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Re: The Brock Purdy Thread 

Post#501 » by Big J » Mon Oct 16, 2023 6:04 pm

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Everyday it is something new with this troll.

He said this before the Dallas game

My guess is that he's going to look a lot more like Jimmy in this game than some world beater. His limitations are going to be more apparent against a good D.

The troll was wrong again. So he has to scour the internet to find a Purdy doubter following the game and then he makes up crap like the WRs were all wide open when anyone who watched the game could see many of the throws were made in tight windows. Now, his latest thing is Purdy is going to struggle in the playoffs in the cold weather. LOL


Look who was right about how he'd look against a good defense in bad weather.


Missed this post. I mean, predict an outcome enough times and eventually you'll get it right. You also predicted he'd struggle against the Cowboys and he lit them up.

The entire team, especially the offense, looked off yesterday. Is a hefty chunk of that on the QB? Absolutely. But his supporting cast didn't show up, either. I'll do a quick game review in another post.


That’s my point. I’ve been saying this whole time that they are the ones making him look as good as he does. Sunday is what he would always look like if he was on a different team.
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Re: The Brock Purdy Thread 

Post#502 » by Pattersonca65 » Mon Oct 16, 2023 6:12 pm

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His playmakers must not have carried him today


Hurts is already a proven commodity. High pedigree, and he damn near won a superbowl. Purdy is still being judged game to game.


Moving the bar again, I see


He moves the bar every game
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Re: The Brock Purdy Thread 

Post#503 » by Pattersonca65 » Mon Oct 16, 2023 6:13 pm

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Samurai wrote:Must be due to Hurts just being a system QB/game manager who only wins because he has a good head coach. :wink:


His playmakers must not have carried him today


Hurts is already a proven commodity. High pedigree, and he damn near won a superbowl. Purdy is still being judged game to game.


Proven commodity until he has a bad game. He must not have that extra gear.
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Re: The Brock Purdy Thread 

Post#504 » by Pattersonca65 » Mon Oct 16, 2023 6:14 pm

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Look who was right about how he'd look against a good defense in bad weather.


Missed this post. I mean, predict an outcome enough times and eventually you'll get it right. You also predicted he'd struggle against the Cowboys and he lit them up.

The entire team, especially the offense, looked off yesterday. Is a hefty chunk of that on the QB? Absolutely. But his supporting cast didn't show up, either. I'll do a quick game review in another post.


That’s my point. I’ve been saying this whole time that they are the ones making him look as good as he does. Sunday is what he would always look like if he was on a different team.


Sure, pure projection
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Re: The Brock Purdy Thread 

Post#505 » by CrimsonCrew » Mon Oct 16, 2023 6:20 pm

So, drive-by-drive review of the offense and Purdy, as best I can remember it:

We scored on the first drive without Brock doing much of anything. I don't really count shovel passes as TD passes (though I would count his backward pass to McCaffrey a couple weeks ago to be a TD pass, so they probably shake out in the wash).

Next drive, poor playcall and execution (Garrett just tossed big Trent, McCaffrey ran into him, and there were two LBs on top of him as soon as he caught it) led to an immediate eight-yard loss. Then Kittle had a false start. Suddenly it was 2nd and 23. I thought Samuel dropped the second-down pass, but it was not a great ball and would have resulted in 3rd and 17 or so even if caught. We ran on 3rd and 23 and then missed the FG (and Deebo was hurt).

Next drive, Purdy converted a pass to Kittle on 3rd and 3, but penalty on Burford led to a 3rd and 13. Under quick pressure, Purdy uncorked what I thought was a nice ball to Aiyuk, but Aiyuk couldn't bring it in. Was it a "drop"? I don't know. It wasn't an easy ball. But it hit his hands and he usually catches those. He needed to here for what could have been a big play, likely a TD. We punted.

Next drive, Purdy had a couple nice connections including a longer ball to Aiyuk. He scrambled for the first on 3rd and 2 (or maybe this was the long sneak?). After running it twice in the red zone, Purdy got it to CMC for four. No great looks, though I think McCloud could have picked up the first down if Purdy hit him in the middle (probably would have been close). I think he was the third read at best. We were about to go up 10-0 at worst and our D looked in control, so I wouldn't be surprised if Shanahan played it safe.

Next drive we did a lot of running. Solid pass to Juice for nine on first down. This is the drive where he missed CMC on a likely TD if he hit him. Should have thrown the ball inside, threw it outside instead. He was under quite a bit of pressure as memory serves. Hit Jennings on a decent ball, though Jennings made a nice grab at full extension. That's when the weather started in and Purdy seemed affected. The ball wasn't coming out cleanly. We had the delay of game penalty (looked like McCloud was uncertain of his motion covering for Deebo). Then Purdy lost the ball and got sacked.

Next drive to start the second half was the INT. Just an inaccurate ball. Looked like it slipped and didn't come out cleanly, but so it goes. Got to play through weather sometimes.

Next drive they blitzed on the first play and it wasn't picked up. Possibly Purdy should have seen it, or Mitchell should have picked it up, but it was play action, so hard for me to say. Immediately lost 10. We basically phoned the drive in with a short pass and a run.

Next drive we gained six on first down, but a hold wiped it out. Then a false start. It became first and 25. Purdy was sacked (can't really remember this one), and we just ran it twice and punted.

Next drive he almost hit Aiyuk on the out route on 3rd and 10, but it was too far ahead of him. Got the TD on the next drive after the Demo INT.

Then the drive where we could have salted it away. Browns were getting consistent pressure by this point. Had the intentional grounding on immediate pressure and then a throwaway on third and 11.

Then the final drive. Got bailed out with a PI on third down, but it was a legit penalty. He hit Aiyuk, and admittedly Aiyuk did most of that after the catch. Then he hit Aiyuk again, converted to Jennings. We ran it once and that was it. I thought that was a mistake. The offense was actually starting to click, had the D on their heels a bit. I would have run another play or two.

Anyway, no major revelations here. Purdy didn't look like himself. But circumstances out of his control also repeatedly backed us up and put us in tough situations. The pass rush was unrelenting, and the Browns were able to disrupt timing with man coverage. To me, that was arguably the story for our offense. Purdy has been so good because of his ability to anticipate where his receivers and defenders will be. But if a defense can disrupt that timing, it can be a problem. A couple misses to Aiyuk could probably be chalked up to man coverage and some contact at the line. Greg Olsen was probably right that we should have gotten Kittle more involved as he's a great weapon against man. And of course, losing CMC hurts a lot against man D.

Got to chalk it up and move on, learn from it, and get that passion back for next week. We absolutely have to beat the Vikings.
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Re: The Brock Purdy Thread 

Post#506 » by CrimsonCrew » Mon Oct 16, 2023 6:23 pm

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Actually, I think he's been a big part of a lot of the wins. Similar to how Jimmy & Kirk Cousins have both had a lot of great regular season games. My problem is that he doesn't have an extra gear that the top guys have, and I think it will cost in the playoffs.


Jimmy never strung regular season games like that. Obvious you don't watch the games


He looked a lot like bad Jimmy against the Browns.


I don't agree with that. He didn't have blatantly awful decisions the way Jimmy does. The INT was a good read, bad throw that was likely affected by the weather. The combination of the weather and the unrelenting pass rush seemed to really affect his ability to deliver the ball. Is that a concern going forward? Absolutely. But it's not something that should make anyone throw in the towel on the guy. Even great players have stinkers in tough situations when the team around them doesn't show up.
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Re: The Brock Purdy Thread 

Post#507 » by CrimsonCrew » Mon Oct 16, 2023 6:24 pm

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CrimsonCrew wrote:
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Look who was right about how he'd look against a good defense in bad weather.


Missed this post. I mean, predict an outcome enough times and eventually you'll get it right. You also predicted he'd struggle against the Cowboys and he lit them up.

The entire team, especially the offense, looked off yesterday. Is a hefty chunk of that on the QB? Absolutely. But his supporting cast didn't show up, either. I'll do a quick game review in another post.


That’s my point. I’ve been saying this whole time that they are the ones making him look as good as he does. Sunday is what he would always look like if he was on a different team.


There's not making plays and then there's actively hurting the team. We had maybe eight offensive penalties that put us behind the chains. Again, I'm not absolving Purdy of responsibility. But the team around him just fell apart as much or more than he did.
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Re: The Brock Purdy Thread 

Post#508 » by Samurai » Mon Oct 16, 2023 6:33 pm

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Actually, I think he's been a big part of a lot of the wins. Similar to how Jimmy & Kirk Cousins have both had a lot of great regular season games. My problem is that he doesn't have an extra gear that the top guys have, and I think it will cost in the playoffs.


Jimmy never strung regular season games like that. Obvious you don't watch the games


He looked a lot like bad Jimmy against the Browns.

Let's be real - most of the team looked like bad Jimmy against the Browns. Purdy for sure. The interior of our O-line still hasn't figured out where Dalvin Tomlinson is, which not only stopped our running game but didn't give Purdy time to throw. Aiyuk had two drops; tough catches for sure but certainly the type that he has typically made so far this season. Our TE's were MIA in the passing game, and their impact was sorely missed since short passes were all we had time for. Purdy had his worst game so far, but he had plenty of "help" in achieving that result. And obviously losing Deebo really hurt since he typically does very well against aggressive defenses like the blitz-happy Giants.
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Re: The Brock Purdy Thread 

Post#509 » by CrimsonCrew » Mon Oct 16, 2023 6:48 pm

PFF grades out and Big Trent (no doubt hampered by the ankle) had a 33.8 pass-blocking grade. Banks had an overall grade of 49, though I'm not sure of the breakdown. When far and away your best OL is struggling that much, it's bad news for the QB. Especially when the rest of the OL is nothing special.
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Re: The Brock Purdy Thread 

Post#510 » by Big J » Mon Oct 16, 2023 7:33 pm

Look, I really hate knocking Purdy, because he seems like a really nice kid. Just trying to be honest about his true value here, and I find it hard to believe that the team can win with a limited QB. You see the limitations more in a game like the Browns one because of the weather and the missing playmakers. Does anyone actually believe that he'd be killing it as much as he is if he were on a different team?
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Re: The Brock Purdy Thread 

Post#511 » by CrimsonCrew » Mon Oct 16, 2023 7:40 pm

Big J wrote:Look, I really hate knocking Purdy, because he seems like a really nice kid. Just trying to be honest about his true value here, and I find it hard to believe that the team can win with a limited QB. You see the limitations more in a game like the Browns one because of the weather and the missing playmakers. Does anyone actually believe that he'd be killing it as much as he is if he were on a different team?


The team is winning with him, though. And could have won yesterday because, after four quarters of grinding, he buckled his helmet back on and went out and made the plays we needed to win (even though, ultimately, we didn't). He didn't press and make the big mistake, as Hurts did yesterday, for example. He played within himself, got the ball out quickly to his skill players (including Jauan Jennings, who is a very solid wide receiver, but certainly nothing special), and had us in position to win despite a pretty darn rough game across the board.

Would he be as good as he is on another team? Probably not. He has arguably the best supporting cast of skill players in the league, and almost certainly the best LT. But the reality is that many NFL teams have really good collections of skill players. And our OL as a whole is probably average at best. If you put him on the Eagles, I think he'd be comparable or possibly even better given their better OL. If you put him on Dallas, I think he would be in the ballpark (though that coaching staff is not good). If you dropped him on the Panthers, I expect he would struggle. But I would expect that of almost anyone.
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Re: The Brock Purdy Thread 

Post#512 » by Pattersonca65 » Mon Oct 16, 2023 7:49 pm

Big J wrote:Look, I really hate knocking Purdy, because he seems like a really nice kid. Just trying to be honest about his true value here, and I find it hard to believe that the team can win with a limited QB. You see the limitations more in a game like the Browns one because of the weather and the missing playmakers. Does anyone actually believe that he'd be killing it as much as he is if he were on a different team?


Limited to you maybe. You would rather stick with a guy with strong arm but is inaccurate and can't read a defense. Imaginary potential
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Re: The Brock Purdy Thread 

Post#513 » by Big J » Mon Oct 16, 2023 7:52 pm

Pattersonca65 wrote:
Big J wrote:Look, I really hate knocking Purdy, because he seems like a really nice kid. Just trying to be honest about his true value here, and I find it hard to believe that the team can win with a limited QB. You see the limitations more in a game like the Browns one because of the weather and the missing playmakers. Does anyone actually believe that he'd be killing it as much as he is if he were on a different team?


Limited to you maybe. You would rather stick with a guy with strong arm but is inaccurate and can't read a defense. Imaginary potential


Limited to me? Bro, take off your homer goggles and go listen to any national media member and they are going to tell you that he's limited physically.
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Re: The Brock Purdy Thread 

Post#514 » by arich35 » Mon Oct 16, 2023 8:10 pm

Big J wrote:
Pattersonca65 wrote:
Big J wrote:Look, I really hate knocking Purdy, because he seems like a really nice kid. Just trying to be honest about his true value here, and I find it hard to believe that the team can win with a limited QB. You see the limitations more in a game like the Browns one because of the weather and the missing playmakers. Does anyone actually believe that he'd be killing it as much as he is if he were on a different team?


Limited to you maybe. You would rather stick with a guy with strong arm but is inaccurate and can't read a defense. Imaginary potential


Limited to me? Bro, take off your homer goggles and go listen to any national media member and they are going to tell you that he's limited physically.


Then why do you keep ignoring everything good they say about him?
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Re: The Brock Purdy Thread 

Post#515 » by Big J » Mon Oct 16, 2023 8:16 pm

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Limited to you maybe. You would rather stick with a guy with strong arm but is inaccurate and can't read a defense. Imaginary potential


Limited to me? Bro, take off your homer goggles and go listen to any national media member and they are going to tell you that he's limited physically.


Then why do you keep ignoring everything good they say about him?


I'm not. I agree with them that he is a very accurate passer, and he does a really good job of running Kyles system.
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Re: The Brock Purdy Thread 

Post#516 » by Pattersonca65 » Mon Oct 16, 2023 9:26 pm

Big J wrote:
Pattersonca65 wrote:
Big J wrote:Look, I really hate knocking Purdy, because he seems like a really nice kid. Just trying to be honest about his true value here, and I find it hard to believe that the team can win with a limited QB. You see the limitations more in a game like the Browns one because of the weather and the missing playmakers. Does anyone actually believe that he'd be killing it as much as he is if he were on a different team?


Limited to you maybe. You would rather stick with a guy with strong arm but is inaccurate and can't read a defense. Imaginary potential


Limited to me? Bro, take off your homer goggles and go listen to any national media member and they are going to tell you that he's limited physically.

The ones you choose to want to listen to. Bro, you would rather start another guy who is a third stringer because in your imagination he has some sort of imaginary potential to win a super bowl
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Re: The Brock Purdy Thread 

Post#517 » by Pattersonca65 » Mon Oct 16, 2023 9:28 pm

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Limited to you maybe. You would rather stick with a guy with strong arm but is inaccurate and can't read a defense. Imaginary potential


Limited to me? Bro, take off your homer goggles and go listen to any national media member and they are going to tell you that he's limited physically.


Then why do you keep ignoring everything good they say about him?


He's had an agenda ever since they traded his man crush away
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Re: The Brock Purdy Thread 

Post#518 » by Big J » Mon Oct 16, 2023 9:40 pm

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Limited to me? Bro, take off your homer goggles and go listen to any national media member and they are going to tell you that he's limited physically.


Then why do you keep ignoring everything good they say about him?


He's had an agenda ever since they traded his man crush away


Just listed 2 things Purdy does well, but whatevs.
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Re: The Brock Purdy Thread 

Post#519 » by arich35 » Tue Oct 17, 2023 12:20 am

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Then why do you keep ignoring everything good they say about him?


He's had an agenda ever since they traded his man crush away


Just listed 2 things Purdy does well, but whatevs.


One of which is a backhanded compliment that you have mentioned over and over. You think Purdy is a system QB and is only good because of Kyle's QB friendly system and the playmakers
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Re: The Brock Purdy Thread 

Post#520 » by Big J » Tue Oct 17, 2023 12:49 am

arich35 wrote:
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He's had an agenda ever since they traded his man crush away


Just listed 2 things Purdy does well, but whatevs.


One of which is a backhanded compliment that you have mentioned over and over. You think Purdy is a system QB and is only good because of Kyle's QB friendly system and the playmakers


I think they make him look much better than he is in reality. People say that Kirk Cousins is a system QB as well, and Purdy isn't any better than him.

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