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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#481 » by CrimsonCrew » Tue Nov 26, 2024 11:04 pm

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Yes, and Mahomes also won a superbowl with a bottom half defense. It doesn’t matter how his team is limited, he just finds a way to win.


When did he do that? In 2019, their D was 7th in points allowed (we were 8th). They were 17th in yards allowed - so technically "bottom half," but barely. Points allowed is a better metric for evaluating a unit, though it lacks nuance. In 2022, they were 16th in points and 11th in yards. Last year their D was second in points and yards.

Let's take a closer look at that 2022 SB win, as that's clearly the year their D was the worst. In the divisional game, they allowed 20 points against the Jaguars (including a FG with 30 seconds left).

In the AFCCG, they held the Bengals to 20 points. They had two INTs and five sacks of Burrow. The Chiefs scored 10 points in the second half as Mahomes lost a fumble and they punted three times. After the Bengals tied the game, the D held the Bengals to drives of 17 yards and 29 yards to keep them in it. The D forced a punt and the STs returned it 29 yards to set Mahomes up for the winning FG, and that drive netted five yards until a boneheaded unnecessary roughness penalty put them in FG range and basically handed them the win. The offense did the heavy lifting in a SB that was a real shootout. Again, nothing against Mahomes. He's incredible. But he didn't exactly do it himself.

And the discussion is not Mahomes vs. Purdy. Mahomes is a once-in-a-generation player. We missed out on him (thanks for not scouting QBs that year, Kyle....). If the fallback plan is to wait for a Mahomes, we're going to be disappointed. But even Mahomes needs help.


Every QB needs help, but the greats can win with less help than the mediocre guys. Mahomes has consistently gone deep in the playoffs with teams that were far from perfect. It's better to have a great QB who can elevate a team out of mediocrity rather than one who needs everything around him to be perfect to succeed.


This is a pretty pointless post. Again, we're not getting Mahomes. But saying everything needs to be perfect around Purdy to win is laughable in light of the playoffs last year.

Our D was shaky at best in the playoffs last year, particularly the first two rounds. McCaffrey was not special as a runner. We fell way behind and Purdy had to will us to victory in both games prior to the SB (granted his struggles in the rain against the Packers was a big part of why we trailed). In the SB, Deebo was awful. I still have no idea why we kept calling plays to him. Our OL couldn't handle the blitz scheme. Purdy still did enough to win that game if any one of about eight plays go a different way (just off the top of my head, not stopping Mahomes on 4th down in OT, botching the play call and execution on the 3rd and 5 that could have salted the game away, Burford leaving Jones unblocked on the 3rd down in the red zone in OT, Luter letting the punt hit him, the missed XP, the no-call on a blatant hold against Hargrave on 3rd and long when Mahomes ran for it, etc., etc.).
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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#482 » by CrimsonCrew » Tue Nov 26, 2024 11:05 pm

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CrimsonCrew wrote:Just started watching this, but two minutes in it's a huge indictment of Sorenson. 3rd and 4, they shift from a 2x2 to a 3x1 (not a complicated shift, and something we see a lot because we can't cover bunch formations) and the defense doesn't appear to adjust for the motion at all on the side that now has to cover three receivers. Primary and secondary read both wide open.

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Yeah, Sorenson ain't him.

He's completely clueless on how to even attempt to make adjustments.

He just runs the same thing over, and over, and over, and over again. Doesn't matter what the scoreboard/clock says. Doesn't matter what personnel he has available. Doesn't matter what the down and distance is.

Sorenson literally has no redeeming qualities. At least with Wilks you could say, at least he was making solid 2nd half adjustments, and he had pretty much all the DB's elevate their play overall.


It's like he's never even considered calling plays situationally before. It's almost like when I played Madden in my teens, except I was much more aggressive.
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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#483 » by CrimsonCrew » Tue Nov 26, 2024 11:07 pm

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CrimsonCrew wrote:I think I had blocked out the blatant drop by Watson just before half (or forgotten when it occurred). That should have been an easy TD. Our defense is so bad.


I say it every week in the game threads, the defense's best source of resistance is luck.

So, so, so many times they have been bailed out by unforced mistakes by the offense.


The coordinator can just make such a big difference. Wilks had his issues, but he was so much better than Sorenson. And look what Fangio is doing with Philly. That team is easily top-2 in the conference, and a lot of that is due to him (granted they added two really good DBs through the draft).
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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#484 » by Pattersonca65 » Wed Nov 27, 2024 12:43 am

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CrimsonCrew wrote:I think I had blocked out the blatant drop by Watson just before half (or forgotten when it occurred). That should have been an easy TD. Our defense is so bad.


I say it every week in the game threads, the defense's best source of resistance is luck.

So, so, so many times they have been bailed out by unforced mistakes by the offense.


The coordinator can just make such a big difference. Wilks had his issues, but he was so much better than Sorenson. And look what Fangio is doing with Philly. That team is easily top-2 in the conference, and a lot of that is due to him (granted they added two really good DBs through the draft).


The 49ers didn't seem interested in fangio because he wasn't a scheme fit. The one thing that is nice about OC's like Fangio and Spagnolo is they had already failed as HCs and they don't get poached like younger DCs that are successful
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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#485 » by Big J » Wed Nov 27, 2024 12:45 am

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When did he do that? In 2019, their D was 7th in points allowed (we were 8th). They were 17th in yards allowed - so technically "bottom half," but barely. Points allowed is a better metric for evaluating a unit, though it lacks nuance. In 2022, they were 16th in points and 11th in yards. Last year their D was second in points and yards.

Let's take a closer look at that 2022 SB win, as that's clearly the year their D was the worst. In the divisional game, they allowed 20 points against the Jaguars (including a FG with 30 seconds left).

In the AFCCG, they held the Bengals to 20 points. They had two INTs and five sacks of Burrow. The Chiefs scored 10 points in the second half as Mahomes lost a fumble and they punted three times. After the Bengals tied the game, the D held the Bengals to drives of 17 yards and 29 yards to keep them in it. The D forced a punt and the STs returned it 29 yards to set Mahomes up for the winning FG, and that drive netted five yards until a boneheaded unnecessary roughness penalty put them in FG range and basically handed them the win. The offense did the heavy lifting in a SB that was a real shootout. Again, nothing against Mahomes. He's incredible. But he didn't exactly do it himself.

And the discussion is not Mahomes vs. Purdy. Mahomes is a once-in-a-generation player. We missed out on him (thanks for not scouting QBs that year, Kyle....). If the fallback plan is to wait for a Mahomes, we're going to be disappointed. But even Mahomes needs help.


Every QB needs help, but the greats can win with less help than the mediocre guys. Mahomes has consistently gone deep in the playoffs with teams that were far from perfect. It's better to have a great QB who can elevate a team out of mediocrity rather than one who needs everything around him to be perfect to succeed.


First off, of-effing-course its better to have a great QB. What the hell are we even talking about here?

Secondly, apparently you haven't noticed but unquestionably great QB's are a little hard to come by.

Thirdly, you are insinuating that SF was a perfect team last season. Which makes it quite obvious you have no idea what you are seeing, if you even watch games that is.


Great QB's are hard to come by, but they aren't as rare as you are making them seem. Look at how many elite or borderline elite QB's are in the league currently: Mahomes, Allen, Burrow, Lamar, Stafford, Daniels, Stroud, Herbert & Kyler. That is 9 guys that have elite tools. If Kyle had had any of them we win either Superbowl that we played.
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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#486 » by thesack12 » Wed Nov 27, 2024 1:18 am

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Every QB needs help, but the greats can win with less help than the mediocre guys. Mahomes has consistently gone deep in the playoffs with teams that were far from perfect. It's better to have a great QB who can elevate a team out of mediocrity rather than one who needs everything around him to be perfect to succeed.


First off, of-effing-course its better to have a great QB. What the hell are we even talking about here?

Secondly, apparently you haven't noticed but unquestionably great QB's are a little hard to come by.

Thirdly, you are insinuating that SF was a perfect team last season. Which makes it quite obvious you have no idea what you are seeing, if you even watch games that is.


Great QB's are hard to come by, but they aren't as rare as you are making them seem. Look at how many elite or borderline elite QB's are in the league currently: Mahomes, Allen, Burrow, Lamar, Stafford, Daniels, Stroud, Herbert & Kyler. That is 9 guys that have elite tools. If Kyle had had any of them we win either Superbowl that we played.


Yeah, I'm failing to see how anybody on that list not named Mahomes or Stafford has done more winning than Purdy has.

BTW, if Tartt doesn't butterfinger that layup of an interception, Stafford's name wouldn't be associated with the super bowl.

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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#487 » by Big J » Wed Nov 27, 2024 1:33 am

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First off, of-effing-course its better to have a great QB. What the hell are we even talking about here?

Secondly, apparently you haven't noticed but unquestionably great QB's are a little hard to come by.

Thirdly, you are insinuating that SF was a perfect team last season. Which makes it quite obvious you have no idea what you are seeing, if you even watch games that is.


Great QB's are hard to come by, but they aren't as rare as you are making them seem. Look at how many elite or borderline elite QB's are in the league currently: Mahomes, Allen, Burrow, Lamar, Stafford, Daniels, Stroud, Herbert & Kyler. That is 9 guys that have elite tools. If Kyle had had any of them we win either Superbowl that we played.


Yeah, I'm failing to see how anybody on that list not named Mahomes or Stafford has done more winning than Purdy has.

BTW, if Tartt doesn't butterfinger that layup of an interception, Stafford's name wouldn't be associated with the super bowl.

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Yes, and Purdy has done less winning than Jimmy. None of these other guys had Kyle's system & the Avengers to work with.
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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#488 » by thesack12 » Wed Nov 27, 2024 2:15 am

Big J wrote:
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Big J wrote:
Great QB's are hard to come by, but they aren't as rare as you are making them seem. Look at how many elite or borderline elite QB's are in the league currently: Mahomes, Allen, Burrow, Lamar, Stafford, Daniels, Stroud, Herbert & Kyler. That is 9 guys that have elite tools. If Kyle had had any of them we win either Superbowl that we played.


Yeah, I'm failing to see how anybody on that list not named Mahomes or Stafford has done more winning than Purdy has.

BTW, if Tartt doesn't butterfinger that layup of an interception, Stafford's name wouldn't be associated with the super bowl.

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Yes, and Purdy has done less winning than Jimmy. None of these other guys had Kyle's system & the Avengers to work with.


Wrong.

Garoppolo: 2 NFCCG's, 1 Super Bowl appearance
Purdy: 2 NFCCG's, 1 Super Bowl appearance

And just so you know, Garropolo did that in 5 seasons, Purdy did it in 2.
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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#489 » by Pattersonca65 » Wed Nov 27, 2024 4:58 am

thesack12 wrote:
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Yeah, I'm failing to see how anybody on that list not named Mahomes or Stafford has done more winning than Purdy has.

BTW, if Tartt doesn't butterfinger that layup of an interception, Stafford's name wouldn't be associated with the super bowl.

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Yes, and Purdy has done less winning than Jimmy. None of these other guys had Kyle's system & the Avengers to work with.


Wrong.

Garoppolo: 2 NFCCG's, 1 Super Bowl appearance
Purdy: 2 NFCCG's, 1 Super Bowl appearance

And just so you know, Garropolo did that in 5 seasons, Purdy did it in 2.


Dont you feel like banging your head against the wall having to read this constant stupidity? Funny because all these guys with so called elite skills have won jack sh-t except for Mahomes. This guy has advoxated for the 49ers to pull every qb off the street. The funniest one was a week.or so ago suggesting the 49ers should pick up Deshaun Watson
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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#490 » by Big J » Wed Nov 27, 2024 2:47 pm

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Yes, and Purdy has done less winning than Jimmy. None of these other guys had Kyle's system & the Avengers to work with.


Wrong.

Garoppolo: 2 NFCCG's, 1 Super Bowl appearance
Purdy: 2 NFCCG's, 1 Super Bowl appearance

And just so you know, Garropolo did that in 5 seasons, Purdy did it in 2.


Dont you feel like banging your head against the wall having to read this constant stupidity? Funny because all these guys with so called elite skills have won jack sh-t except for Mahomes. This guy has advoxated for the 49ers to pull every qb off the street. The funniest one was a week.or so ago suggesting the 49ers should pick up Deshaun Watson


Texans Watson was a top 5 QB. If current Watson can get back to that it would be a game changer.
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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#491 » by Big J » Wed Nov 27, 2024 3:57 pm

Vikings just got Daniel Jones… and we’re good with Purdy & Brandon Allen. Smh
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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#492 » by 49er4life1979 » Wed Nov 27, 2024 9:14 pm

Fred Warner just confirmed he's been playing with a fractured bone in his ankle since Week 4. WOW. They havent even been listing him on the injury report and he's been fully practicing.
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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#493 » by thesack12 » Thu Nov 28, 2024 12:11 am

Big J wrote:Vikings just got Daniel Jones… and we’re good with Purdy & Brandon Allen. Smh


At this point Jones isn't clearly better than even Josh Dobbs.

Shuffling the backup QB deck, solves exactly zero of the serious problems this team is facing right now.
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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#494 » by thesack12 » Thu Nov 28, 2024 12:14 am

49er4life1979 wrote:Fred Warner just confirmed he's been playing with a fractured bone in his ankle since Week 4. WOW. They havent even been listing him on the injury report and he's been fully practicing.


Dude is just a damn warrior. Gotta give the man some respect and props for sucking that up and playing.

This also explains why his play has fallen off after his torrid start the the season.

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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#495 » by thesack12 » Thu Nov 28, 2024 12:15 am

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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#496 » by CharityStripe34 » Thu Nov 28, 2024 12:43 am

People arguing the QB failing to mention the elephant in the room of the 49ers shoddy drafting catching up to them.

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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#497 » by CharityStripe34 » Thu Nov 28, 2024 12:48 am

My luck is impeccable. I have great Tix to the game in Buffalo only for the 49ers roster/playoff hopes to all but fall apart AND for there to be the first major snowfall of the year that night

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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#498 » by zman1 » Thu Nov 28, 2024 3:46 am

49er4life1979 wrote:Fred Warner just confirmed he's been playing with a fractured bone in his ankle since Week 4. WOW. They havent even been listing him on the injury report and he's been fully practicing.
Just read that. At least it explains the drop off. I hope it doesn't cause long term effects.

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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#499 » by arich35 » Thu Nov 28, 2024 5:05 am

CharityStripe34 wrote:People arguing the QB failing to mention the elephant in the room of the 49ers shoddy drafting catching up to them.

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We have also hit on a lot of draft picks. Would be interested to see how we stack up against other teams with hits and misses
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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#500 » by CrimsonCrew » Thu Nov 28, 2024 2:24 pm

Big J wrote:Vikings just got Daniel Jones… and we’re good with Purdy & Brandon Allen. Smh


The Niners went after Jones. In that situation, it's up too the player.

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