2025 OFFSEASON

[CrimsonCrew]

Floyd getting released now lol

guess this means we're getting Joey?

Seems like it could be. Not a huge fan of signing guys to two-year deals and cutting them after one. Floyd played markedly better once we scaled back his snaps. Joey Bosa is at an age and point health-wise where he shouldn't be counted on for 50%+ of snaps. I had visions of them rotating a bit and keeping both fresh. If we're relying on Bosa to play the lions' share of the snaps this year, that feels like a mistake from the jump.

The DL needs to do a much better job of rotating than we have over the past couple years. You just can't expect guys in their 30s to be in there banging around for 50 snaps a game.

[clyde21]

Curtis Robinson back on a 1-yr, another ST guy

[wco81]

McCaffrey and Kittle are devastated about Juice, posting multiple times about it...i don't get it man, the guy was worth it just for the presence alone...dudes loved him.

sometimes you have to pay for guys like Juice even if their on-field prod doesn't warrant it. at this point you might as well just disembowel the whole team and be done with it. McCaffrey and Aiyuk coming off injuries anyways, we have so many holes to fill that by the time you fill them your core right now (I don't even know who that is at this point, Bosa, Warner...and who?) won't even be as good anymore, could be Trent Williams last year and we'll have *another* monster hole to plug, and we're still trying to figure out how much to pay a QB that doesn't carry you.

i know i'm being a doomer right now but it's tough lol...like the only thing that can save this this team right now is a home run A++ draft, and I'm not confident that this FO can pull that off.

I'm sure Kyle wanted to keep Juice around, but I think its easier to tell the FO the bolded coming off of conference championship and Super Bowl appearances in consecutive years than it is after a 6-11 season. Bosa and Warner will turn 28 and 29, respectively, during the season, which is still young enough for them to still be top level players by the time we've re-tooled. But yes, this year and next year's draft need to be hits. We need a blue-chipper in this draft and probably another couple of starters, and next year with a handful of additional comp picks we need to fill holes and build out depth.

Aren't veterans on big salaries typically asked to restructure? Maybe Juice decided he didn't have much time left and declined.

Thing is Nice is turning 34 next month. How hard was he going in the last few years in a role that requires him to be a human battering ram?

At his age, he's probably trying to get out with his body as intact as possible, not to mention not subject himself to more head injuries.

He went to Harvard but did he get his degree? Because he has to be thinking about life after football, though he's got to have earned like $20 million at least over his career?

So it wouldn't be surprising if he's going to hold out for as much money as possible because otherwise, it's no longer worth it.

[49er4life1979]

Looks like wikipedia already updated and has Joey Bosa listed as playing for the 49ers lol

[arich35]

Curtis Robinson back on a 1-yr, another ST guy

Right now he is a starting LB lol

[Big J]

I'm not even sure why you would give Brock an extension this off-season at this point, just play the year out

Been saying this for years.

[CrimsonCrew]

Curtis Robinson back on a 1-yr

Hopefully he's healthy. If so, good chance he's the starting SLB this year.

[CrimsonCrew]

McCaffrey and Kittle are devastated about Juice, posting multiple times about it...i don't get it man, the guy was worth it just for the presence alone...dudes loved him.

sometimes you have to pay for guys like Juice even if their on-field prod doesn't warrant it. at this point you might as well just disembowel the whole team and be done with it. McCaffrey and Aiyuk coming off injuries anyways, we have so many holes to fill that by the time you fill them your core right now (I don't even know who that is at this point, Bosa, Warner...and who?) won't even be as good anymore, could be Trent Williams last year and we'll have *another* monster hole to plug, and we're still trying to figure out how much to pay a QB that doesn't carry you.

i know i'm being a doomer right now but it's tough lol...like the only thing that can save this this team right now is a home run A++ draft, and I'm not confident that this FO can pull that off.

I'm sure Kyle wanted to keep Juice around, but I think its easier to tell the FO the bolded coming off of conference championship and Super Bowl appearances in consecutive years than it is after a 6-11 season. Bosa and Warner will turn 28 and 29, respectively, during the season, which is still young enough for them to still be top level players by the time we've re-tooled. But yes, this year and next year's draft need to be hits. We need a blue-chipper in this draft and probably another couple of starters, and next year with a handful of additional comp picks we need to fill holes and build out depth.

Aren't veterans on big salaries typically asked to restructure? Maybe Juice decided he didn't have much time left and declined.

Thing is Nice is turning 34 next month. How hard was he going in the last few years in a role that requires him to be a human battering ram?

At his age, he's probably trying to get out with his body as intact as possible, not to mention not subject himself to more head injuries.

He went to Harvard but did he get his degree? Because he has to be thinking about life after football, though he's got to have earned like $20 million at least over his career?

So it wouldn't be surprising if he's going to hold out for as much money as possible because otherwise, it's no longer worth it.

He went for four years, so I've got to assume he graduated. Harvard likes to preserve that graduation rate for the rankings, so the hard part is definitely getting in, not graduating. And Juice seems like a fairly smart guy regardless.

[CrimsonCrew]

Re: Brock, he has very little incentive to play this year without a new contract. It wouldn't be worth the injury risk. You can bake that threat of no extension and two years of the franchise tag into the negotiations, but at the end of the day, the Niners don't have much power to force his hand. If he sits out five games, he doesn't take much of a hit in earnings, but he could completely derail the Niners' season. And they're still in win-now mode to a degree.

[RIPskaterdude]

You can't convince me that this team isn't going through a rebuild. Retool be damned, it's a rebuild when you get rid of half of your starting defense from a year ago

[49er4life1979]

You can't convince me that this team isn't going through a rebuild. Retool be damned, it's a rebuild when you get rid of half of your starting defense from a year ago

Well kinda hard to call it a full rebuild when you still have players like Bosa, Warner, & Lenoir on that same defense. None older than 28. So definitely a retooling I'd say. But they need to nail this upcoming draft like they did last year. Need 3 or 4 good players out of it. And that 11th overall pick needs to be a star player. But this exodus of players was already planned last year:

Deebo - drafted Pearsall
Banks - drafted Puni
Ward - drafted Green
Hufanga - drafted Mustapha
Greenlaw - no sure replacement for him yet. Winters has potential but needs more consistency. Maybe they draft a LB early on.

[CrimsonCrew]

You can't convince me that this team isn't going through a rebuild. Retool be damned, it's a rebuild when you get rid of half of your starting defense from a year ago

Yes but.... Our defense was bad last year and the guys who are departing were bad themselves or just didn't play. Greenlaw and Huf were injured and may not return to the level they were at. Both got paid big money for less impact positions. Hargrave was never particularly good on this team. Collins would be the biggest loss from last year in terms of on-field contribution, and I don't even believe he's officially been cut yet - if he is, it would hurt the pass rush in particular. Floyd was decent but not great, and really only came on when asked to play about 1/3 of snaps. And Ward was bad when he was on the field, and we have replacements available.

Look, this team needs to make some moves in both FA and the draft. But they can probably add DTs who aren't much worse than what we had for markedly cheaper. There is still a ton of talent on this team. Good QB, great skill players, elite players at DE, LB, and good starting corners. We're in better shape than a lot of teams out there, but clearly we'll have to hit on this draft to be truly competitive this year.

[clyde21]

just signed Luke Gifford another ST guy, but apparently one of the better ST guys in the league

[clyde21]

it sounds/looks like the team is going back to basics, they're getting some ST guys in, brought back Saleh, got a blocking TE, released some fat, and didn't even bother with some of the bigger names in FA

honestly wouldn't be surprised if they trade Aiyuk, even though DK set the market at a 2nd rounder there.

[CrimsonCrew]

it sounds/looks like the team is going back to basics, they're getting some ST guys in, brought back Saleh, got a blocking TE, released some fat, and didn't even bother with some of the bigger names in FA

honestly wouldn't be surprised if they trade Aiyuk, even though DK set the market at a 2nd rounder there.

Aiyuk is the better receiver, but he's injured. Signed for longer, but to high figures (not sure how that would shake out for a new team after some of the money we paid him in guarantees is taken out). I think a 2nd would be the best-case, and we'd eat a big dead cap number. The value just isn't there to trade him at this point.

The WR position is a real conundrum for me right now. Advanced stats suggest it's one of the most important positions, but there just seem to be so many good receivers out there. You routinely see guys taken on the second and third days of drafts turn into good if not great players. I think it's a mistake to pay so much, particularly when Kyle does such a good job of scheming things for WRs and basically refuses to feature anyone (other than Deebo in spots). In retrospect, should have taken the Browns' second-rounder (33rd overall) and Amari Cooper instead of inking that extension.

[Big J]

Re: Brock, he has very little incentive to play this year without a new contract. It wouldn't be worth the injury risk. You can bake that threat of no extension and two years of the franchise tag into the negotiations, but at the end of the day, the Niners don't have much power to force his hand. If he sits out five games, he doesn't take much of a hit in earnings, but he could completely derail the Niners' season. And they're still in win-now mode to a degree.

If Purdy is the team first guy that he claims to be then he won't derail the Niners season.

[clyde21]

it sounds/looks like the team is going back to basics, they're getting some ST guys in, brought back Saleh, got a blocking TE, released some fat, and didn't even bother with some of the bigger names in FA

honestly wouldn't be surprised if they trade Aiyuk, even though DK set the market at a 2nd rounder there.

Aiyuk is the better receiver, but he's injured. Signed for longer, but to high figures (not sure how that would shake out for a new team after some of the money we paid him in guarantees is taken out). I think a 2nd would be the best-case, and we'd eat a big dead cap number. The value just isn't there to trade him at this point.

The WR position is a real conundrum for me right now. Advanced stats suggest it's one of the most important positions, but there just seem to be so many good receivers out there. You routinely see guys taken on the second and third days of drafts turn into good if not great players. I think it's a mistake to pay so much, particularly when Kyle does such a good job of scheming things for WRs and basically refuses to feature anyone (other than Deebo in spots). In retrospect, should have taken the Browns' second-rounder (33rd overall) and Amari Cooper instead of inking that extension.

DK just got a 4/132 from the Steelers, I think a 2nd for Aiyuk is well within range if he checks out physically, and if you're gonna eat dead cap money, might as well just do it this year, we're already eating 65+ mil.

[clyde21]

Re: Brock, he has very little incentive to play this year without a new contract. It wouldn't be worth the injury risk. You can bake that threat of no extension and two years of the franchise tag into the negotiations, but at the end of the day, the Niners don't have much power to force his hand. If he sits out five games, he doesn't take much of a hit in earnings, but he could completely derail the Niners' season. And they're still in win-now mode to a degree.

hard disagree, I think all the leverage is with the 49ers at this point. even if he tries to derail the season and we don't have a good year, good luck getting the contract you want next season.

45m, take it or leave it. and even that's a a bit much more my taste.

[CrimsonCrew]

Re: Brock, he has very little incentive to play this year without a new contract. It wouldn't be worth the injury risk. You can bake that threat of no extension and two years of the franchise tag into the negotiations, but at the end of the day, the Niners don't have much power to force his hand. If he sits out five games, he doesn't take much of a hit in earnings, but he could completely derail the Niners' season. And they're still in win-now mode to a degree.

hard disagree, I think all the leverage is with the 49ers at this point. even if he tries to derail the season and we don't have a good year, good luck getting the contract you want next season.

45m, take it or leave it. and even that's a a bit much more my taste.

Yeah, as said, they can take a hard line on a generous extension that doesn't hit insane levels. I don't think they can just tell him he's got to play out a contract that he has grossly outperformed. If they do that, I do think he could (and probably should) say he's not playing without an extension.

One of the key differences between Purdy and the Daks and Tuas is that Purdy is still under contract for another year at virtually nothing. That gives the Niners a lot more leverage. It also allows them to basically roll his $1 million salary this year into the extension to make it sound larger than it is. They could do a "$50 million/year" extension that doesn't actually look like that because instead of 4 year for $200 million ($50 million/year) it would really be five years for $201 million ($40 million/year). Those aren't fixed numbers, just an example.

[clyde21]

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