The Brock Purdy Thread

[Big J]

This game was a good example of why I've always seen Purdy as a middle of the pack kinda QB. He looks invincible when guys are taking swing passes & crossers 60 yards for TDs, but doesn't have the ability to to elevate the team when things don't go according to plan. We have seen the great QBs elevate their teams to wins when their defense isn't playing great. The last 2 drives Purdy was forced to put the team on his shoulders and get the win and he couldn't get it done. It's why having an elite QB isn't really that important in the regular season, but super important in the playoffs.

Sometimes I don't think you watch the games. Purdy doesn't just do swing passes and crossers all day, he throws 10+ yards a lot and doesn't at a high success rate.

Agreed. Until the Browns game, and for about three quarters of the Vikings game, he has been deadly in the 10-30 yard range. He has destroyed a lot of teams with those deep crossers to Aiyuk and Jennings. Teams may be adjusting to take those away, and we'll have to see how Purdy adjusts in turn. But it's not accurate to say he's delivering short, easy passes and his receiver are doing all the work. He's been very successful throwing deeper this year.

Yes, he has some of those mid level passes too, but look at the only touchdown pass he threw. It was a swing pass to McCaffrey. There have been countless times this season that McCaffrey & Deebo have done that for huge gains.

[arich35]

Sometimes I don't think you watch the games. Purdy doesn't just do swing passes and crossers all day, he throws 10+ yards a lot and doesn't at a high success rate.

Agreed. Until the Browns game, and for about three quarters of the Vikings game, he has been deadly in the 10-30 yard range. He has destroyed a lot of teams with those deep crossers to Aiyuk and Jennings. Teams may be adjusting to take those away, and we'll have to see how Purdy adjusts in turn. But it's not accurate to say he's delivering short, easy passes and his receiver are doing all the work. He's been very successful throwing deeper this year.

Yes, he has some of those mid level passes too, but look at the only touchdown pass he threw. It was a swing pass to McCaffrey. There have been countless times this season that McCaffrey & Deebo have done that for huge gains.

That was the play call? Not his fault CMC took it to the house

[Big J]

Agreed. Until the Browns game, and for about three quarters of the Vikings game, he has been deadly in the 10-30 yard range. He has destroyed a lot of teams with those deep crossers to Aiyuk and Jennings. Teams may be adjusting to take those away, and we'll have to see how Purdy adjusts in turn. But it's not accurate to say he's delivering short, easy passes and his receiver are doing all the work. He's been very successful throwing deeper this year.

Yes, he has some of those mid level passes too, but look at the only touchdown pass he threw. It was a swing pass to McCaffrey. There have been countless times this season that McCaffrey & Deebo have done that for huge gains.

That was the play call? Not his fault CMC took it to the house

True, but any QB can make those throws. It's why it's nice having the weapons that he's working with.

[arich35]

Yes, he has some of those mid level passes too, but look at the only touchdown pass he threw. It was a swing pass to McCaffrey. There have been countless times this season that McCaffrey & Deebo have done that for huge gains.

That was the play call? Not his fault CMC took it to the house

True, but any QB can make those throws. It's why it's nice having the weapons that he's working with.

And a lot of players in this league could have scored

[Big J]

That was the play call? Not his fault CMC took it to the house

True, but any QB can make those throws. It's why it's nice having the weapons that he's working with.

And a lot of players in this league could have scored

I don’t know man. McCaffrey & Deebo are probably the 2 best in the league at making huge gains off of those plays.

[CrimsonCrew]

A lot of strong reactions against Purdy after two down games. Maybe it's the nature of all things today that people overreact and take extreme positions and there's no room for a middle ground.

Hate to cite him these days, but Grant Cohn had a piece declaring that Purdy isn't Montana after all, because Montana won in crunch time. Did he, though? Joe was incredible in the playoffs. But he still lost to Washington 24-21 in the '83 playoffs. He lost 36-24 to the Vikings in '87. He lost 15-13 to the Giants in '90. That's just looking at the relatively close playoff losses in his Niners' career; he was blown out twice, too, and had losses as a Chief.

In Joe's early seasons, he lost the '80 season finale 18-13 to Buffalo. Lost the season opener in '81 24-17 to Detroit. Lost 15-12 to Cleveland that year (no TDs, two INTs). Lost the first two games of the '82 season by a combined 9 points, and the fourth game by three. Lost the sixth game by four. Where was Joe Cool in those games? Was he not the same guy because he didn't pull it out evert time?

The same is true of Tom Brady, who struggled quite a bit when he came in as a starter. Lost his first start 10-3. Somewhat amazingly won his next game 44-13 despite throwing for 168 yards and zero TDs. Lost his third start 30-10 while throwing for 86 yards. He finally put together a pretty good game in week four to beat the Chargers in OT (his kicker hit a 44-yarder to do so), and played well the next week, but then he lost 31-20 to Denver. In that game, he threw four interceptions in the final four possessions to salt away the loss.

In the fourth quarter of the Denver game, trailing by four, he did the following: incompletion (inc), inc, completion to his RB for 7 yards, inc, INT, inc, complete to his WR for 16, INT, inc, complete to his WR for 9, PICK-SIX, inc, sack, INT. That's 3 of 13 for 32 yards, a sack, and four INTs. Good thing his team didn't give up on him after that debacle.

Purdy has lost two games. Both of those losses could easily have been wins, and one demonstrably should have been as his kicker just needed to hit a routine FG. At this point, he still has a ways to go to prove that he even deserves to enter next year as the unchallenged starter, much less is a franchise guy, but it's also absolutely absurd to look at these games and conclude that he simply can't be great.

He will always face an uphill battle to be an elite QB, because the physical skillset just isn't there. Like Garoppolo, he has to basically be perfect to compensate for that. Clearly Garoppolo is not. Can Purdy bounce back from two bad games, including one where he could have won it and basically choked it away with bad vision and poor decision-making? Time will tell. But the talk of dumping him for Darnold, or writing off his career at this point, is just as silly as the people claiming he was Joe Montana prior to the last two weeks.

[CrimsonCrew]

True, but any QB can make those throws. It's why it's nice having the weapons that he's working with.

And a lot of players in this league could have scored

I don’t know man. McCaffrey & Deebo are probably the 2 best in the league at making huge gains off of those plays.

CMC's TD was more about the blocking than him. He accelerated to get past one guy, and then he was gone. He didn't put on any special moves, didn't exhibit any special vision, just got into his top gear (which isn't what it used to be) and ran past the defender. Certainly no knocking him for it, but it's not like he didn't anything spectacular on that one. His TD on the shovel pass last week was much of impressive IMO.

[CharityStripe34]

I'm sure by the end of the season we'll know what Purdy can or can't be. Have to see how he (and the team in general) respond to two overall poor performances. I think after the Cowboys game they were feeling themselves too much.

The two picks (especially the first) during the Vikings game sucked, but to that point Purdy was playing very well. I wonder how that game would've looked if the defense, y'know, defended at all. Cousins looked like Peyton Manning on third downs.

[Big J]

Purdy makes us want to believe in fairy tales. There are greats who outperform their draft position like Brady & Montana, but have real traits like Brady’s size and Joes overall traits. And then there are guys like Purdy who outperform their draft position to become good regular season QBs. He is just too limited physically to compete with the big boys. This becomes most obvious in the clutch when he is forced to push the ball down the field, and the threat of running is gone.

I get that people are attached to him because he’s a fun story, and he is humble, and doesn’t make much money, but his limitations are just so much to overcome.

[CrimsonCrew]

Purdy makes us want to believe in fairy tales. There are greats who outperform their draft position like Brady & Montana, but have real traits like Brady’s size and Joes overall traits. And then there are guys like Purdy who outperform their draft position to become good regular season QBs. He is just too limited physically to compete with the big boys. This becomes most obvious in the clutch when he is forced to push the ball down the field, and the threat of running is gone.

I get that people are attached to him because he’s a fun story, and he is humble, and doesn’t make much money, but his limitations are just so much to overcome.

Again, height isn't all that much of a trait if it's the only one. And Brady was incredibly slight throughout his career, despite developing some muscle. He weighed less than Purdy did at the combine. And "Joe's overall traits" is pretty ambiguous. It seems like you can't pinpoint anything special about Montana physically, but are concluding that he must have some special physical gifts because the result was so good.

In terms of his performance in the clutch, to date, we've had one game in which Purdy had the opportunity for a fourth-quarter comeback and did not do enough to win. Against Cleveland, he did enough. Against Oakland last year, he did enough. He can't kick the gimme FGs himself (I believe FGs from 40 and 41 yards have about an 85% likelihood of being good).

We did see Purdy engineer a 65-second TD drive in this game, however, on three passes including the very nice deep ball to Kittle and the TD pass to CMC. He has shown he's capable of moving the ball down the field quickly.

I don't think I'm particularly attached to Purdy. I hated that we traded Lance, and I have major concerns about handing Purdy $40+ million a year down the road. But until two weeks ago, he had met every challenge and exceeded expectations. It seems that because of his exceptional play at the start of his career, people forget that he's still a very young player. All young QBs struggle. Will he rise above it and play like one of the greats? The odds are still against it, but I personally haven't seen enough.

[Big J]

Purdy makes us want to believe in fairy tales. There are greats who outperform their draft position like Brady & Montana, but have real traits like Brady’s size and Joes overall traits. And then there are guys like Purdy who outperform their draft position to become good regular season QBs. He is just too limited physically to compete with the big boys. This becomes most obvious in the clutch when he is forced to push the ball down the field, and the threat of running is gone.

I get that people are attached to him because he’s a fun story, and he is humble, and doesn’t make much money, but his limitations are just so much to overcome.

Again, height isn't all that much of a trait if it's the only one. And Brady was incredibly slight throughout his career, despite developing some muscle. He weighed less than Purdy did at the combine. And "Joe's overall traits" is pretty ambiguous. It seems like you can't pinpoint anything special about Montana physically, but are concluding that he must have some special physical gifts because the result was so good.

In terms of his performance in the clutch, to date, we've had one game in which Purdy had the opportunity for a fourth-quarter comeback and did not do enough to win. Against Cleveland, he did enough. Against Oakland last year, he did enough. He can't kick the gimme FGs himself (I believe FGs from 40 and 41 yards have about an 85% likelihood of being good).

We did see Purdy engineer a 65-second TD drive in this game, however, on three passes including the very nice deep ball to Kittle and the TD pass to CMC. He has shown he's capable of moving the ball down the field quickly.

I don't think I'm particularly attached to Purdy. I hated that we traded Lance, and I have major concerns about handing Purdy $40+ million a year down the road. But until two weeks ago, he had met every challenge and exceeded expectations. It seems that because of his exceptional play at the start of his career, people forget that he's still a very young player. All young QBs struggle. Will he rise above it and play like one of the greats? The odds are still against it, but I personally haven't seen enough.

Yea, the Lance trade made zero sense. Why couldn't we just wait to see Purdy play a few more games before we just trade away his only real competition on the team? There isn't much pressure to give Darnold a shot because we've already seen his previous work. There would definitely be real noise about Lance if he was still on the team.

[arich35]

Purdy in concussion protocol. Wonder if the hit came somewhere before his two interceptions and that had any role, maybe ,maybe not.
Hopefully he can pass before Sunday, don't have much interest in seeing Darnold in a pretty important game

[Pattersonca65]

Purdy makes us want to believe in fairy tales. There are greats who outperform their draft position like Brady & Montana, but have real traits like Brady’s size and Joes overall traits. And then there are guys like Purdy who outperform their draft position to become good regular season QBs. He is just too limited physically to compete with the big boys. This becomes most obvious in the clutch when he is forced to push the ball down the field, and the threat of running is gone.

I get that people are attached to him because he’s a fun story, and he is humble, and doesn’t make much money, but his limitations are just so much to overcome.

Again, height isn't all that much of a trait if it's the only one. And Brady was incredibly slight throughout his career, despite developing some muscle. He weighed less than Purdy did at the combine. And "Joe's overall traits" is pretty ambiguous. It seems like you can't pinpoint anything special about Montana physically, but are concluding that he must have some special physical gifts because the result was so good.

In terms of his performance in the clutch, to date, we've had one game in which Purdy had the opportunity for a fourth-quarter comeback and did not do enough to win. Against Cleveland, he did enough. Against Oakland last year, he did enough. He can't kick the gimme FGs himself (I believe FGs from 40 and 41 yards have about an 85% likelihood of being good).

We did see Purdy engineer a 65-second TD drive in this game, however, on three passes including the very nice deep ball to Kittle and the TD pass to CMC. He has shown he's capable of moving the ball down the field quickly.

I don't think I'm particularly attached to Purdy. I hated that we traded Lance, and I have major concerns about handing Purdy $40+ million a year down the road. But until two weeks ago, he had met every challenge and exceeded expectations. It seems that because of his exceptional play at the start of his career, people forget that he's still a very young player. All young QBs struggle. Will he rise above it and play like one of the greats? The odds are still against it, but I personally haven't seen enough.

Yea, the Lance trade made zero sense. Why couldn't we just wait to see Purdy play a few more games before we just trade away his only real competition on the team? There isn't much pressure to give Darnold a shot because we've already seen his previous work. There would definitely be real noise about Lance if he was still on the team.

The only noise about Lance was how many games he would lose. Third string QB who was unlikely to ever see the field. He was not Purdy's competition. He isn't anyone's competition right now expect bench warmer

[Pattersonca65]

Purdy makes us want to believe in fairy tales. There are greats who outperform their draft position like Brady & Montana, but have real traits like Brady’s size and Joes overall traits. And then there are guys like Purdy who outperform their draft position to become good regular season QBs. He is just too limited physically to compete with the big boys. This becomes most obvious in the clutch when he is forced to push the ball down the field, and the threat of running is gone.

I get that people are attached to him because he’s a fun story, and he is humble, and doesn’t make much money, but his limitations are just so much to overcome.

Fairly tale is believing in a physical player who has shown little to no ability to play in the NFL

[Big J]

Purdy makes us want to believe in fairy tales. There are greats who outperform their draft position like Brady & Montana, but have real traits like Brady’s size and Joes overall traits. And then there are guys like Purdy who outperform their draft position to become good regular season QBs. He is just too limited physically to compete with the big boys. This becomes most obvious in the clutch when he is forced to push the ball down the field, and the threat of running is gone.

I get that people are attached to him because he’s a fun story, and he is humble, and doesn’t make much money, but his limitations are just so much to overcome.

Fairly tale is believing in a physical player who has shown little to no ability to play in the NFL

He was the 3rd pick in the draft.

[Pattersonca65]

A lot of strong reactions against Purdy after two down games. Maybe it's the nature of all things today that people overreact and take extreme positions and there's no room for a middle ground.

Hate to cite him these days, but Grant Cohn had a piece declaring that Purdy isn't Montana after all, because Montana won in crunch time. Did he, though? Joe was incredible in the playoffs. But he still lost to Washington 24-21 in the '83 playoffs. He lost 36-24 to the Vikings in '87. He lost 15-13 to the Giants in '90. That's just looking at the relatively close playoff losses in his Niners' career; he was blown out twice, too, and had losses as a Chief.

In Joe's early seasons, he lost the '80 season finale 18-13 to Buffalo. Lost the season opener in '81 24-17 to Detroit. Lost 15-12 to Cleveland that year (no TDs, two INTs). Lost the first two games of the '82 season by a combined 9 points, and the fourth game by three. Lost the sixth game by four. Where was Joe Cool in those games? Was he not the same guy because he didn't pull it out evert time?

The same is true of Tom Brady, who struggled quite a bit when he came in as a starter. Lost his first start 10-3. Somewhat amazingly won his next game 44-13 despite throwing for 168 yards and zero TDs. Lost his third start 30-10 while throwing for 86 yards. He finally put together a pretty good game in week four to beat the Chargers in OT (his kicker hit a 44-yarder to do so), and played well the next week, but then he lost 31-20 to Denver. In that game, he threw four interceptions in the final four possessions to salt away the loss.

In the fourth quarter of the Denver game, trailing by four, he did the following: incompletion (inc), inc, completion to his RB for 7 yards, inc, INT, inc, complete to his WR for 16, INT, inc, complete to his WR for 9, PICK-SIX, inc, sack, INT. That's 3 of 13 for 32 yards, a sack, and four INTs. Good thing his team didn't give up on him after that debacle.

Purdy has lost two games. Both of those losses could easily have been wins, and one demonstrably should have been as his kicker just needed to hit a routine FG. At this point, he still has a ways to go to prove that he even deserves to enter next year as the unchallenged starter, much less is a franchise guy, but it's also absolutely absurd to look at these games and conclude that he simply can't be great.

He will always face an uphill battle to be an elite QB, because the physical skillset just isn't there. Like Garoppolo, he has to basically be perfect to compensate for that. Clearly Garoppolo is not. Can Purdy bounce back from two bad games, including one where he could have won it and basically choked it away with bad vision and poor decision-making? Time will tell. But the talk of dumping him for Darnold, or writing off his career at this point, is just as silly as the people claiming he was Joe Montana prior to the last two weeks.

I know you are not saying this. The problem is when people say Montana lost or not lost in crunch time. I've watched almost every game Montana ever played in a 49er uniform. Cohn is a clown. They forget it is a team game. That Minnesota playoff game reminded me a bit of this last 49er game. The 49ers defense could not generate a rush against Wilson that game. They couldn't stop Minnesota's office and get them off the field. The 49ers added some much needed DLine help in the 1988 draft. Pierce Holt was a big pickup. Washington game the defense couldn't get a stop when they needed it. Steve Young had to go through similar criticism because the 49ers could not beat Dallas in the playoffs until the 1994 season even though though the 92-93 Dallas teams were superior the 49er teams.

[Pattersonca65]

Purdy makes us want to believe in fairy tales. There are greats who outperform their draft position like Brady & Montana, but have real traits like Brady’s size and Joes overall traits. And then there are guys like Purdy who outperform their draft position to become good regular season QBs. He is just too limited physically to compete with the big boys. This becomes most obvious in the clutch when he is forced to push the ball down the field, and the threat of running is gone.

I get that people are attached to him because he’s a fun story, and he is humble, and doesn’t make much money, but his limitations are just so much to overcome.

Fairly tale is believing in a physical player who has shown little to no ability to play in the NFL

He was the 3rd pick in the draft.

And has showed why he has been a big miss.

[Big J]

Fairly tale is believing in a physical player who has shown little to no ability to play in the NFL

He was the 3rd pick in the draft.

And has showed why he has been a big miss.

In 5 regular season quarters?

[CrimsonCrew]

He was the 3rd pick in the draft.

And has showed why he has been a big miss.

In 5 regular season quarters?

Not that it's all that much of a difference, but he started two full games as a rookie, and the second half in a third. His inability to read the field in his third preseason suggests it wasn't all going to fall into place for him any time soon, but who knows? It's history now.

[Big J]

And has showed why he has been a big miss.

In 5 regular season quarters?

Not that it's all that much of a difference, but he started two full games as a rookie, and the second half in a third. His inability to read the field in his third preseason suggests it wasn't all going to fall into place for him any time soon, but who knows? It's history now.

Preseason is pretty meaningless. QB's often use preseason as a way to try out new things that they wouldn't do in the regular season.