The Trey Lance thread

[Samurai]

I strongly wanted the Niners to draft Fields. When they called Lance's name, I was very relieved it wasn't Mac Jones but still disappointed that it wasn't Fields. Now, still feel the same. I still think Lance has a higher ceiling than Jones but still would have preferred Fields. Haven't seen anything yet to move me off that position.

[Harry Palmer]

I strongly wanted the Niners to draft Fields. When they called Lance's name, I was very relieved it wasn't Mac Jones but still disappointed that it wasn't Fields. Now, still feel the same. I still think Lance has a higher ceiling than Jones but still would have preferred Fields. Haven't seen anything yet to move me off that position.

One thing, though…Fields had 7 TDS and 10 INTs as a rook. Would he have had a chance to do that, or anything remotely close, and keep playing as a 9er? Granted his stats might have been better with more talent, but better enough to unseat the locker room’s golden boy? I have my doubts.

Anyway I look at this it would have taken a pretty special rookie season to get past that bar, and not even Lawrence did that. Granted he was a lock no. 1 so they’d have been more committed, but I think you still face that ‘we’re here to win now’ squad revolt, and once that happened it’s tipping the wrong way. Then you get a broken leg a hurricane and < 1/4 into year 2.

[Samurai]

I strongly wanted the Niners to draft Fields. When they called Lance's name, I was very relieved it wasn't Mac Jones but still disappointed that it wasn't Fields. Now, still feel the same. I still think Lance has a higher ceiling than Jones but still would have preferred Fields. Haven't seen anything yet to move me off that position.

One thing, though…Fields had 7 TDS and 10 INTs as a rook. Would he have had a chance to do that, or anything remotely close, and keep playing as a 9er? Granted his stats might have been better with more talent, but better enough to unseat the locker room’s golden boy? I have my doubts.

Anyway I look at this it would have taken a pretty special rookie season to get past that bar, and not even Lawrence did that. Granted he was a lock no. 1 so they’d have been more committed, but I think you still face that ‘we’re here to win now’ squad revolt, and once that happened it’s tipping the wrong way. Then you get a broken leg a hurricane and < 1/4 into year 2.

Fields also ran for over 1,100 yards (good for 7th best in the NFL). I think that having CMC in the backfield takes a lot of pressure off of the QB, more so than Fields has in Chicago. I also think that throwing to Aiyuk, Deebo and Kittle gives a QB a better chance of success than Mooney, St. Brown, and Kmet. I also think that Fields has more talent as both a passer and runner than Lance and thus has the higher ceiling. So yes, I do believe that Fields will be more successful than Lance and thus would rather have the QB that gives me the greater chance to succeed than the one who gives me the lesser chance.

[Harry Palmer]

I strongly wanted the Niners to draft Fields. When they called Lance's name, I was very relieved it wasn't Mac Jones but still disappointed that it wasn't Fields. Now, still feel the same. I still think Lance has a higher ceiling than Jones but still would have preferred Fields. Haven't seen anything yet to move me off that position.

One thing, though…Fields had 7 TDS and 10 INTs as a rook. Would he have had a chance to do that, or anything remotely close, and keep playing as a 9er? Granted his stats might have been better with more talent, but better enough to unseat the locker room’s golden boy? I have my doubts.

Anyway I look at this it would have taken a pretty special rookie season to get past that bar, and not even Lawrence did that. Granted he was a lock no. 1 so they’d have been more committed, but I think you still face that ‘we’re here to win now’ squad revolt, and once that happened it’s tipping the wrong way. Then you get a broken leg a hurricane and < 1/4 into year 2.

Fields also ran for over 1,100 yards (good for 7th best in the NFL). I think that having CMC in the backfield takes a lot of pressure off of the QB, more so than Fields has in Chicago. I also think that throwing to Aiyuk, Deebo and Kittle gives a QB a better chance of success than Mooney, St. Brown, and Kmet. I also think that Fields has more talent as both a passer and runner than Lance and thus has the higher ceiling. So yes, I do believe that Fields will be more successful than Lance and thus would rather have the QB that gives me the greater chance to succeed than the one who gives me the lesser chance.

I thought I addressed the part where he’d have better production, but the throwing part would still be central to the team, meaning he’s running a lot less or you’re wasting a lot of the talent around him we’re talking about, and also that his value is then a lot more contingent on his passing. Which, as said, would be better…but it would have to be a LOT better to stay on the field in that situation.

[wco81]

Some people are expecting Fields to have a breakout year.

[CrimsonCrew]

Read a proposed trade of Lance to the Vikings for a third rounder yesterday. Just dumb. Maybe Lance doesn't ever pan out to much of anything for the team. He's still a promising young player, and if nothing else, there's a benefit in keeping him from other teams - as cynical as it is to say that. But there's also still a chance Purdy will regress or the injury will flare up, or something new will arise.

The Niners will likely have three third-round picks next year, in addition to their first and second-round picks. Sure, if you're going to lose him anyway, you'd like to recoup something for him. But it would have to be markedly more than a third-round pick from a team that won their division last year (and thus likely to be on the later side in the round), IMO. Not that I think anyone will be offering that.

[Pattersonca65]

Read a proposed trade of Lance to the Vikings for a third rounder yesterday. Just dumb. Maybe Lance doesn't ever pan out to much of anything for the team. He's still a promising young player, and if nothing else, there's a benefit in keeping him from other teams - as cynical as it is to say that. But there's also still a chance Purdy will regress or the injury will flare up, or something new will arise.

The Niners will likely have three third-round picks next year, in addition to their first and second-round picks. Sure, if you're going to lose him anyway, you'd like to recoup something for him. But it would have to be markedly more than a third-round pick from a team that won their division last year (and thus likely to be on the later side in the round), IMO. Not that I think anyone will be offering that.

These proposed trades are posted on the internet all the time. I've seen a few for Lance. Total clickbait. There is one site that was popping up on my phone almost everyday with an article that is proposing a trade. Assuming the FO would even trade Lance now, I think the FO would be asking a high price for him, something like a high first round pick or multiple picks. The same kind of thing they did with Jimmy G by asking too high price. Kind of like the homeowner who puts his house on the market for too high a price and no one bites on it. The owner will take a high offer but is in a position to just sit on it if there are no takers. I think they did the same thing with Jimmy G a couple of years back. The were asking for more than any team was willing to give. They can play it out this year anyway, but are going to have to do something next season as his option year is coming.

[wco81]

What is Lance's cap number this season and next?

If the team is struggling to sign Bosa because of cap space, maybe they should just move on and cut their losses.

I think Kyle has little interest in developing Lance and looks like the team isn't going to hire some QB guru for him either.

If Jordan Love has a good year, they should hire the Packers QB coach.

[Pattersonca65]

What is Lance's cap number this season and next?

If the team is struggling to sign Bosa because of cap space, maybe they should just move on and cut their losses.

I think Kyle has little interest in developing Lance and looks like the team isn't going to hire some QB guru for him either.

If Jordan Love has a good year, they should hire the Packers QB coach.

I don't think Lance's cap number this year is an issue. They have that factored in when preparing these other extensions. I think the value of having lance on the roster this year outweighs his cap hit. The team is going to have to make a decision about Lance this coming off season if Purdy is still going to be the starter moving forward. He has an option coming up and the 49ers can't afford that for a backup and if Lance is not starter he will bolt for the chance to start somewhere else anyway first chance he gets. It isn't about getting a guru. The 49ers have a QB coach already who helped Purdy adapt to the NFL. The 49ers are barred under league rules from being involved with Lance during the offseason. With the Lance the issue was his age and lack of football experience. He was/is going to need time and patience. Something this team has neither of with a win now roster.

[CrimsonCrew]

Lance's cap hit is about $9 million this year and almost $11 million next year. The problem is that it's fully guaranteed. We can't cut him. If we trade him, we would get some relief, though a team might ask us to eat some of that.

Take Darnold out of the equation, and we're only paying our QB room about $10 million this year. That's a huge bargain. But no doubt having Brock, Trey, and Sam on the roster is inhibiting the benefit of a cheap starter somewhat. All together, they're costing about $15 million this year, and Darnold has some performance-based escalators, I think. Still cheap for the QB position, but not what it could be if we just had Brock for three years on that rookie deal....

[Pattersonca65]

Darnold is going to be named #2.

https://www.ninersnation.com/2023/8/23/23843263/sam-darnold-trey-lance-49ers-trade-rumors

[Harry Palmer]

Reports 9ers name Sam Darnold backup; seeking trade for Trey Lance.

Edit; redundant, but unless this is coming from Lance I think it’s a mistake. Maybe even if it is. We go through qbs like disposable napkins, odds are we’re on our 3rd string at some point this season. I have to say, beginning to end the Niners handled this entire thing about as poorly as you could possibly imagine, like they’re shorting the market or some ****.

[Pattersonca65]

Reports 9ers name Sam Darnold backup; seeking trade for Trey Lance.

Edit; redundant, but unless this is coming from Lance I think it’s a mistake. Maybe even if it is. We go through qbs like disposable napkins, odds are we’re on our 3rd string at some point this season. I have to say, beginning to end the Niners handled this entire thing about as poorly as you could possibly imagine, like they’re shorting the market or some ****.

This isn't coming from Lance

[Harry Palmer]

Reports 9ers name Sam Darnold backup; seeking trade for Trey Lance.

Edit; redundant, but unless this is coming from Lance I think it’s a mistake. Maybe even if it is. We go through qbs like disposable napkins, odds are we’re on our 3rd string at some point this season. I have to say, beginning to end the Niners handled this entire thing about as poorly as you could possibly imagine, like they’re shorting the market or some ****.

This isn't coming from Lance

Not sarcastic: you have a source? To make sure I was clear, I don’t mean the announcement, I mean that Trey hadn’t asked for a trade. There have been whispers of one for a while, maybe it had some timeline or condition on it. Because if it’s coming from them their means of inflating his trade value has been…unconventional is a kind way of putting it.

[Pattersonca65]

Reports 9ers name Sam Darnold backup; seeking trade for Trey Lance.

Edit; redundant, but unless this is coming from Lance I think it’s a mistake. Maybe even if it is. We go through qbs like disposable napkins, odds are we’re on our 3rd string at some point this season. I have to say, beginning to end the Niners handled this entire thing about as poorly as you could possibly imagine, like they’re shorting the market or some ****.

This isn't coming from Lance

Not sarcastic: you have a source? To make sure I was clear, I don’t mean the announcement, I mean that Trey hadn’t asked for a trade. There have been whispers of one for a while, maybe it had some timeline or condition on it. Because if it’s coming from them their means of inflating his trade value has been…unconventional is a kind way of putting it.

LOL, I should have said I don't think this is coming from Lance. No source. I doubt we will ever really know. I just know this has been around for some time. There were issues going back to last offseason including trade rumors that flared up this past offseason. This report confirms there were trade talks that already occurred this past offseason. There were some that tried to downplay the reports but my take has always been with reports that where there is smoke there is usually fire. And there were enough reports out there to believe something was going on and not something that could be easily dismissed.

[Pattersonca65]

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[arich35]

I do feel bad for Trey and hope they can find him a spot where he can play. His injury last year will always be a huge what if for this team/franchise.

[CrimsonCrew]

F-ing garbage, man. What has Darnold shown that makes us think he's going to do markedly better here than other places? He can't get past his first read. I realize Kyle's pretty darn good at getting that first read open, but he's not invulnerable. Lance hasn't been amazing, and as said yesterday, the slow starts hurt him as a backup, but at least give him a bunch of snaps in this upcoming game and see what he can do with them.

Really disappointed with the FO right now, and my view is that they need to win it all within the next two or three years.

[CrimsonCrew]

Oh, and I talked yesterday about how unrealistic the trade proposal for a third-round pick was. At this point, they'd be lucky to get that. And I guess they'd hope for even less just to shed his salary. What an f-ing debacle. Just the peak of idiocy. Maybe the worst move up for a QB in the history of the league, given the trade, the pick, and their handling of it since. And way to put even more pressure on Purdy's shoulders.

[Pattersonca65]

F-ing garbage, man. What has Darnold shown that makes us think he's going to do markedly better here than other places? He can't get past his first read. I realize Kyle's pretty darn good at getting that first read open, but he's not invulnerable. Lance hasn't been amazing, and as said yesterday, the slow starts hurt him as a backup, but at least give him a bunch of snaps in this upcoming game and see what he can do with them.

Really disappointed with the FO right now, and my view is that they need to win it all within the next two or three years.

Really has been a debacle almost from the start. I never watched Darnold play prior to him going to the 49ers. The only time I've actually watched him play has been during these two preseason games so I don't know much about him. I wonder what Shanahan is thinking with this? He's obviously watched both these QBs play during camp and preseason. We may probably never find out the truth.