2020 NFL DRAFT OFFICIAL thread

[Bingo_AlphaMan]

Re: Aiyuk's speed:

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2020-nfl-draft-evaluating-on-field-speed-for-henry-ruggs-and-other-top-wide-receiver-prospects/

Looks like he plays faster than he times, but maybe not by all that much. He's certainly not Ruggs out there. In terms of outrunning the competition, it's worth keeping in mind that he's playing against Pac-12 defenders. Not exactly the cream of the crop, generally speaking.

He doesn't need to be Ruggs, Ruggs is a different level of speed. There aren't many who ever played who are as fast as him, but you don't need to be Ruggs to succeed.

I'm just saying he doesn't look 4.5 on film. He's fast enough to create distance between him and the guy chasing him in some of the clips. They say he ran a 4.3 in college.

Re-reading my post, it comes off as more negative than I intended. I don't think his 4.5 is indicative, and I think he should be a good fit for our team. My bigger issue is how we're coming out of this round overall, and the fact that we only have three picks remaining. I'm cautiously optimistic about Aiyuk.

Also, I may have been too hard on Shanahan's scouting of WRs last night. Pettis is a headcase, but he can do what Shanahan thought he could on the field. That's more on the GM to find out than on the HC IMO.

I disagree with this viewpoint! He went on record saying that Ai-Yuck was his #1 rated receiver in this year’s class. Ahead of Ruggs, CeeDee Lamb, and Jerry Jeudy. That’s utterly ridiculous and sad to hear / witness. He’s stubborn and stuck on his ways...!

Shanahan has a huge influence on John Lynch in regard to player evaluations—type of receivers he wants based on his scheme. A GM de facto per se.

[Samurai]

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That's really misleading. Of course you're going to get clocked as fast when you're running back a kick in your highest gear. There's a place where they all get to kick it into their highest gear (combined with starting burst). It's called the NFL combine.

Aiyuk isn't NFL fast. He has average speed for an NFL receiver. And average size.

He's polished; he runs good routes. He's not a bad player. But at friggn' 25? That was insane.

The question is whether he is fast enough for the Niners. Judging by the clip, he is not likely to be caught from behind unless the defender has an angle or if the pass is underthrown.

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Note that on the 81-yard touchdown bomb against Oregon, that is Deommodore Lenoir that Aiyuk is blowing past and running away from. Lenoir runs a 4.4 40 (Aiyuk is listed as 4.5) but this is an example of why some scouts have said that Aiyuk's game speed is better than his timed speed.

[Dodub]

He doesn't need to be Ruggs, Ruggs is a different level of speed. There aren't many who ever played who are as fast as him, but you don't need to be Ruggs to succeed.

I'm just saying he doesn't look 4.5 on film. He's fast enough to create distance between him and the guy chasing him in some of the clips. They say he ran a 4.3 in college.

Re-reading my post, it comes off as more negative than I intended. I don't think his 4.5 is indicative, and I think he should be a good fit for our team. My bigger issue is how we're coming out of this round overall, and the fact that we only have three picks remaining. I'm cautiously optimistic about Aiyuk.

Also, I may have been too hard on Shanahan's scouting of WRs last night. Pettis is a headcase, but he can do what Shanahan thought he could on the field. That's more on the GM to find out than on the HC IMO.

I disagree with this viewpoint! He went on record saying that Ai-Yuck was his #1 rated receiver in this year’s class. Ahead of Ruggs, CeeDee Lamb, and Jerry Jeudy. That’s utterly ridiculous and sad to hear / witness. He’s stubborn and stuck on his ways...!

Shanahan has a huge influence on John Lynch in regard to player evaluations—type of receivers he wants based on his scheme. A GM de facto per se.

This is a fans perspective though. As a coach and a play caller, you get the guys that you want for your system and let the others keep their opinions.

The NFL simply did not view Lamb as the type of player that fans did as evidenced by his fall. I’ve seen Thats GM’s have commented on that this year saying just how wrong the boards and mock drafts were this year.

[GS Warriors 1]

Shanahan said last night that it was really close between Lamb and Aiyuk. It appears these were his top 2 guys.

[Samurai]

Shanahan said last night that it was really close between Lamb and Aiyuk. It appears these were his top 2 guys.

Yup, also interesting that he didn't mention Ruggs or Jeudy in that discussion. While he said that Aiyuk was his favorite and was among the "6 foundational players" Lynch discussed in his pre-draft presser, my guess is that he may have gone for Lamb if he were still available. Lynch said that Kinlaw was listed first among those 6 foundational players, which is why he was their clear choice to grab when he was still available for their first pick.

[Dodub]

Shanahan said last night that it was really close between Lamb and Aiyuk. It appears these were his top 2 guys.

Yup, also interesting that he didn't mention Ruggs or Jeudy in that discussion. While he said that Aiyuk was his favorite and was among the "6 foundational players" Lynch discussed in his pre-draft presser, my guess is that he may have gone for Lamb if he were still available. Lynch said that Kinlaw was listed first among those 6 foundational players, which is why he was their clear choice to grab when he was still available for their first pick.

Yeah it’s pretty clear that Kinlaw was top on their board. They passed on Lamb twice for him. They liked the idea of Kinlaw and Aiyuk over Lamb and someone not nearly as disruptive as Kinlaw.

Aiyuk and Lamb have tons of similarities including their general skill set. I do believe that if Lamb lasted to 25 then we possibly would of traded for him and not Aiyuk but I’m not at for sure.

[GS Warriors 1]

If Kinlaw was gone, I'm thinking they just trade down to a spot to take Aiyuk which adds picks in day 2 and 3. I think they may have moved down from 31 also. Day 2 targets could've been Ross Blacklock/DB/OL. Seems like they were looking at "space eaters" or 1T/A-gap DT's, more so than a straight up replacement for Buckner, which would've been someone like Gallimore/Madubuike.

[wco81]

What was Jerry Rice's 40 time?

Michael Irvin kept harping on the fact that Jeudy and Lamb and Jefferson too scored most of their TDs from the slot.

So maybe Kyle was looking for pure outside WR, not a slot guy?

[NinerSickness]

What was Jerry Rice's 40 time?

Michael Irvin kept harping on the fact that Jeudy and Lamb and Jefferson too scored most of their TDs from the slot.

So maybe Kyle was looking for pure outside WR, not a slot guy?

I don't think anyone is solely focusing on Aiyuk's 40 time. His game speed isn't particularly fast either. It's now slow; it's just not that fast.

[Dodub]

What was Jerry Rice's 40 time?

Michael Irvin kept harping on the fact that Jeudy and Lamb and Jefferson too scored most of their TDs from the slot.

So maybe Kyle was looking for pure outside WR, not a slot guy?

I don't think anyone is solely focusing on Aiyuk's 40 time. His game speed isn't particularly fast either. It's now slow; it's just not that fast.

I don’t agree with that. I’d argue that his game speed is similar to Lamb. He’s not a speedster in anyone’s book

[Samurai]

What was Jerry Rice's 40 time?

Michael Irvin kept harping on the fact that Jeudy and Lamb and Jefferson too scored most of their TDs from the slot.

So maybe Kyle was looking for pure outside WR, not a slot guy?

I don't think anyone is solely focusing on Aiyuk's 40 time. His game speed isn't particularly fast either. It's now slow; it's just not that fast.

Actually, it's the other way around. Scouting reports state that Aiyuk's game speed is faster than his 40 time. With some guys, Jerry Rice being the obvious example from the Niners, they tend to run faster with a ball in their hands and a DB chasing them than when they just line up to run a 40-yard dash. Scouts looking at his game film say he is fast; his 40 time says he isn't slow but not particularly fast.

[wco81]

Rice came out of his breaks perfectly and the ball got to him on time from Montana.

The guy he beat for 4 TDs in a game, Charley Dimry, was a 4.3 guy.

[arich35]

Last year everyone was pissed we didn't take DBs because they were so bad the year prior and we see how that turned out.
We can disagree with the picks but there is no reason to come after the player or give out dumbass nickname like Ai-Yuck. I trust Kyle and what he wants for his offense, everything I have seen is Aiyuk fits perfectly with our scheme and he is very similar to Sanders.

[NinerSickness]

What was Jerry Rice's 40 time?

Michael Irvin kept harping on the fact that Jeudy and Lamb and Jefferson too scored most of their TDs from the slot.

So maybe Kyle was looking for pure outside WR, not a slot guy?

I don't think anyone is solely focusing on Aiyuk's 40 time. His game speed isn't particularly fast either. It's now slow; it's just not that fast.

I don’t agree with that. I’d argue that his game speed is similar to Lamb. He’s not a speedster in anyone’s book

That's exactly what I'm saying. He's not a speedster, but he's not slow either.

[NinerSickness]

Rice came out of his breaks perfectly and the ball got to him on time from Montana.

The guy he beat for 4 TDs in a game, Charley Dimry, was a 4.3 guy.

Yes, you can be a great WR without burner speed. Rice, Fitzgerald, etc. But I don't think anyone's talking about Aiyuk being the next Fitz.

[NinerSickness]

Actually, it's the other way around. Scouting reports state that Aiyuk's game speed is faster than his 40 time. With some guys, Jerry Rice being the obvious example from the Niners, they tend to run faster with a ball in their hands and a DB chasing them than when they just line up to run a 40-yard dash. Scouts looking at his game film say he is fast; his 40 time says he isn't slow but not particularly fast.

I don't disagree with any of this. Like I said before: Aiyuk isn't a burner, but he's not slow either. His game speed is OK. And I think he'll be a pretty good WR. But I don't think he'll be anywhere near as valuable as some of the other guys who have gone and will go after him. JMHO.

[Bald Bull]

The strengths in this scouting report sound very shannahan.

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[Bald Bull]

I'm glad sickness settled in with the ai-yuck stuff, we saw what happened with nick the disappointment bosa. It's a good omen.

[wco81]

So they have no picks today do they?

No picks until the fifth round or something like that?

[Samurai]

I'm glad sickness settled in with the ai-yuck stuff, we saw what happened with nick the disappointment bosa. It's a good omen.

OMG = is that poster that doesn't like picking "ai-yuck" the same guy that was disappointed that we drafted Bosa?!? That is probably a bigger endorsement of Aiyuk than all the gushing that Shanahan made about Aiyuk being the top receiver on his list! His post on "ai-yuck" probably just punched Brandon's ticket to the Pro Bowl!