The Trey Lance thread

[Pattersonca65]

Shanahan's Comments on the Lance situation
https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/171091-kyle-shanahan-discusses-lances-future-49ers-havent-given/

[CrimsonCrew]

F-ing garbage, man. What has Darnold shown that makes us think he's going to do markedly better here than other places? He can't get past his first read. I realize Kyle's pretty darn good at getting that first read open, but he's not invulnerable. Lance hasn't been amazing, and as said yesterday, the slow starts hurt him as a backup, but at least give him a bunch of snaps in this upcoming game and see what he can do with them.

Really disappointed with the FO right now, and my view is that they need to win it all within the next two or three years.

Really has been a debacle almost from the start. I never watched Darnold play prior to him going to the 49ers. The only time I've actually watched him play has been during these two preseason games so I don't know much about him. I wonder what Shanahan is thinking with this? He's obviously watched both these QBs play during camp and preseason. We may probably never find out the truth.

I haven't watched a ton of Darnold, but I've seen plenty of the mistakes. And the word from EVERYONE who has been at camp - beat writers, content creators, etc. - is that Darnold is good when he can go to his first read. When that first read is there, he's decisive, he's accurate (generally), he's got the arm to make most throws. But when that first read isn't there, he gets flustered. He scrambles. He doesn't keep his eyes downfield. He makes bad throws. And that's in practice, where he's not getting hit. I get that Trey was awful in the first preseason game (Shanahan said it was ten days ago when Darnold started to separate himself, which coincides with that game), and for a chunk of the second, but he settled down and ended looking pretty darn good. Why make this decision now? If it's his play in the preseason game that is the concern, why not give Trey a big chunk of the game on Friday before making this decision? If nothing else, you limit the chance of injury to your #2 guy. And maybe you increase what little trade value Trey has.

If Lance doesn't even play in the game on Friday, but he remains on the roster, it'll be just one more catastrophic mistake for a FO that has been full of nothing but them where Trey Lance is concerned.

[CrimsonCrew]

Darnold really responding to his promotion. This is from Jack Hammer at the Press Democrat:

Sam Darnold

Darnold’s performance left a lot to be desired as he finished just 4-9.

Following a short completion on his first throw to Jauan Jennigs, Darnold’s attempt over the middle was knocked down at the line of scrimmage by Spencer Waege. His next attempt was also knocked away by a 49ers defender, this time it was Tre Swilling who go a hand on Darnold’s throw to Tay Martin on a deep over route from left to right.

Darnold followed up the two incompletions by connecting with Martin, Darnold’s third or fourth read on the play, for a short gain. Following a drop by Jennings on a screen out to the left, Darnold hit Willie Snead with a nice throw on a quick out to the right.

The veteran quarterback was given one move the ball series. Facing second and 14, Darnold attempted a short throw to Cameron Latu but it was batted down at the line of scrimmage by Austin Bryant. A checkdown thrown the ensuing third and long came up well short of the line to gain.

Darnold was given one more opportunity but couldn’t cash in when his throw deep down the middle sailed over the head of the receiver who was wide open.

[wco81]

Well if Trey never earns another dime after his rookie deal, he will have grossed at least $30-40 million.

So not feeling sorry for him.

Remember Sam Bradford, the last #1 pick to cash in when rookie contracts were lucrative. But I think he maybe got about $50 million or so.

Darnold also has made good money. Nothing like starting QBs signing $150-200 million deals these days but okay for a guy who's now firmly in the back up stage of his career, at 26, after being picked #3 in his class.

[Harry Palmer]

Grant Cohn is sticking to the position that Trey wanting a trade and trade getting traded are miles apart and the Niners likely are just publicly agreeing to appease him but will only move him for a high price and Trey can like it or not, as he pleases, he’s under contract. He also thinks that that being the case it’s not only possible but likely Trey sees game action this season, given the 9ers struggles keeping qb’s in one piece, and Darnold’s own injury history.

I will say something outside Kyle’s thinking must have happened because just yesterday he was saying he had no intention to name a backup until just before the game against the Steelers, specifically saying he would not make any similar announcement before Fridays gam, and that he might well go back and forth all season depending on matchups.

[Big J]

Doesn't make sense that Purdy is throwing pick after pick and not getting demoted yet Lance doesn't get a real shot at being starter despite how much more physical talent he has. Brock will be lucky to be as good as Jimmy G.

[arich35]

Oh, and I talked yesterday about how unrealistic the trade proposal for a third-round pick was. At this point, they'd be lucky to get that. And I guess they'd hope for even less just to shed his salary. What an f-ing debacle. Just the peak of idiocy. Maybe the worst move up for a QB in the history of the league, given the trade, the pick, and their handling of it since. And way to put even more pressure on Purdy's shoulders.

I mean he was going to be the starter last year until he got hurt. He would have gotten every chance to keep the job before going to Jimmy. Brock Purdy coming out of nowhere and being good wasn't expected by anyone

[Harry Palmer]

Oh, and I talked yesterday about how unrealistic the trade proposal for a third-round pick was. At this point, they'd be lucky to get that. And I guess they'd hope for even less just to shed his salary. What an f-ing debacle. Just the peak of idiocy. Maybe the worst move up for a QB in the history of the league, given the trade, the pick, and their handling of it since. And way to put even more pressure on Purdy's shoulders.

I mean he was going to be the starter last year until he got hurt. He would have gotten every chance to keep the job before going to Jimmy. Brock Purdy coming out of nowhere and being good wasn't expected by anyone

But it still defies explanation that they were willing to give him the keys to the franchise and 4 quarters in a monsoon and 10 minutes into a fifth quarter that year he breaks his leg and seemingly loses ALL support from the organization. Just doesn’t add up.

[Pattersonca65]

Doesn't make sense that Purdy is throwing pick after pick and not getting demoted yet Lance doesn't get a real shot at being starter despite how much more physical talent he has. Brock will be lucky to be as good as Jimmy G.

Picks in practice don't mean much. There is alot more to playing qb than physical talent. Lance had his own set of issues

[Pattersonca65]

Oh, and I talked yesterday about how unrealistic the trade proposal for a third-round pick was. At this point, they'd be lucky to get that. And I guess they'd hope for even less just to shed his salary. What an f-ing debacle. Just the peak of idiocy. Maybe the worst move up for a QB in the history of the league, given the trade, the pick, and their handling of it since. And way to put even more pressure on Purdy's shoulders.

I mean he was going to be the starter last year until he got hurt. He would have gotten every chance to keep the job before going to Jimmy. Brock Purdy coming out of nowhere and being good wasn't expected by anyone

But it still defies explanation that they were willing to give him the keys to the franchise and 4 quarters in a monsoon and 10 minutes and fifth quarter into that year he breaks his leg and seemingly loses ALL support from the organization. Just doesn’t add up.

Even before Purdy and Jimmy G entered the scene last season there were rumblings coming out of the organization before Lance got hurt about the FO being unhappy with Lance's progress

[Harry Palmer]

I mean he was going to be the starter last year until he got hurt. He would have gotten every chance to keep the job before going to Jimmy. Brock Purdy coming out of nowhere and being good wasn't expected by anyone

But it still defies explanation that they were willing to give him the keys to the franchise and 4 quarters in a monsoon and 10 minutes and fifth quarter into that year he breaks his leg and seemingly loses ALL support from the organization. Just doesn’t add up.

Even before Purdy and Jimmy G entered the scene last season there were rumblings coming out of the organization before Lance got hurt about the FO being unhappy with Lance's progress

Right, but that goes to my point. They took a guy whose primary weakness EVERYONE agreed was lack of reps, gave him practically none his rookie season…ie compounded the agreed upon problem, and then were somehow caught off guard that he wasn’t lighting it up from day One of his anointed year? That to me is not a Trey problem, it’s an organizational complete lack of a sensible developmental program for him problem.

[Big J]

Doesn't make sense that Purdy is throwing pick after pick and not getting demoted yet Lance doesn't get a real shot at being starter despite how much more physical talent he has. Brock will be lucky to be as good as Jimmy G.

Picks in practice don't mean much. There is alot more to playing qb than physical talent. Lance had his own set of issues

Lance played 5 quarters. That’s not even a big enough sample size to know what his issues are.

[thesack12]

This whole Trey Lance conundrum is not about Sam Darnold at all, its entirely about Brock Purdy.

If Brock Purdy is still carrying big time concerns about his elbow, or is the version of Brock Purdy that 99.999 % of the people on this planet expected him to be when he was drafted as Mr Irrelevant, then Trey Lance is still easily the starter going into this season. Sure they may have still brought in a guy like Darnold to push Trey in camp (unlike last season when laughably Nate Sudfeld was the only thing "pushing" Lance,) but in that scenario Lance would of course be the best long term prospect thus worthwhile of prioritizing his development.

Trey Lance has not been mistreated by the organization. He was literally handed the keys to the franchise going into last season, without actually "earning" it. To no fault of his own the ankle injury in week 2, derailed his grip on being the franchise guy. That injury not only changed the course of his career, but also the course of the franchise's future.

Brock Purdy changed the Trey Lance equation entirely. Not only is Brock Pury currently the best QB on the roster, but in the organization's eyes he's apparently also the best long term prospect at QB as well. You can disagree with the latter part of that statement, but its clearly how the organization sees it. Which that being the case, its extraordinarily difficult to try and develop 2 very young QB's simultaneously.

As for QB2, the backup QB is more about being able to step in at a moment's notice and provide a stable relatively high floor level of play. We can all debate and discuss how we feel about Sam Darnold overall, but right now he's showing to be a better player than Lance is. Thus looking like a better option to fill that QB2 role.

We are all incredibly disappointed with how the trade up, and its results have parlayed out so far. We are all quite bummed that we haven't been able to see much of Trey Lance on the field. That said, we as fans don't get to see what happens on the practice field, and behind closed doors. There does exist a possibility that Trey is not advancing his development via the things we don't see (film room, feel for the playbook, connectability/trust with his teammates, etc.) Maybe some of these intangibles have played a part as well. In other words, until I see/hear differently I'm not going to pin Lance's lack of development entirely on the organization's shoulders. Its quite common that some guys just don't pan out.

I will also again mention, that despite how brutal that trade up looks now, I will give the organization a lot of credit for not falling into the sunken cost trap with Trey. It takes some stones to not give into the pressure to and play Lance simply because of his draft positioning. It will take even bigger stones, if they wind up moving on from him sometime in the next couple weeks. On a side note, its impressive that not only has the team weathered the blow of making that colossal investment with basically no return, but arguably they are actually better off moving forward at the most important position in sports. Granted not having those high end assets that were given away in the Lance trade will contunue to have ripple effects on the overall roster and salary cap for the next few years. Still, almost every other time a team makes a huge investment into a young QB like that and it fails, it usually has widespread negative effects and cripples the franchise for the next several years.


I also find it ironic that a lot of people are trashing the organization for supposedly not being able to develop Lance, yet not be willing to give them any credit for unearthing Brock Purdy and catapulting him on his meteoric rise. Criticism for the trade up, aftermath with Lance is certainly valid, but it shouldn't be mutually exclusive to not prasing the organization for the Brock Purdy equation.

In conclusion, I still want Lance on this team and haven't lost all hope with him. But that is looking quite iffy currently. We shall see

[Harry Palmer]

So the Niners let Fred go up there to take the tidal wave of questions about Trey, Darnold, trade, etc. without him even having an idea what was going on??

Honestly, wtf is going on in the front office atm? They seem to be acting erratically, unprofessionally and kinda like there is no plan and they’re making it up as they go along. If I’m Fred I’m pretty pissed about being thrown to the wolves with nothing to feed them. I know he’s a pro, but that’s so bush league. Under the circumstances, the only 2 options were cancel that otherwise unimportant presser or have someone from the FO go out first to face the feeding frenzy. Just…not encouraging at all.

Edit: it should have been John. I mean, that’s basically his job, to be the face of the franchise in moments like this.

[thesack12]

So the Niners let Fred go up there to take the tidal wave of questions about Trey, Darnold, trade, etc. without him even having an idea what was going on??

Honestly, wtf is going on in the front office atm? They seem to be acting erratically, unprofessionally and kinda like there is no plan and they’re making it up as they go along. If I’m Fred I’m pretty pissed about being thrown to the wolves with nothing to feed them. I know he’s a pro, but that’s so bush league. Under the circumstances, the only 2 options were cancel that otherwise unimportant presser or have someone from the FO go out first to face the feeding frenzy. Just…not encouraging at all.

Edit: it should have been John. I mean, that’s basically his job, to be the face of the franchise in moments like this.

I realize we're all hyper focused on the 49ers QB situation and even a little sensitive about it, but when is the last time you have ever heard of a GM talking to the media regarding a decision on who will be QB2/QB3? You will rarely (if ever) even see that after a starter is named coming out of a camp battle. Honestly the vast majority of the time, the head coach barely has to talk about a QB2 vs QB3 situation.

As for Fred Warner, do we know that he wasn't already scheduled to talk to the media prior to this decision going public? Could just be a simple matter of unfortunate timing for his media availability. I also imagine that Fred had a few more pressing things to be concerned with yesterday than being aware if who was named QB2 and QB3. He is on the other side of the ball, still adjusting to a new DC and prepping for the Steelers.

[Big J]

This whole Trey Lance conundrum is not about Sam Darnold at all, its entirely about Brock Purdy.

If Brock Purdy is still carrying big time concerns about his elbow, or is the version of Brock Purdy that 99.999 % of the people on this planet expected him to be when he was drafted as Mr Irrelevant, then Trey Lance is still easily the starter going into this season. Sure they may have still brought in a guy like Darnold to push Trey in camp (unlike last season when laughably Nate Sudfeld was the only thing "pushing" Lance,) but in that scenario Lance would of course be the best long term prospect thus worthwhile of prioritizing his development.

Trey Lance has not been mistreated by the organization. He was literally handed the keys to the franchise going into last season, without actually "earning" it. To no fault of his own the ankle injury in week 2, derailed his grip on being the franchise guy. That injury not only changed the course of his career, but also the course of the franchise's future.

Brock Purdy changed the Trey Lance equation entirely. Not only is Brock Pury currently the best QB on the roster, but in the organization's eyes he's apparently also the best long term prospect at QB as well. You can disagree with the latter part of that statement, but its clearly how the organization sees it. Which that being the case, its extraordinarily difficult to try and develop 2 very young QB's simultaneously.

As for QB2, the backup QB is more about being able to step in at a moment's notice and provide a stable relatively high floor level of play. We can all debate and discuss how we feel about Sam Darnold overall, but right now he's showing to be a better player than Lance is. Thus looking like a better option to fill that QB2 role.

We are all incredibly disappointed with how the trade up, and its results have parlayed out so far. We are all quite bummed that we haven't been able to see much of Trey Lance on the field. That said, we as fans don't get to see what happens on the practice field, and behind closed doors. There does exist a possibility that Trey is not advancing his development via the things we don't see (film room, feel for the playbook, connectability/trust with his teammates, etc.) Maybe some of these intangibles have played a part as well. In other words, until I see/hear differently I'm not going to pin Lance's lack of development entirely on the organization's shoulders. Its quite common that some guys just don't pan out.

I will also again mention, that despite how brutal that trade up looks now, I will give the organization a lot of credit for not falling into the sunken cost trap with Trey. It takes some stones to not give into the pressure to and play Lance simply because of his draft positioning. It will take even bigger stones, if they wind up moving on from him sometime in the next couple weeks. On a side note, its impressive that not only has the team weathered the blow of making that colossal investment with basically no return, but arguably they are actually better off moving forward at the most important position in sports. Granted not having those high end assets that were given away in the Lance trade will contunue to have ripple effects on the overall roster and salary cap for the next few years. Still, almost every other time a team makes a huge investment into a young QB like that and it fails, it usually has widespread negative effects and cripples the franchise for the next several years.


I also find it ironic that a lot of people are trashing the organization for supposedly not being able to develop Lance, yet not be willing to give them any credit for unearthing Brock Purdy and catapulting him on his meteoric rise. Criticism for the trade up, aftermath with Lance is certainly valid, but it shouldn't be mutually exclusive to not prasing the organization for the Brock Purdy equation.

In conclusion, I still want Lance on this team and haven't lost all hope with him. But that is looking quite iffy currently. We shall see

Except we’re hearing a lot of what is going on on the practice field during training camp this year. Grant Cohn has been reporting that Purdy has thrown a ton of picks and and basically stunk it up without any consequences. How exactly is that fair at all to Lance?

[thesack12]

This whole Trey Lance conundrum is not about Sam Darnold at all, its entirely about Brock Purdy.

If Brock Purdy is still carrying big time concerns about his elbow, or is the version of Brock Purdy that 99.999 % of the people on this planet expected him to be when he was drafted as Mr Irrelevant, then Trey Lance is still easily the starter going into this season. Sure they may have still brought in a guy like Darnold to push Trey in camp (unlike last season when laughably Nate Sudfeld was the only thing "pushing" Lance,) but in that scenario Lance would of course be the best long term prospect thus worthwhile of prioritizing his development.

Trey Lance has not been mistreated by the organization. He was literally handed the keys to the franchise going into last season, without actually "earning" it. To no fault of his own the ankle injury in week 2, derailed his grip on being the franchise guy. That injury not only changed the course of his career, but also the course of the franchise's future.

Brock Purdy changed the Trey Lance equation entirely. Not only is Brock Pury currently the best QB on the roster, but in the organization's eyes he's apparently also the best long term prospect at QB as well. You can disagree with the latter part of that statement, but its clearly how the organization sees it. Which that being the case, its extraordinarily difficult to try and develop 2 very young QB's simultaneously.

As for QB2, the backup QB is more about being able to step in at a moment's notice and provide a stable relatively high floor level of play. We can all debate and discuss how we feel about Sam Darnold overall, but right now he's showing to be a better player than Lance is. Thus looking like a better option to fill that QB2 role.

We are all incredibly disappointed with how the trade up, and its results have parlayed out so far. We are all quite bummed that we haven't been able to see much of Trey Lance on the field. That said, we as fans don't get to see what happens on the practice field, and behind closed doors. There does exist a possibility that Trey is not advancing his development via the things we don't see (film room, feel for the playbook, connectability/trust with his teammates, etc.) Maybe some of these intangibles have played a part as well. In other words, until I see/hear differently I'm not going to pin Lance's lack of development entirely on the organization's shoulders. Its quite common that some guys just don't pan out.

I will also again mention, that despite how brutal that trade up looks now, I will give the organization a lot of credit for not falling into the sunken cost trap with Trey. It takes some stones to not give into the pressure to and play Lance simply because of his draft positioning. It will take even bigger stones, if they wind up moving on from him sometime in the next couple weeks. On a side note, its impressive that not only has the team weathered the blow of making that colossal investment with basically no return, but arguably they are actually better off moving forward at the most important position in sports. Granted not having those high end assets that were given away in the Lance trade will contunue to have ripple effects on the overall roster and salary cap for the next few years. Still, almost every other time a team makes a huge investment into a young QB like that and it fails, it usually has widespread negative effects and cripples the franchise for the next several years.


I also find it ironic that a lot of people are trashing the organization for supposedly not being able to develop Lance, yet not be willing to give them any credit for unearthing Brock Purdy and catapulting him on his meteoric rise. Criticism for the trade up, aftermath with Lance is certainly valid, but it shouldn't be mutually exclusive to not prasing the organization for the Brock Purdy equation.

In conclusion, I still want Lance on this team and haven't lost all hope with him. But that is looking quite iffy currently. We shall see

Except we’re hearing a lot of what is going on on the practice field during training camp this year. Grant Cohn has been reporting that Purdy has thrown a ton of picks and and basically stunk it up without any consequences. How exactly is that fair at all to Lance?

The portion of practices that is open to the media, is hardly a window into being able to see the full picture. Nor is it something to put a whole lot of stock into. Having said that, I realize thats mostly all of what we as fans have at our disposal to consume and evaluate. But its a very small piece of the puzzle that is used in the decision making process by the team.

Besides its not like Trey has been lighting up practice/camp/preseason anyways.

Jimmy threw a lot of practice/camp picks and was largely fine when it actually mattered. In regards to being "fair" what have you seen from Trey while he was on the field (whether it be in limited regular season appearances or the first 2 preseason games this year) that warrants it being "fair" to Brock if Trey was given the starting job?

Most of these "fairness" type arguments sure seem to disregard the other side of the equation.

[Big J]

This whole Trey Lance conundrum is not about Sam Darnold at all, its entirely about Brock Purdy.

If Brock Purdy is still carrying big time concerns about his elbow, or is the version of Brock Purdy that 99.999 % of the people on this planet expected him to be when he was drafted as Mr Irrelevant, then Trey Lance is still easily the starter going into this season. Sure they may have still brought in a guy like Darnold to push Trey in camp (unlike last season when laughably Nate Sudfeld was the only thing "pushing" Lance,) but in that scenario Lance would of course be the best long term prospect thus worthwhile of prioritizing his development.

Trey Lance has not been mistreated by the organization. He was literally handed the keys to the franchise going into last season, without actually "earning" it. To no fault of his own the ankle injury in week 2, derailed his grip on being the franchise guy. That injury not only changed the course of his career, but also the course of the franchise's future.

Brock Purdy changed the Trey Lance equation entirely. Not only is Brock Pury currently the best QB on the roster, but in the organization's eyes he's apparently also the best long term prospect at QB as well. You can disagree with the latter part of that statement, but its clearly how the organization sees it. Which that being the case, its extraordinarily difficult to try and develop 2 very young QB's simultaneously.

As for QB2, the backup QB is more about being able to step in at a moment's notice and provide a stable relatively high floor level of play. We can all debate and discuss how we feel about Sam Darnold overall, but right now he's showing to be a better player than Lance is. Thus looking like a better option to fill that QB2 role.

We are all incredibly disappointed with how the trade up, and its results have parlayed out so far. We are all quite bummed that we haven't been able to see much of Trey Lance on the field. That said, we as fans don't get to see what happens on the practice field, and behind closed doors. There does exist a possibility that Trey is not advancing his development via the things we don't see (film room, feel for the playbook, connectability/trust with his teammates, etc.) Maybe some of these intangibles have played a part as well. In other words, until I see/hear differently I'm not going to pin Lance's lack of development entirely on the organization's shoulders. Its quite common that some guys just don't pan out.

I will also again mention, that despite how brutal that trade up looks now, I will give the organization a lot of credit for not falling into the sunken cost trap with Trey. It takes some stones to not give into the pressure to and play Lance simply because of his draft positioning. It will take even bigger stones, if they wind up moving on from him sometime in the next couple weeks. On a side note, its impressive that not only has the team weathered the blow of making that colossal investment with basically no return, but arguably they are actually better off moving forward at the most important position in sports. Granted not having those high end assets that were given away in the Lance trade will contunue to have ripple effects on the overall roster and salary cap for the next few years. Still, almost every other time a team makes a huge investment into a young QB like that and it fails, it usually has widespread negative effects and cripples the franchise for the next several years.


I also find it ironic that a lot of people are trashing the organization for supposedly not being able to develop Lance, yet not be willing to give them any credit for unearthing Brock Purdy and catapulting him on his meteoric rise. Criticism for the trade up, aftermath with Lance is certainly valid, but it shouldn't be mutually exclusive to not prasing the organization for the Brock Purdy equation.

In conclusion, I still want Lance on this team and haven't lost all hope with him. But that is looking quite iffy currently. We shall see

Except we’re hearing a lot of what is going on on the practice field during training camp this year. Grant Cohn has been reporting that Purdy has thrown a ton of picks and and basically stunk it up without any consequences. How exactly is that fair at all to Lance?

The portion of practices that is open to the media, is hardly a window into being able to see the full picture. Nor is it something to put a whole lot of stock into. Having said that, I realize thats mostly all of what we as fans have at our disposal to consume and evaluate. But its a very small piece of the puzzle that is used in the decision making process by the team.

Besides its not like Trey has been lighting up practice/camp/preseason anyways.

Jimmy threw a lot of practice/camp picks and was largely fine when it actually mattered. In regards to being "fair" what have you seen from Trey while he was on the field (whether it be in limited regular season appearances or the first 2 preseason games this year) that warrants it being "fair" to Brock if Trey was given the starting job?

Most of these "fairness" type arguments sure seem to disregard the other side of the equation.

It just doesn’t make any sense that people say that when Brock throws picks in practice doesn’t matter, but every little error that Trey makes in practice is scrutinized to the nth degree. Brock is freaking tiny and doesn’t have any of the measurables that the elite guys in this league possess. He caps out as the second coming of Jimmy G. Whereas Trey could easily become a Mahomes or Watson level talent in a few years with his physical attributes.

[wco81]

Right, but that goes to my point. They took a guy whose primary weakness EVERYONE agreed was lack of reps, gave him practically none his rookie season…ie compounded the agreed upon problem, and then were somehow caught off guard that he wasn’t lighting it up from day One of his anointed year? That to me is not a Trey problem, it’s an organizational complete lack of a sensible developmental program for him problem.

Yeah they've botched so many FRPs, including top 5 FRPs.

Plus we hear rumors, how Shanahan wanted Mac Jones, who's a low ceiling guy and how Lynch and others had to talk him out of it.

They lucked out with Purdy and Garappolo was kind of a giveaway by the Pats.

Otherwise, the record would be ugly.

[thesack12]

Except we’re hearing a lot of what is going on on the practice field during training camp this year. Grant Cohn has been reporting that Purdy has thrown a ton of picks and and basically stunk it up without any consequences. How exactly is that fair at all to Lance?

The portion of practices that is open to the media, is hardly a window into being able to see the full picture. Nor is it something to put a whole lot of stock into. Having said that, I realize thats mostly all of what we as fans have at our disposal to consume and evaluate. But its a very small piece of the puzzle that is used in the decision making process by the team.

Besides its not like Trey has been lighting up practice/camp/preseason anyways.

Jimmy threw a lot of practice/camp picks and was largely fine when it actually mattered. In regards to being "fair" what have you seen from Trey while he was on the field (whether it be in limited regular season appearances or the first 2 preseason games this year) that warrants it being "fair" to Brock if Trey was given the starting job?

Most of these "fairness" type arguments sure seem to disregard the other side of the equation.

It just doesn’t make any sense that people say that when Brock throws picks in practice doesn’t matter, but every little error that Trey makes in practice is scrutinized to the nth degree. Brock is freaking tiny and doesn’t have any of the measurables that the elite guys in this league possess. He caps out as the second coming of Jimmy G. Whereas Trey could easily become a Mahomes or Watson level talent in a few years with his physical attributes.

What are the stakes on the line during practice/camp? What are the repercussions of the results of any play during practice?

Also, why are you not concerned with interceptions that Trey throws in practices? Let alone the terrible ones he threw in both preseason games.

Trey Lance could be turn out to be a lot of things, including being a Vince Young, EJ Manuel, or Jake Locker type of talent.