.

Last time I checked, every football player plays alongside 10 teammates on the field with them. Then there is another group of 11 entirely different teammates that get on the field, when the possession of the ball changes hands.

Also, pretty sure that every football player runs the plays either directly called by their coaches or designed by their coaches in an audible situation.

The great ones can elevate their teams when they have mediocre teammates. Look at Mahomes this year. He’s played with backups at almost every single skill position, and yet he’s only lost 1 game.

Look, Mahomes is incredible, particularly because he almost always seems to find a way to pull games out at the end (basically the antithesis of our team this year). But the reality is that their defense is quite good while their offense is pretty mediocre. On offense, they are 14th in yards per game, 10th in points, 12th in passing yards. Mahomes is second in the league in INTs. On defense, they are 4th in yards and 9th in points.

Meanwhile, our defense is 21st in points and at the bottom in third-down conversions allowed, red zone TD %, and 4th quarter scoring. No QB can do it alone.

Yes, and Mahomes also won a superbowl with a bottom half defense. It doesn’t matter how his team is limited, he just finds a way to win.

[CrimsonCrew]

The great ones can elevate their teams when they have mediocre teammates. Look at Mahomes this year. He’s played with backups at almost every single skill position, and yet he’s only lost 1 game.

Look, Mahomes is incredible, particularly because he almost always seems to find a way to pull games out at the end (basically the antithesis of our team this year). But the reality is that their defense is quite good while their offense is pretty mediocre. On offense, they are 14th in yards per game, 10th in points, 12th in passing yards. Mahomes is second in the league in INTs. On defense, they are 4th in yards and 9th in points.

Meanwhile, our defense is 21st in points and at the bottom in third-down conversions allowed, red zone TD %, and 4th quarter scoring. No QB can do it alone.

Yes, and Mahomes also won a superbowl with a bottom half defense. It doesn’t matter how his team is limited, he just finds a way to win.

When did he do that? In 2019, their D was 7th in points allowed (we were 8th). They were 17th in yards allowed - so technically "bottom half," but barely. Points allowed is a better metric for evaluating a unit, though it lacks nuance. In 2022, they were 16th in points and 11th in yards. Last year their D was second in points and yards.

Let's take a closer look at that 2022 SB win, as that's clearly the year their D was the worst. In the divisional game, they allowed 20 points against the Jaguars (including a FG with 30 seconds left).

In the AFCCG, they held the Bengals to 20 points. They had two INTs and five sacks of Burrow. The Chiefs scored 10 points in the second half as Mahomes lost a fumble and they punted three times. After the Bengals tied the game, the D held the Bengals to drives of 17 yards and 29 yards to keep them in it. The D forced a punt and the STs returned it 29 yards to set Mahomes up for the winning FG, and that drive netted five yards until a boneheaded unnecessary roughness penalty put them in FG range and basically handed them the win. The offense did the heavy lifting in a SB that was a real shootout. Again, nothing against Mahomes. He's incredible. But he didn't exactly do it himself.

And the discussion is not Mahomes vs. Purdy. Mahomes is a once-in-a-generation player. We missed out on him (thanks for not scouting QBs that year, Kyle....). If the fallback plan is to wait for a Mahomes, we're going to be disappointed. But even Mahomes needs help.

[Big J]

Look, Mahomes is incredible, particularly because he almost always seems to find a way to pull games out at the end (basically the antithesis of our team this year). But the reality is that their defense is quite good while their offense is pretty mediocre. On offense, they are 14th in yards per game, 10th in points, 12th in passing yards. Mahomes is second in the league in INTs. On defense, they are 4th in yards and 9th in points.

Meanwhile, our defense is 21st in points and at the bottom in third-down conversions allowed, red zone TD %, and 4th quarter scoring. No QB can do it alone.

Yes, and Mahomes also won a superbowl with a bottom half defense. It doesn’t matter how his team is limited, he just finds a way to win.

When did he do that? In 2019, their D was 7th in points allowed (we were 8th). They were 17th in yards allowed - so technically "bottom half," but barely. Points allowed is a better metric for evaluating a unit, though it lacks nuance. In 2022, they were 16th in points and 11th in yards. Last year their D was second in points and yards.

Let's take a closer look at that 2022 SB win, as that's clearly the year their D was the worst. In the divisional game, they allowed 20 points against the Jaguars (including a FG with 30 seconds left).

In the AFCCG, they held the Bengals to 20 points. They had two INTs and five sacks of Burrow. The Chiefs scored 10 points in the second half as Mahomes lost a fumble and they punted three times. After the Bengals tied the game, the D held the Bengals to drives of 17 yards and 29 yards to keep them in it. The D forced a punt and the STs returned it 29 yards to set Mahomes up for the winning FG, and that drive netted five yards until a boneheaded unnecessary roughness penalty put them in FG range and basically handed them the win. The offense did the heavy lifting in a SB that was a real shootout. Again, nothing against Mahomes. He's incredible. But he didn't exactly do it himself.

And the discussion is not Mahomes vs. Purdy. Mahomes is a once-in-a-generation player. We missed out on him (thanks for not scouting QBs that year, Kyle....). If the fallback plan is to wait for a Mahomes, we're going to be disappointed. But even Mahomes needs help.

Every QB needs help, but the greats can win with less help than the mediocre guys. Mahomes has consistently gone deep in the playoffs with teams that were far from perfect. It's better to have a great QB who can elevate a team out of mediocrity rather than one who needs everything around him to be perfect to succeed.

[CrimsonCrew]

Just started watching this, but two minutes in it's a huge indictment of Sorenson. 3rd and 4, they shift from a 2x2 to a 3x1 (not a complicated shift, and something we see a lot because we can't cover bunch formations) and the defense doesn't appear to adjust for the motion at all on the side that now has to cover three receivers. Primary and secondary read both wide open.

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[thesack12]

Yes, and Mahomes also won a superbowl with a bottom half defense. It doesn’t matter how his team is limited, he just finds a way to win.

When did he do that? In 2019, their D was 7th in points allowed (we were 8th). They were 17th in yards allowed - so technically "bottom half," but barely. Points allowed is a better metric for evaluating a unit, though it lacks nuance. In 2022, they were 16th in points and 11th in yards. Last year their D was second in points and yards.

Let's take a closer look at that 2022 SB win, as that's clearly the year their D was the worst. In the divisional game, they allowed 20 points against the Jaguars (including a FG with 30 seconds left).

In the AFCCG, they held the Bengals to 20 points. They had two INTs and five sacks of Burrow. The Chiefs scored 10 points in the second half as Mahomes lost a fumble and they punted three times. After the Bengals tied the game, the D held the Bengals to drives of 17 yards and 29 yards to keep them in it. The D forced a punt and the STs returned it 29 yards to set Mahomes up for the winning FG, and that drive netted five yards until a boneheaded unnecessary roughness penalty put them in FG range and basically handed them the win. The offense did the heavy lifting in a SB that was a real shootout. Again, nothing against Mahomes. He's incredible. But he didn't exactly do it himself.

And the discussion is not Mahomes vs. Purdy. Mahomes is a once-in-a-generation player. We missed out on him (thanks for not scouting QBs that year, Kyle....). If the fallback plan is to wait for a Mahomes, we're going to be disappointed. But even Mahomes needs help.

Every QB needs help, but the greats can win with less help than the mediocre guys. Mahomes has consistently gone deep in the playoffs with teams that were far from perfect. It's better to have a great QB who can elevate a team out of mediocrity rather than one who needs everything around him to be perfect to succeed.

First off, of-effing-course its better to have a great QB. What the hell are we even talking about here?

Secondly, apparently you haven't noticed but unquestionably great QB's are a little hard to come by.

Thirdly, you are insinuating that SF was a perfect team last season. Which makes it quite obvious you have no idea what you are seeing, if you even watch games that is.

[CrimsonCrew]

I think I had blocked out the blatant drop by Watson just before half (or forgotten when it occurred). That should have been an easy TD. Our defense is so bad.

[thesack12]

Just started watching this, but two minutes in it's a huge indictment of Sorenson. 3rd and 4, they shift from a 2x2 to a 3x1 (not a complicated shift, and something we see a lot because we can't cover bunch formations) and the defense doesn't appear to adjust for the motion at all on the side that now has to cover three receivers. Primary and secondary read both wide open.

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Yeah, Sorenson ain't him.

He's completely clueless on how to even attempt to make adjustments.

He just runs the same thing over, and over, and over, and over again. Doesn't matter what the scoreboard/clock says. Doesn't matter what personnel he has available. Doesn't matter what the down and distance is.

Sorenson literally has no redeeming qualities. At least with Wilks you could say, at least he was making solid 2nd half adjustments, and he had pretty much all the DB's elevate their play overall.

[thesack12]

I think I had blocked out the blatant drop by Watson just before half (or forgotten when it occurred). That should have been an easy TD. Our defense is so bad.

I say it every week in the game threads, the defense's best source of resistance is luck.

So, so, so many times they have been bailed out by unforced mistakes by the offense.