2025 OFFSEASON

[clyde21]

I'm not even sure why you would give Brock an extension this off-season at this point, just play the year out

[Samurai]

Juice to be released. Appreciate all he provided but given his current production versus his salary, its the right move going forward.

[Pattersonca65]

Saleh is going to feel like it is 2017

[RIPskaterdude]

Saleh is going to feel like it is 2017

Win win for him. Low expectations with all the vets leaving, but if he turns around the defense, probably gets another HC job

[RIPskaterdude]

Yeah, as soon as Kinlaw got his money, Allen was too rich for this team

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[CrimsonCrew]

Niners signed Richie Grant, PFF's 166th graded player of 170 at the safety position. Yay???? You've got to have an awful lot of faith in your evaluation to think you can turn a guy who has been that bad into something. Though maybe he's a good STs player.

[SK21209]

I wouldn't go so far as to say that its a "rebuild" yet. I'd call it a still call it a re-tool, which may be a distinction without a difference. We've lost:

An off-ball LB, who was the 2nd best LB on the team

A safety whose replacement was drafted last year and played pretty well

A LG that has shown flashes of good play when he's been healthy, but hasn't been healthy for a couple of years and was outplayed by his replacements

Our former CB1 who understandably struggled this year with tragic and unimaginable off-the-field issues, and was overtaken by Lenoir

A backup RB who hasn't been able to stay on the field and has been replaced by Mason, Guerendo and Taylor

A swing tackle that I guess we decided couldn't play RT, and got low-end starter money we probably shouldn't have matched

Our QB3 who probably should have been QB2 and seemed discontent

I think these losses are more emotionally impactful than detrimental on-field. Specifically, Greenlaw and Huf are the guys fans are sad about losing. I get it and am bummed out too, those guys were the heart and soul of the defense. But ultimately, one doesn't play a premium position, is coming off an Achilles, and will always have some injury concern due to play style, and the other guy has similar health/play-style concerns and we have a replacement in-house. I think a lot of teams would have let them move on as well.

The only think I'm actually annoyed by is that we didn't bring in Dalman or Kelly. I get that York doesn't think we're as close to winning the SB as we have been the last few years so we're reeling in our cash spending a bit, but Dalman is a good young center whose father played for the organization and could have solved a glaring issue. Kelly is older, but could have been a better stop-gap option than Brendel while we try to draft and develop a center of the future. Now we're looking at drafting a center in a not so great center draft when we have a bunch of other needs at more premium positions.

[49er4life1979]

Jordan Mason has been tendered a 2nd rounder. $5.4 million. All but guarantees he's staying this year. I like it. Albeit a pretty expensive RB room.

[clyde21]

We have like 5 glaring holes on our front 7 lmao

[CrimsonCrew]

I wouldn't go so far as to say that its a "rebuild" yet. I'd call it a still call it a re-tool, which may be a distinction without a difference. We've lost:

An off-ball LB, who was the 2nd best LB on the team

A safety whose replacement was drafted last year and played pretty well

A LG that has shown flashes of good play when he's been healthy, but hasn't been healthy for a couple of years and was outplayed by his replacements

Our former CB1 who understandably struggled this year with tragic and unimaginable off-the-field issues, and was overtaken by Lenoir

A backup RB who hasn't been able to stay on the field and has been replaced by Mason, Guerendo and Taylor

A swing tackle that I guess we decided couldn't play RT, and got low-end starter money we probably shouldn't have matched

Our QB3 who probably should have been QB2 and seemed discontent

I think these losses are more emotionally impactful than detrimental on-field. Specifically, Greenlaw and Huf are the guys fans are sad about losing. I get it and am bummed out too, those guys were the heart and soul of the defense. But ultimately, one doesn't play a premium position, is coming off an Achilles, and will always have some injury concern due to play style, and the other guy has similar health/play-style concerns and we have a replacement in-house. I think a lot of teams would have let them move on as well.

The only think I'm actually annoyed by is that we didn't bring in Dalman or Kelly. I get that York doesn't think we're as close to winning the SB as we have been the last few years so we're reeling in our cash spending a bit, but Dalman is a good young center whose father played for the organization and could have solved a glaring issue. Kelly is older, but could have been a better stop-gap option than Brendel while we try to draft and develop a center of the future. Now we're looking at drafting a center in a not so great center draft when we have a bunch of other needs at more premium positions.

Agree that Dalman and Kelly are the ones that hurt. Dalman was pricey, but I figured he'd get more like $16 or 17 million/year. Three years for $14 million is very reasonable for what he brings given he should be entering his prime. And Kelly for $9 million/year for two years would have been a no-brainer after missing on Dalman.

I am extremely concerned about center. It was easily the biggest problem for us on offense. I don't see a rookie who is likely ready to come in and start. Brendel was AWFUL last year, particularly in pass-blocking. Is Zakelj ready? He sure couldn't be worse than Brendel, but it's hard to see him getting the nod while Brendel is still on the team. We seem to have gone away from the meritocracy that dominated this team early in the Shanahan era, and now certain vets - especially along the OL - seem to have their positions handed to them.

In terms of FA losses, Greenlaw is the one that stings the most. Losing Huf will hurt - I think his loss was a big part of our struggles against the run in the 2023 playoffs and last season. But as said, we have a solid replacement for him who brings more athleticism. We really don't for Greenlaw, and when healthy he's easily a top-10 LB. Although he was relatively expensive for an off-ball LB, I think he will be worth the contract he got, assuming he's healthy (which, to be fair, could be a big if). We already saw him return to dominant play last year, he just couldn't sustain it because of lingering issues. But assuming those issues clear up over the off-season, that contract could look like a steal in a year or two.

[CrimsonCrew]

We have like 5 glaring holes on our front 7 lmao

Gaping. It's really just Bosa and Warner. We could probably get by at DE with a platoon of Floyd, Gross-Matos, Okuayinonu, and Beal, presumably with a draft pick in the first four rounds added in, but it's not going to be a position of strength like that. Adding Joey Bosa would really help, though it's got to be for a reasonable, incentive-laden contract.

I think Evan Anderson is our best DT. He was fine as a run stuffer, but you don't feel good about him starting. Jordan Elliott was a huge liability against the run last year, despite Kyle referring to him as our best run stuffer at one point. I've got to think they'll add some bargain basement FAs who couldn't be all that much worse than Elliott and Hargrave were last year, and they'll probably draft at least two, but it's still paper thin.

At LB, other than Fred, it's not great. Winters has talent, but was pretty up-and-down last year. But he's probably got the WLB spot all but locked up unless we take a LB in the first two rounds of the draft. There are a lot of undersized guys in the draft last year, and we've done a good job of finding gems at LB, but the total lack of depth is worrisome. Hopefully Curtis Robinson can come back and contribute. He could be our starting SLB. Bethune is just too limited in terms of movement to expect much from.

And CB and S aren't that much better. We've got two good starters at CB, but nothing behind them. At safety, unless Brown has a huge resurgence, we need a new starter.

My preference for this draft is to take an OT early and then just load up on defensive players. We have a chance to really build out that unit, and I hope we capitalize on it instead of throwing away picks on bad TEs, RBs, and Ks on day two.

[Pattersonca65]

I wouldn't go so far as to say that its a "rebuild" yet. I'd call it a still call it a re-tool, which may be a distinction without a difference. We've lost:

An off-ball LB, who was the 2nd best LB on the team

A safety whose replacement was drafted last year and played pretty well

A LG that has shown flashes of good play when he's been healthy, but hasn't been healthy for a couple of years and was outplayed by his replacements

Our former CB1 who understandably struggled this year with tragic and unimaginable off-the-field issues, and was overtaken by Lenoir

A backup RB who hasn't been able to stay on the field and has been replaced by Mason, Guerendo and Taylor

A swing tackle that I guess we decided couldn't play RT, and got low-end starter money we probably shouldn't have matched

Our QB3 who probably should have been QB2 and seemed discontent

I think these losses are more emotionally impactful than detrimental on-field. Specifically, Greenlaw and Huf are the guys fans are sad about losing. I get it and am bummed out too, those guys were the heart and soul of the defense. But ultimately, one doesn't play a premium position, is coming off an Achilles, and will always have some injury concern due to play style, and the other guy has similar health/play-style concerns and we have a replacement in-house. I think a lot of teams would have let them move on as well.

The only think I'm actually annoyed by is that we didn't bring in Dalman or Kelly. I get that York doesn't think we're as close to winning the SB as we have been the last few years so we're reeling in our cash spending a bit, but Dalman is a good young center whose father played for the organization and could have solved a glaring issue. Kelly is older, but could have been a better stop-gap option than Brendel while we try to draft and develop a center of the future. Now we're looking at drafting a center in a not so great center draft when we have a bunch of other needs at more premium positions.

Agree that Dalman and Kelly are the ones that hurt. Dalman was pricey, but I figured he'd get more like $16 or 17 million/year. Three years for $14 million is very reasonable for what he brings given he should be entering his prime. And Kelly for $9 million/year for two years would have been a no-brainer after missing on Dalman.

I am extremely concerned about center. It was easily the biggest problem for us on offense. I don't see a rookie who is likely ready to come in and start. Brendel was AWFUL last year, particularly in pass-blocking. Is Zakelj ready? He sure couldn't be worse than Brendel, but it's hard to see him getting the nod while Brendel is still on the team. We seem to have gone away from the meritocracy that dominated this team early in the Shanahan era, and now certain vets - especially along the OL - seem to have their positions handed to them.

In terms of FA losses, Greenlaw is the one that stings the most. Losing Huf will hurt - I think his loss was a big part of our struggles against the run in the 2023 playoffs and last season. But as said, we have a solid replacement for him who brings more athleticism. We really don't for Greenlaw, and when healthy he's easily a top-10 LB. Although he was relatively expensive for an off-ball LB, I think he will be worth the contract he got, assuming he's healthy (which, to be fair, could be a big if). We already saw him return to dominant play last year, he just couldn't sustain it because of lingering issues. But assuming those issues clear up over the off-season, that contract could look like a steal in a year or two.

Will the 49ers be getting comp picks for this exodus of players? Of course, not the ones released

[Pattersonca65]

Not much more that can be said about these players that hasn't already been said but I suspect they did want Greenlaw back but not on multi-year deal. The 49ers used to be like some of the current teams just throwing money around because they had so much cap space. This is a pivotal time for this franchise. They've had success for a few years and made a run. They spent big and had an aging roster. The next couple of drafts are critical and will decide the future of this franchise. Reminds me of the 49ers under Baalke when he started replacing aging players with draft picks and drafted like crap setting the franchise back, The 49ers need more drafts like last season, not the season's prior.

[SK21209]

Not much more that can be said about these players that hasn't already been said but I suspect they did want Greenlaw back but not on multi-year deal. The 49ers used to be like some of the current teams just throwing money around because they had so much cap space. This is a pivotal time for this franchise. They've had success for a few years and made a run. They spent big and had an aging roster. The next couple of drafts are critical and will decide the future of this franchise. Reminds me of the 49ers under Baalke when he started replacing aging players with draft picks and drafted like crap setting the franchise back, The 49ers need more drafts like last season, not the season's prior.

We've also seen other teams similarly re-tool and come out better than expected. This year was supposed to be something of a re-tool year for the Bills and they were in the AFC championship. The Rams bit the bullet worse than we are and have already built back up to a contending level. But it's all going to come down to Purdy. If he continues to improve, that can offset some losses, and with an easy schedule we could still win the division and host a playoff game while we churn the roster. But if he stagnates or regresses, we could be in a really, really tough spot a year from now.

[Pattersonca65]

Not much more that can be said about these players that hasn't already been said but I suspect they did want Greenlaw back but not on multi-year deal. The 49ers used to be like some of the current teams just throwing money around because they had so much cap space. This is a pivotal time for this franchise. They've had success for a few years and made a run. They spent big and had an aging roster. The next couple of drafts are critical and will decide the future of this franchise. Reminds me of the 49ers under Baalke when he started replacing aging players with draft picks and drafted like crap setting the franchise back, The 49ers need more drafts like last season, not the season's prior.

We've also seen other teams similarly re-tool and come out better than expected. This year was supposed to be something of a re-tool year for the Bills and they were in the AFC championship. The Rams bit the bullet worse than we are and have already built back up to a contending level. But it's all going to come down to Purdy. If he continues to improve, that can offset some losses, and with an easy schedule we could still win the division and host a playoff game while we churn the roster. But if he stagnates or regresses, we could be in a really, really tough spot a year from now.

I would agree in part, but this team had issues last season besides Purdy that hurt it. Defense and special teams took a step back, and special teams was downright awful. There are holes in the oline and Center is a big issue. If these issues are not addressed it won't matter what Purdy does. If the 49ers botch the next couple of drafts they are not going to recover like the Rams did.

[clyde21]

McCaffrey and Kittle are devastated about Juice, posting multiple times about it...i don't get it man, the guy was worth it just for the presence alone...dudes loved him.

sometimes you have to pay for guys like Juice even if their on-field prod doesn't warrant it. at this point you might as well just disembowel the whole team and be done with it. McCaffrey and Aiyuk coming off injuries anyways, we have so many holes to fill that by the time you fill them your core right now (I don't even know who that is at this point, Bosa, Warner...and who?) won't even be as good anymore, could be Trent Williams last year and we'll have *another* monster hole to plug, and we're still trying to figure out how much to pay a QB that doesn't carry you.

i know i'm being a doomer right now but it's tough lol...like the only thing that can save this this team right now is a home run A++ draft, and I'm not confident that this FO can pull that off.

[SK21209]

McCaffrey and Kittle are devastated about Juice, posting multiple times about it...i don't get it man, the guy was worth it just for the presence alone...dudes loved him.

sometimes you have to pay for guys like Juice even if their on-field prod doesn't warrant it. at this point you might as well just disembowel the whole team and be done with it. McCaffrey and Aiyuk coming off injuries anyways, we have so many holes to fill that by the time you fill them your core right now (I don't even know who that is at this point, Bosa, Warner...and who?) won't even be as good anymore, could be Trent Williams last year and we'll have *another* monster hole to plug, and we're still trying to figure out how much to pay a QB that doesn't carry you.

i know i'm being a doomer right now but it's tough lol...like the only thing that can save this this team right now is a home run A++ draft, and I'm not confident that this FO can pull that off.

I'm sure Kyle wanted to keep Juice around, but I think its easier to tell the FO the bolded coming off of conference championship and Super Bowl appearances in consecutive years than it is after a 6-11 season. Bosa and Warner will turn 28 and 29, respectively, during the season, which is still young enough for them to still be top level players by the time we've re-tooled. But yes, this year and next year's draft need to be hits. We need a blue-chipper in this draft and probably another couple of starters, and next year with a handful of additional comp picks we need to fill holes and build out depth.

[clyde21]

Floyd getting released now lol

guess this means we're getting Joey?

[Pattersonca65]

Floyd getting released now lol

guess this means we're getting Joey?

LOL, are we? Been really quiet. Hopefully we'll know sooner rather than later.

[CrimsonCrew]

I wouldn't go so far as to say that its a "rebuild" yet. I'd call it a still call it a re-tool, which may be a distinction without a difference. We've lost:

An off-ball LB, who was the 2nd best LB on the team

A safety whose replacement was drafted last year and played pretty well

A LG that has shown flashes of good play when he's been healthy, but hasn't been healthy for a couple of years and was outplayed by his replacements

Our former CB1 who understandably struggled this year with tragic and unimaginable off-the-field issues, and was overtaken by Lenoir

A backup RB who hasn't been able to stay on the field and has been replaced by Mason, Guerendo and Taylor

A swing tackle that I guess we decided couldn't play RT, and got low-end starter money we probably shouldn't have matched

Our QB3 who probably should have been QB2 and seemed discontent

I think these losses are more emotionally impactful than detrimental on-field. Specifically, Greenlaw and Huf are the guys fans are sad about losing. I get it and am bummed out too, those guys were the heart and soul of the defense. But ultimately, one doesn't play a premium position, is coming off an Achilles, and will always have some injury concern due to play style, and the other guy has similar health/play-style concerns and we have a replacement in-house. I think a lot of teams would have let them move on as well.

The only think I'm actually annoyed by is that we didn't bring in Dalman or Kelly. I get that York doesn't think we're as close to winning the SB as we have been the last few years so we're reeling in our cash spending a bit, but Dalman is a good young center whose father played for the organization and could have solved a glaring issue. Kelly is older, but could have been a better stop-gap option than Brendel while we try to draft and develop a center of the future. Now we're looking at drafting a center in a not so great center draft when we have a bunch of other needs at more premium positions.

Agree that Dalman and Kelly are the ones that hurt. Dalman was pricey, but I figured he'd get more like $16 or 17 million/year. Three years for $14 million is very reasonable for what he brings given he should be entering his prime. And Kelly for $9 million/year for two years would have been a no-brainer after missing on Dalman.

I am extremely concerned about center. It was easily the biggest problem for us on offense. I don't see a rookie who is likely ready to come in and start. Brendel was AWFUL last year, particularly in pass-blocking. Is Zakelj ready? He sure couldn't be worse than Brendel, but it's hard to see him getting the nod while Brendel is still on the team. We seem to have gone away from the meritocracy that dominated this team early in the Shanahan era, and now certain vets - especially along the OL - seem to have their positions handed to them.

In terms of FA losses, Greenlaw is the one that stings the most. Losing Huf will hurt - I think his loss was a big part of our struggles against the run in the 2023 playoffs and last season. But as said, we have a solid replacement for him who brings more athleticism. We really don't for Greenlaw, and when healthy he's easily a top-10 LB. Although he was relatively expensive for an off-ball LB, I think he will be worth the contract he got, assuming he's healthy (which, to be fair, could be a big if). We already saw him return to dominant play last year, he just couldn't sustain it because of lingering issues. But assuming those issues clear up over the off-season, that contract could look like a steal in a year or two.

Will the 49ers be getting comp picks for this exodus of players? Of course, not the ones released

Definitely. You can only get four comp picks for players, but we're currently projected to get something like three fourths and a fifth.