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Pattersonca65 wrote:Big J wrote:Pattersonca65 wrote:
These comps fail far more than they materialize. These guys get it wrong all the time. The success rate of first round QBs is about 34%
That’s not really the point, but whatever. There is a reason that they all make comps.
Um, it kinda is. Your comps are BS
CrimsonCrew wrote:Big J wrote:CrimsonCrew wrote:
I'm not using them as comps, I'm merely pointing out that these guys developed - in some cases considerably - as players. Quite a lot in the case of Brees and Brady. And Manning, widely considered the headiest QB possibly ever, wasn't that guy two years in. To the extent that they could be considered "comps," they are reasonable comparisons to Purdy because none possessed elite tangibles. Manning had a very good but not elite arm, but very little in the movement department. The other two really had no discernible physical traits, and demonstrably weak arms, but turned into elite deep ball throwers.
Most NFL players develop during their careers. Some didn't, and many plateaued earlier than hoped. We don't know what will happen with Purdy, but it would be unusual for him not to improve at all from his second season. You are the one who is arguing he's maxed out. I'm simply saying that's a silly position that isn't rooted in any sort of reality. Will Purdy be the next Drew Brees? It's pretty unlikely. But I don't think there's any reason to unequivocally rule it out at this point, either.
Purdy reminds me a lot of Doug Flutie. The plucky little underdog who is fun to root for. Flutie played in a different era, and had a different start to his career, but there are a lot of similarities.
Re: Manning in particular, he came out as one of if not the most advanced QBs in league history. Pedigree, lineage. He'd been a QB since birth basically. And even he improved a lot from the time he entered the league. So why wouldn't we expect Purdy to?
I didn't watch enough of Flutie to have a strong recollection of him, but even accounting for a different era, his completion percentage was never above 60%, and those were small sample sizes. In full seasons, he was closer to 57%. Even accounting for supporting cast and coaching, Purdy has been really good. Why do you feel so compelled to rush to dismiss him? We've got over a year-and-a-half to see what happens with him.
And in the short term, there's no doubt but that he was the better choice than Lance.
Big J wrote:CrimsonCrew wrote:Big J wrote:
Purdy reminds me a lot of Doug Flutie. The plucky little underdog who is fun to root for. Flutie played in a different era, and had a different start to his career, but there are a lot of similarities.
Re: Manning in particular, he came out as one of if not the most advanced QBs in league history. Pedigree, lineage. He'd been a QB since birth basically. And even he improved a lot from the time he entered the league. So why wouldn't we expect Purdy to?
I didn't watch enough of Flutie to have a strong recollection of him, but even accounting for a different era, his completion percentage was never above 60%, and those were small sample sizes. In full seasons, he was closer to 57%. Even accounting for supporting cast and coaching, Purdy has been really good. Why do you feel so compelled to rush to dismiss him? We've got over a year-and-a-half to see what happens with him.
And in the short term, there's no doubt but that he was the better choice than Lance.
Doug Flutie is a dismissal? He was actually really good back in the day. He led some terrible Bills teams to the playoffs. Completion percentages are completely different now then they were back then. You can't just make a 1 to 1 comp from now to the 90s on them.
Big J wrote:Look, I really hate knocking Purdy, because he seems like a really nice kid. Just trying to be honest about his true value here, and I find it hard to believe that the team can win with a limited QB. You see the limitations more in a game like the Browns one because of the weather and the missing playmakers. Does anyone actually believe that he'd be killing it as much as he is if he were on a different team?
thesack12 wrote:Big J wrote:Look, I really hate knocking Purdy, because he seems like a really nice kid. Just trying to be honest about his true value here, and I find it hard to believe that the team can win with a limited QB. You see the limitations more in a game like the Browns one because of the weather and the missing playmakers. Does anyone actually believe that he'd be killing it as much as he is if he were on a different team?
Yeah, I'm not buying that at all. You have more than proven this is not the case.
The content of at least 90% of your posts on this board has been disparaging to Purdy. Yet, you have never gave him a shred of credit for anything. Not even a "nice throw" type of post in a game thread, which would be related to a single play and not go against your "Purdy can't win in the playoffs" narrative.
Its one thing to be concerned with a guy's true ceiling, its entirely another if you incessantly spout the same tired narrative with nothing more than your own opinion to back it. All you do is constantly contradict your own takes, and change the metrics to better fit your own opinion.
We get it dude, you don't think Purdy is a quality QB. Which is fine, but bring something more compelling to the table if you want to be taken seriously and have productive debates around here.
thesack12 wrote:Big J wrote:Look, I really hate knocking Purdy, because he seems like a really nice kid. Just trying to be honest about his true value here, and I find it hard to believe that the team can win with a limited QB. You see the limitations more in a game like the Browns one because of the weather and the missing playmakers. Does anyone actually believe that he'd be killing it as much as he is if he were on a different team?
Yeah, I'm not buying that at all. You have more than proven this is not the case.
The content of at least 90% of your posts on this board has been disparaging to Purdy. Yet, you have never gave him a shred of credit for anything. Not even a "nice throw" type of post in a game thread, which would be related to a single play and not go against your "Purdy can't win in the playoffs" narrative.
Its one thing to be concerned with a guy's true ceiling, its entirely another if you incessantly spout the same tired narrative with nothing more than your own opinion to back it. All you do is constantly contradict your own takes, and change the metrics to better fit your own opinion.
We get it dude, you don't think Purdy is a quality QB. Which is fine, but bring something more compelling to the table if you want to be taken seriously and have productive debates around here.
Big J wrote:CrimsonCrew wrote:Big J wrote::wink:
Manning, Brady, Brees? Can’t we use a little more realistic comps? These 3 are all first ballot HOFers.
I'm not using them as comps, I'm merely pointing out that these guys developed - in some cases considerably - as players. Quite a lot in the case of Brees and Brady. And Manning, widely considered the headiest QB possibly ever, wasn't that guy two years in. To the extent that they could be considered "comps," they are reasonable comparisons to Purdy because none possessed elite tangibles. Manning had a very good but not elite arm, but very little in the movement department. The other two really had no discernible physical traits, and demonstrably weak arms, but turned into elite deep ball throwers.
Most NFL players develop during their careers. Some didn't, and many plateaued earlier than hoped. We don't know what will happen with Purdy, but it would be unusual for him not to improve at all from his second season. You are the one who is arguing he's maxed out. I'm simply saying that's a silly position that isn't rooted in any sort of reality. Will Purdy be the next Drew Brees? It's pretty unlikely. But I don't think there's any reason to unequivocally rule it out at this point, either.
Purdy reminds me a lot of Doug Flutie. The plucky little underdog who is fun to root for. Flutie played in a different era, and had a different start to his career, but there are a lot of similarities.
Big J wrote:thesack12 wrote:Big J wrote:Look, I really hate knocking Purdy, because he seems like a really nice kid. Just trying to be honest about his true value here, and I find it hard to believe that the team can win with a limited QB. You see the limitations more in a game like the Browns one because of the weather and the missing playmakers. Does anyone actually believe that he'd be killing it as much as he is if he were on a different team?
Yeah, I'm not buying that at all. You have more than proven this is not the case.
The content of at least 90% of your posts on this board has been disparaging to Purdy. Yet, you have never gave him a shred of credit for anything. Not even a "nice throw" type of post in a game thread, which would be related to a single play and not go against your "Purdy can't win in the playoffs" narrative.
Its one thing to be concerned with a guy's true ceiling, its entirely another if you incessantly spout the same tired narrative with nothing more than your own opinion to back it. All you do is constantly contradict your own takes, and change the metrics to better fit your own opinion.
We get it dude, you don't think Purdy is a quality QB. Which is fine, but bring something more compelling to the table if you want to be taken seriously and have productive debates around here.
Question for you: Do you think Kirk Cousins is a quality QB?
arich35 wrote:thesack12 wrote:Big J wrote:Look, I really hate knocking Purdy, because he seems like a really nice kid. Just trying to be honest about his true value here, and I find it hard to believe that the team can win with a limited QB. You see the limitations more in a game like the Browns one because of the weather and the missing playmakers. Does anyone actually believe that he'd be killing it as much as he is if he were on a different team?
Yeah, I'm not buying that at all. You have more than proven this is not the case.
The content of at least 90% of your posts on this board has been disparaging to Purdy. Yet, you have never gave him a shred of credit for anything. Not even a "nice throw" type of post in a game thread, which would be related to a single play and not go against your "Purdy can't win in the playoffs" narrative.
Its one thing to be concerned with a guy's true ceiling, its entirely another if you incessantly spout the same tired narrative with nothing more than your own opinion to back it. All you do is constantly contradict your own takes, and change the metrics to better fit your own opinion.
We get it dude, you don't think Purdy is a quality QB. Which is fine, but bring something more compelling to the table if you want to be taken seriously and have productive debates around here.
Only time he has ever popped in the gamethreads is when Purdy had a few bad throws in a row.
Big J wrote:thesack12 wrote:Big J wrote:Look, I really hate knocking Purdy, because he seems like a really nice kid. Just trying to be honest about his true value here, and I find it hard to believe that the team can win with a limited QB. You see the limitations more in a game like the Browns one because of the weather and the missing playmakers. Does anyone actually believe that he'd be killing it as much as he is if he were on a different team?
Yeah, I'm not buying that at all. You have more than proven this is not the case.
The content of at least 90% of your posts on this board has been disparaging to Purdy. Yet, you have never gave him a shred of credit for anything. Not even a "nice throw" type of post in a game thread, which would be related to a single play and not go against your "Purdy can't win in the playoffs" narrative.
Its one thing to be concerned with a guy's true ceiling, its entirely another if you incessantly spout the same tired narrative with nothing more than your own opinion to back it. All you do is constantly contradict your own takes, and change the metrics to better fit your own opinion.
We get it dude, you don't think Purdy is a quality QB. Which is fine, but bring something more compelling to the table if you want to be taken seriously and have productive debates around here.
Question for you: Do you think Kirk Cousins is a quality QB?
CrimsonCrew wrote:Big J wrote:thesack12 wrote:
Yeah, I'm not buying that at all. You have more than proven this is not the case.
The content of at least 90% of your posts on this board has been disparaging to Purdy. Yet, you have never gave him a shred of credit for anything. Not even a "nice throw" type of post in a game thread, which would be related to a single play and not go against your "Purdy can't win in the playoffs" narrative.
Its one thing to be concerned with a guy's true ceiling, its entirely another if you incessantly spout the same tired narrative with nothing more than your own opinion to back it. All you do is constantly contradict your own takes, and change the metrics to better fit your own opinion.
We get it dude, you don't think Purdy is a quality QB. Which is fine, but bring something more compelling to the table if you want to be taken seriously and have productive debates around here.
Question for you: Do you think Kirk Cousins is a quality QB?
A quality QB? Definitely. A franchise QB who can carry his team? No. If he is, you've got a problem. But that's not due to his pure physical ability. Some guys just have it in a way that others don't. Cousins has never had it in the way that the greats do. Does Purdy? I don't know. But I think there's at least a chance that he does. He has a preternatural calmness and maturity to him, and drew his teammates to him even in a way that Lance - who is known for being a stellar guy off the field who naturally connects with others - did not.
We've seen Purdy put together a string of remarkable performances to start his career, and even in an awful game like the one this week, he displayed a get-it-done attitude in that final drive to put us in position to win. Cousins hasn't shown that he possesses those traits in 12 years in the league.
thesack12 wrote:Big J wrote:thesack12 wrote:
Yeah, I'm not buying that at all. You have more than proven this is not the case.
The content of at least 90% of your posts on this board has been disparaging to Purdy. Yet, you have never gave him a shred of credit for anything. Not even a "nice throw" type of post in a game thread, which would be related to a single play and not go against your "Purdy can't win in the playoffs" narrative.
Its one thing to be concerned with a guy's true ceiling, its entirely another if you incessantly spout the same tired narrative with nothing more than your own opinion to back it. All you do is constantly contradict your own takes, and change the metrics to better fit your own opinion.
We get it dude, you don't think Purdy is a quality QB. Which is fine, but bring something more compelling to the table if you want to be taken seriously and have productive debates around here.
Question for you: Do you think Kirk Cousins is a quality QB?
In Fantasy football, sure. Real life, nope.
Big J wrote:thesack12 wrote:Big J wrote:
Question for you: Do you think Kirk Cousins is a quality QB?
In Fantasy football, sure. Real life, nope.
Okay, well I think Purdy is on the same level as Kirk & both teams would look about the same if they swapped QBs. Purdy is off to a hot start, but there are still a ton of questions that he hasn't answered yet, and we don't know how his career is going to turn out. He's still got a ways to go to match Cousins in win totals alone.
thesack12 wrote:Big J wrote:thesack12 wrote:
In Fantasy football, sure. Real life, nope.
Okay, well I think Purdy is on the same level as Kirk & both teams would look about the same if they swapped QBs. Purdy is off to a hot start, but there are still a ton of questions that he hasn't answered yet, and we don't know how his career is going to turn out. He's still got a ways to go to match Cousins in win totals alone.
You can't be serious trying to talk about win totals between a guy that has started 11 career games and another that has started 143 games?
Besides, in case you didn't know Brock Purdy has 2 career playoff wins and Cousins has 1. So if you wanna talk win totals, lets talk about the most important types of wins.
Brock Purdy won more playoffs games As A ROOKIE than Kirk Cousins has won in his 12 year career.
Big J wrote:Pattersonca65 wrote:Big J wrote:
That’s not really the point, but whatever. There is a reason that they all make comps.
Um, it kinda is. Your comps are BS
Yea, well so are yours. You don't even have the balls to make one.
Big J wrote:thesack12 wrote:Big J wrote:
Question for you: Do you think Kirk Cousins is a quality QB?
In Fantasy football, sure. Real life, nope.
Okay, well I think Purdy is on the same level as Kirk & both teams would look about the same if they swapped QBs. Purdy is off to a hot start, but there are still a ton of questions that he hasn't answered yet, and we don't know how his career is going to turn out. He's still got a ways to go to match Cousins in win totals alone.
CrimsonCrew wrote:Big J wrote:thesack12 wrote:
In Fantasy football, sure. Real life, nope.
Okay, well I think Purdy is on the same level as Kirk & both teams would look about the same if they swapped QBs. Purdy is off to a hot start, but there are still a ton of questions that he hasn't answered yet, and we don't know how his career is going to turn out. He's still got a ways to go to match Cousins in win totals alone.
So does Mahomes. To say nothing of Allen, Hurts, Herbert, etc., who are all trailing Cousins' win totals by sizable margins. What exactly is the point you're trying to make with that statement?
Big J wrote:CrimsonCrew wrote:Big J wrote:
Okay, well I think Purdy is on the same level as Kirk & both teams would look about the same if they swapped QBs. Purdy is off to a hot start, but there are still a ton of questions that he hasn't answered yet, and we don't know how his career is going to turn out. He's still got a ways to go to match Cousins in win totals alone.
So does Mahomes. To say nothing of Allen, Hurts, Herbert, etc., who are all trailing Cousins' win totals by sizable margins. What exactly is the point you're trying to make with that statement?
My point is that Purdy was a backup quarterback only 10 games ago. He has done well, but let’s say he has 5 more games like the browns game, or he blows out his UCL again. He’s back to being a backup, or possibly cut. None of those other guys are at risk of that.
arich35 wrote:thesack12 wrote:Big J wrote:Look, I really hate knocking Purdy, because he seems like a really nice kid. Just trying to be honest about his true value here, and I find it hard to believe that the team can win with a limited QB. You see the limitations more in a game like the Browns one because of the weather and the missing playmakers. Does anyone actually believe that he'd be killing it as much as he is if he were on a different team?
Yeah, I'm not buying that at all. You have more than proven this is not the case.
The content of at least 90% of your posts on this board has been disparaging to Purdy. Yet, you have never gave him a shred of credit for anything. Not even a "nice throw" type of post in a game thread, which would be related to a single play and not go against your "Purdy can't win in the playoffs" narrative.
Its one thing to be concerned with a guy's true ceiling, its entirely another if you incessantly spout the same tired narrative with nothing more than your own opinion to back it. All you do is constantly contradict your own takes, and change the metrics to better fit your own opinion.
We get it dude, you don't think Purdy is a quality QB. Which is fine, but bring something more compelling to the table if you want to be taken seriously and have productive debates around here.
Only time he has ever popped in the gamethreads is when Purdy had a few bad throws in a row.
Pattersonca65 wrote:arich35 wrote:thesack12 wrote:
Yeah, I'm not buying that at all. You have more than proven this is not the case.
The content of at least 90% of your posts on this board has been disparaging to Purdy. Yet, you have never gave him a shred of credit for anything. Not even a "nice throw" type of post in a game thread, which would be related to a single play and not go against your "Purdy can't win in the playoffs" narrative.
Its one thing to be concerned with a guy's true ceiling, its entirely another if you incessantly spout the same tired narrative with nothing more than your own opinion to back it. All you do is constantly contradict your own takes, and change the metrics to better fit your own opinion.
We get it dude, you don't think Purdy is a quality QB. Which is fine, but bring something more compelling to the table if you want to be taken seriously and have productive debates around here.
Only time he has ever popped in the gamethreads is when Purdy had a few bad throws in a row.
Reminds me of the Alex Smith trolls at the old ESPN message boards