2024 Off-Season

[Pattersonca65]

Kingston out, too. Thought he might have shown enough to stick, and we're set to lose Banks next year. Hopefully he sticks on the PS. At least OL isn't a position where teams are super likely to poach our cut players. Seems like we're keeping extra LBs.

Mitchell out for the year. He is jinxed. Cant stay healthy

[RIPskaterdude]

Well now I'm totally at a loss. We cut Saubert, Thomas, and Saubert at TE. So we only have Kittle and Tonges. Did we make a trade? Are we grabbing someone who was cut? How can we go into the season with only two TEs? Unless we think we'll get Saubert through waivers and will bring him back.

They will bring back a TE after they put Feliciano and Thomas on IR

[CrimsonCrew]

Trey has never been given the full reigns to run a team. We won't know what he is until that happens.

Are you kidding? Lance was handed the starting job in 2022. He had a decent first preseason game (numbers look great because of a long TD pass, but a film review leaves some questions), didn't play in the second (not his fault), and struggled a bit in the third. Then he came out and choked in a week one game we had no business losing. And then he was injured because he doesn't know how to protect himself when he runs in a league where he can't physically dominate LBs.

What has Lance done in his NFL career to show that he deserves to be handed the reins of a team? Again, in his fourth season, he can't even read vanilla preseason defenses during live action.

He deserved a chance because he was drafted with the 3rd overall pick. Why trade 3 1st rounders and take him 3rd overall if you are only going to give him 1 1/2 regular season games to show out?

He got a chance. He was literally handed a starting job that he did not deserve. He played poorly in one game and lost to a 3-14 team. And then he got injured running a pretty rudimentary play. And sure, Shanahan ran him too much, but that's because Lance clearly showed him that he just wasn't up to winning games as a passer.

Last year, he was awful in the preseason. He missed easy reads, threw to the wrong place. And he continues to do so now. Other than his draft status, why in the world would anyone trust this guy to start NFL games at the most important position.

[CrimsonCrew]

I haven't looked at the set roster yet, but seems we're going heavy at LB, S, and WR (I think Ronnie Bell made it?). Relatively thin at RB (I'm surprised we cut Schrader after moving Mitchell to IR), very thin at TE.

[WentzerWuver]

Trey has never been given the full reigns to run a team. We won't know what he is until that happens.

Are you kidding? Lance was handed the starting job in 2022. He had a decent first preseason game (numbers look great because of a long TD pass, but a film review leaves some questions), didn't play in the second (not his fault), and struggled a bit in the third. Then he came out and choked in a week one game we had no business losing. And then he was injured because he doesn't know how to protect himself when he runs in a league where he can't physically dominate LBs.

What has Lance done in his NFL career to show that he deserves to be handed the reins of a team? Again, in his fourth season, he can't even read vanilla preseason defenses during live action.

He deserved a chance because he was drafted with the 3rd overall pick. Why trade 3 1st rounders and take him 3rd overall if you are only going to give him 1 1/2 regular season games to show out?

Shanahan wanted Mac as he was the NFL most ready to start QB in that draft class by a mile but the FO with Lynch wanted the QB with the highest upside in Trey Lance.

https://youtu.be/bgJS6BzZavE?si=dK-O5A4yQFuTv2Sk

The common rule of thinking for all sports when drafting players is that you draft for the highest ceiling / low floor players on a rebuilding team but take the highest floor / low ceiling guys on a contender to win the SB now, not to develop down the road.

https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/sports/nbcsports/nfl-rumors-kyle-shanahan-wants-mac-jones-personnel-team-wants-trey-lance/2528403/

https://youtu.be/q7fzjOQHVgw?si=jFxHlEwNhHfSAYrK

[CrimsonCrew]

Okay, looked at the actual roster breakdown now. They kept Patrick Taylor over Schrader. That's a bit of a shock, but maybe they like his STs value. Ronnie Bell did make it. He had a strong camp, but man, he looked awful in all the preseason games. Only two TEs, as noted, and Tonges is one of them. That's pretty wild. I'm shocked they cut Saubert, but maybe they have a gentleman's agreement to bring him back after moving guys to injury lists. Feliciano is on the 53 right now.

On defense, a bit of a surprise they kept Sam Okuayinonu, but they are super thin at DE with the Floyd and Gross-Matos injuries. They kept six LBs, but cut Jalen Graham. I would have kept him over DFF, but DFF's salary is fully guaranteed. Hopefully he comes back to the PS. A little surprised they kept Bethune, but he's got STs upside. Pretty shocked they used a roster spot on Thomas. Presumably he will also go to IR, and I wouldn't be surprised if the team had another of those gentlemen's agreements with Ya-Sin, but I hate risking losing good young players to keep Thomas around. Granted he may have a role next year as we could be super thin at CB. For some reason I was thinking they kept five safeties, but it's only four with Huf activated.

[CrimsonCrew]

Well now I'm totally at a loss. We cut Saubert, Thomas, and Saubert at TE. So we only have Kittle and Tonges. Did we make a trade? Are we grabbing someone who was cut? How can we go into the season with only two TEs? Unless we think we'll get Saubert through waivers and will bring him back.

They will bring back a TE after they put Feliciano and Thomas on IR

Meant to say Saubert, Thomas, and Pline. But yes, Saubert doesn't have to go through waivers, so they probably told him they'd bring him back tomorrow after they move guys to IR.

[CrimsonCrew]

Are you kidding? Lance was handed the starting job in 2022. He had a decent first preseason game (numbers look great because of a long TD pass, but a film review leaves some questions), didn't play in the second (not his fault), and struggled a bit in the third. Then he came out and choked in a week one game we had no business losing. And then he was injured because he doesn't know how to protect himself when he runs in a league where he can't physically dominate LBs.

What has Lance done in his NFL career to show that he deserves to be handed the reins of a team? Again, in his fourth season, he can't even read vanilla preseason defenses during live action.

He deserved a chance because he was drafted with the 3rd overall pick. Why trade 3 1st rounders and take him 3rd overall if you are only going to give him 1 1/2 regular season games to show out?

Shanahan wanted Mac as he was the NFL most ready to start QB in the draft but the FO wanted the QB with the highest upside in Trey along with Lynch.

https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/sports/nbcsports/nfl-rumors-kyle-shanahan-wants-mac-jones-personnel-team-wants-trey-lance/2528403/

https://youtu.be/q7fzjOQHVgw?si=jFxHlEwNhHfSAYrK

I just don't believe that Shanahan let himself be overruled on a QB. I think he liked Jones, but came around to Lance. If he let them veto him as the final voice on personnel, he still deserves the heat for the pick. Of all places for Shanahan not to be a control freak, it's with the QB of the future?

[zman1]

When did this happen??

Read on Twitter

Again? He is great when healthy but that is far too rare. Dang.

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[Pattersonca65]

He deserved a chance because he was drafted with the 3rd overall pick. Why trade 3 1st rounders and take him 3rd overall if you are only going to give him 1 1/2 regular season games to show out?

Shanahan wanted Mac as he was the NFL most ready to start QB in the draft but the FO wanted the QB with the highest upside in Trey along with Lynch.

https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/sports/nbcsports/nfl-rumors-kyle-shanahan-wants-mac-jones-personnel-team-wants-trey-lance/2528403/

https://youtu.be/q7fzjOQHVgw?si=jFxHlEwNhHfSAYrK

I just don't believe that Shanahan let himself be overruled on a QB. I think he liked Jones, but came around to Lance. If he let them veto him as the final voice on personnel, he still deserves the heat for the pick. Of all places for Shanahan not to be a control freak, it's with the QB of the future?

Up that point all of the 49er QB choices were clearly Shanahan's choices like Hoyer and Beathard. The only puzzling thing is Lance never really appeared to be the type of QB Shanahan wanted although maybe he saw something in him he thought he could change. I also remember Shanahan and Lynch were both clearly disappointed in Jones' pro day at one point Shanahan couldn't hide a grimace at one of Jones' throws.

[WentzerWuver]

Shanahan wanted Mac as he was the NFL most ready to start QB in the draft but the FO wanted the QB with the highest upside in Trey along with Lynch.

https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/sports/nbcsports/nfl-rumors-kyle-shanahan-wants-mac-jones-personnel-team-wants-trey-lance/2528403/

https://youtu.be/q7fzjOQHVgw?si=jFxHlEwNhHfSAYrK

I just don't believe that Shanahan let himself be overruled on a QB. I think he liked Jones, but came around to Lance. If he let them veto him as the final voice on personnel, he still deserves the heat for the pick. Of all places for Shanahan not to be a control freak, it's with the QB of the future?

Up that point all of the 49er QB choices were clearly Shanahan's choices like Hoyer and Beathard. The only puzzling thing is Lance never really appeared to be the type of QB Shanahan wanted although maybe he saw something in him he thought he could change. I also remember Shanahan and Lynch were both clearly disappointed in Jones' pro day at one point Shanahan couldn't hide a grimace at one of Jones' throws.

Imagine had they just bite the bullet and took 2x pro bowler Sewell instead. The media will have a field day criticizing them for trading 3 first round picks for an OT but it would have solved any Trent Williams dilemma that would have come later, like now.

https://youtube.com/shorts/TGKmPn0uHug?si=me0daiiB_vgfiV_8

Gotta love those pancakes

https://youtube.com/shorts/A8E1KdJBd7A?si=-qOT9K2DEVLKrIO7

[Harry Palmer]

Are you kidding? Lance was handed the starting job in 2022. He had a decent first preseason game (numbers look great because of a long TD pass, but a film review leaves some questions), didn't play in the second (not his fault), and struggled a bit in the third. Then he came out and choked in a week one game we had no business losing. And then he was injured because he doesn't know how to protect himself when he runs in a league where he can't physically dominate LBs.

What has Lance done in his NFL career to show that he deserves to be handed the reins of a team? Again, in his fourth season, he can't even read vanilla preseason defenses during live action.

He deserved a chance because he was drafted with the 3rd overall pick. Why trade 3 1st rounders and take him 3rd overall if you are only going to give him 1 1/2 regular season games to show out?

Shanahan wanted Mac as he was the NFL most ready to start QB in that draft class by a mile but the FO with Lynch wanted the QB with the highest upside in Trey Lance.

https://youtu.be/bgJS6BzZavE?si=dK-O5A4yQFuTv2Sk

The common rule of thinking for all sports when drafting players is that you draft for the highest ceiling / low floor players on a rebuilding team but take the highest floor / low ceiling guys on a contender to win the SB now, not to develop down the road.

https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/sports/nbcsports/nfl-rumors-kyle-shanahan-wants-mac-jones-personnel-team-wants-trey-lance/2528403/

https://youtu.be/q7fzjOQHVgw?si=jFxHlEwNhHfSAYrK

I would say, though, that the whole point of the exercise was to get one of those rare talents, so it was much more understandable to go high ceiling. The issue was really moving too soon and never really agreeing on what they wanted, exactly.

[CrimsonCrew]

Niners taking some hits on cuts. Jarrett Kingston to the Panthers, Jalen Graham to the Commanders, Cody Schrader to the Rams, and Samuel Womack to the Colts.

All guys who were high on the list of players I wanted on the practice squad. I would have definitely kept Graham over DFF, who simply is not an NFL caliber defensive player whatever he might be on STs. Would have also kept Schrader over Taylor at RB, if only because he was more likely to get claimed. Kingston would only have been kept if we kept a 9th OL, but I thought he showed promise as an interior OL who could also play RT in a pinch and I just haven't seen much at all from Zakelj, even though I know his run blocking has improved dramatically.

[CrimsonCrew]

In good news, we're hanging onto Tanner Mordecai, who is an interesting developmental QB. Keeping Evan Anderson at DT, and Jonathan Garvin who showed up a bit as a base end. None of the other guys really move the needle at this point.

[Harry Palmer]

What are they seeing in Thomas that we are not?

[CrimsonCrew]

What are they seeing in Thomas that we are not?

Ambry Thomas? My guess is that they weren't going to keep Womack regardless - he had a pretty up-and-down preseason and we're very deep at CB - and have a handshake agreement with Ya-Sin to bring him back. Thomas will go to IR, and then Ya-Sin will be elevated. That said, I would have just cut Thomas and kept Kingston, Graham, or Schrader (probably in that order). This is a dude who got benched in the playoffs for a 30-plus-year-old street vet.

Truly pretty disappointed Kingston walked. I felt like he played well in the preseason, and we're almost certainly going to lose Banks next year - unless he sucks, in which case we would want to upgrade him anyway. I hope Burford can get his act together and he and Puni will start at OG next year, but certainly not counting on that at this point. And I think Kingston had center versatility. I would love to upgrade Brendel. They clearly love Zakelj, and he has improved, but that's from being awful to start his career. Why not hang onto the promising youngster (who may not be much younger in real terms) rather than the guy who is only just rounding into form?

[Samurai]

What are they seeing in Thomas that we are not?

Granted I don't know what they look like during pre-season practices, but I was as impressed, if not more, by Womack than I was by Thomas in game situations. And since Shanahan has already said he puts a heavy emphasis on how they perform during practices, I can only assume Thomas was a better practice player than Womack. Plus Womack was a solid ST contributor as well.

But its nice to have such a deep CB room since it hasn't always been one of our strengths.

[CrimsonCrew]

Looks like Graham is signing onto the PS, not the active roster. Makes sense for him. He's behind Warner at MLB here, and they seem reluctant to really try him at SLB. With we could have kept him....

[WentzerWuver]

Former LSU x-receiver claimed by the 49ers. Now he is Aiyuk replacement based on his specialty, unlike Toney.

https://youtu.be/qjG9sdlzbZU?si=Vqka-9BP60k8z4k-

[Jikkle]

Watch on YouTube

Some insight on why some guys were cut and some guys made the team.

Looks like Womack had a pretty rough game and might be some insight as to why he never saw the field much.

Rookie class might be shaping up as one of the better ones in a while and that's without Pearsell doing anything yet.