The Brock Purdy Thread

[Big J]

Purdy has now stacked 3 consecutive bad games.

Its especially frustrating because he has shown an ability to play very good football for long stretches and made several special plays during that time frame. However the mistakes he is making are of the game changing/breaking variety. You just can't have those types of plays, let alone in bunches.

Turnovers, especially game deciding ones, are not only the fastest way to lose your job in this league but also a blueprint for Kyle to devolve his game planning and play calling. Putting Purdy into outright game managing mode, isn't going to allow the 49ers to go anywhere.

Its still too early to pull the plug on Brock. He's a young player, and those guys are expected to go through some growing pains. He's also shown some scintillating talent and ability to make plays. There is still a lot to like, and things to build on. But he's deciding games in a negative way lately. Absolutely can't have that. If that trend continues, he's going to need to get pulled.

I've been saying this whole time that he's Jimmy G. This is the same kind of crap Jimmy pulled.

Jimmy wasn't doing it as a 2nd year player showing great plays in between. Purdy has shown he can make great throws and reads, he needs to clean up the turnovers and show he is getting better after this rough patch.

Jimmy actually did have great plays as well. They just get forgotten because we all just remember the times he didn’t come through.

[Harry Palmer]

I've been saying this whole time that he's Jimmy G. This is the same kind of crap Jimmy pulled.

Jimmy wasn't doing it as a 2nd year player showing great plays in between. Purdy has shown he can make great throws and reads, he needs to clean up the turnovers and show he is getting better after this rough patch.

Jimmy actually did have great plays as well. They just get forgotten because we all just remember the times he didn’t come through.

He didn’t have a few great plays, he got off to arguably the greatest start for a Qb in NFL history. And I don’t mean just as a team, his qb metrics have been insane. See if you can spot the difference. What’s happening right now is he and the team are struggling. It happens. The stuff he does better than most is as important as the stuff he doesn’t do as well.

[Big J]

Jimmy wasn't doing it as a 2nd year player showing great plays in between. Purdy has shown he can make great throws and reads, he needs to clean up the turnovers and show he is getting better after this rough patch.

Jimmy actually did have great plays as well. They just get forgotten because we all just remember the times he didn’t come through.

He didn’t have a few great plays, he got off to arguably the greatest start for a Qb in NFL history. And I don’t mean just as a team, his qb metrics have been insane. See if you can spot the difference. What’s happening right now is he and the team are struggling. It happens. The stuff he does better than most is as important as the stuff he doesn’t do as well.

Yes, Purdy had a hot start to his career. However, other QBs have had similar hot streaks. The only difference between his and theirs is that his was at the beginning of his career, and most others do it in the middle when they have a good supporting cast like he does. Nothing he did during that hot streak really made anyone think he was some outlier talent though.

[Jikkle]

He's still better than Jimmy G but right now he's closer to Jimmy G than he isn't. I wouldn't say give up on him or anything like that like some are saying but so far he's failing his first real test as a pro.

You can show me all the stats and amazing throws you want but back-to-back weeks when he could've really put the team on his back and grabbed the W he not only hasn't gotten done but he's turned the ball over.

Again he hasn't started a full season's worth a games so it's too early to sell on him but until he proves otherwise he's just a better version of Jimmy G which isn't saying a lot.

[Harry Palmer]

However, other QBs have had similar hot streaks. The only difference between his and theirs is that his was at the beginning of his career, and most others do it in the middle when they have a good supporting cast like he does. Nothing he did during that hot streak really made anyone think he was some outlier talent though.

Wrong, you are wrong. Pretty much every YT Qb guy, JTO, Chase, Carr, etc. think he’s incredible. They think his vision, anticipation, ability to keep plays alive etc. are special, like all time special. You keep refusing to engage with these points. And it happening ‘at the beginning’ of his career means something, it’s what we’ve seen. And lots of qbs have had great teams and had nowhere near this kind of success.

[zman1]

I am worried about his head right now. One of those last sacks his head hit the ground and then he put his hands there. Hope it's not another concussion.

As for his play, I am not worried. He shows so much ability and is still basically a rookie still learning the nfl.

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[arich35]

According to Kyle his 1st INT was supposed to be a hand off (that is why a lineman was down field), so a mix up in play calling hurt the play to begin with. Clearly Purdy should have throw it away or went down, still would have been a penalty though. I am still not that pissed with Purdy trying to make a play and score, the defender made a hell of a play so I don't think he made a bad pass, the whole play was kind of screwed up to begin with.
2nd INT was just a poor read on where the LB was going. Romo pointed out the LB kind of baited with his feet going the opposite way and switched quickly. Something Purdy needs to realize going forward that defenders are going to try and bait him into throws, hopefully from the tape he can learn from it.

[Big J]

Still makes zero sense why the team gave Lance away so fast. I can promise that there would be a large contingent of fans that would be banging the drum to give him a shot if he was still here.

[zman1]

According to Kyle his 1st INT was supposed to be a hand off (that is why a lineman was down field), so a mix up in play calling hurt the play to begin with. Clearly Purdy should have throw it away or went down, still would have been a penalty though. I am still not that pissed with Purdy trying to make a play and score, the defender made a hell of a play so I don't think he made a bad pass, the whole play was kind of screwed up to begin with.
2nd INT was just a poor read on where the LB was going. Romo pointed out the LB kind of baited with his feet going the opposite way and switched quickly. Something Purdy needs to realize going forward that defenders are going to try and bait him into throws, hopefully from the tape he can learn from it.

NFL. First one I think if he got the pass to Mitchell he has a td. Great play by the d lineman.

Keep in mind with Purdy that these last two games he still shows a lot of skill. He was terrible in Cleveland which I think the rain played a big role. The other two he has not had the kind of terrible games that young qbs can have, like going say 9 for 31 for 95 yards. Today he had 57 yards scrambling and made some great moves in the pocket. And he passed for over 350 yards. That with a poor run game and not the greatest pass blocking. He will be fine, just a learning curve and it is the NFL. QB is really one of the least of our worries.

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[CrimsonCrew]

Frustrating couple weeks, especially the last two, as we've had a chance to win and Purdy has collapsed late. The first INT was more forgivable. Just a disastrous play that fell apart immediately, and he was trying to make something happen. Really good play by the defender. But you just can't have that sort of mental flub in that situation. We were in great shape to get right back in that game, and that pick killed us. Instead of tying it or trailing only by three, we lost momentum.

Though the second pick is the one that really swung momentum. Purdy plays an aggressive style, and much of the time it works. He has a truly uncanny sense of where defenders will be, where his players will be, etc. His timing and anticipation is like that of a player with years more experience than he has. It's the thing about him that is truly special. But now there are legitimate questions as to whether he's actually reading the field and the defenders, or if his vision isn't really that great and he just got lucky over the first several games. That's TBD. Hard to say. The LB did a nice job of giving the look of dropping off before cutting back. But Purdy simply has to see that.

That last would-be INT was kind of a desperation sort of thing, but also doesn't reflect well on his vision.

There's little doubt that some of Purdy's struggles are on the team around him. The OL, especially the interior, has been really shaky in pass protection lately, and seemingly worse when it counts. Purdy has been under some legit pressure (PFF pass-blocking grades for the last game as follows: Moore - 61.3, Banks - 50.0, Brendel - 42.9, Burford - 34.4, McKivitz - 73.5). I think the pressure was a big part of the second INT and the one that was reversed, and of course the fumble, but still not okay for Brock to make those throws.

He's still the guy as far as I'm concerned. When he's locked in and throwing with rhythm and anticipation, he's great. He has some beautiful reads and throws in the game. But Jimmy was never more than pretty good because of the mistakes. I think Purdy's highs are higher, but if he can't work out the lows, we can't pay him like a franchise QB.

The bye is coming at a good time. We need to get our act together. Though this team under Shanahan doesn't have a stellar track record coming out of a bye.

[CharityStripe34]

I think there's more film on Purdy and defenses know that much of the play design involves Purdy holding safeties and/or linebackers toward the sidelines (or outside the numbers) and throwing middle in-breaking routes. That second pick was probably an illustration of the defense keying in on that. Purdy did try to look him off, but the LB didn't fall for it and jumped right into the window. Purdy's generally been excellent on knowing where to go with the ball, but also that Shanahan's offense is designed for that 15-30 yard zone between the numbers. Bye week came at a perfect time to address these things.

The team is talented enough to bounce back, but there certainly has to be a lot of humble pie served. They need to regain their edge/chip/whatever metaphor you like.

[Pattersonca65]

According to Kyle his 1st INT was supposed to be a hand off (that is why a lineman was down field), so a mix up in play calling hurt the play to begin with. Clearly Purdy should have throw it away or went down, still would have been a penalty though. I am still not that pissed with Purdy trying to make a play and score, the defender made a hell of a play so I don't think he made a bad pass, the whole play was kind of screwed up to begin with.
2nd INT was just a poor read on where the LB was going. Romo pointed out the LB kind of baited with his feet going the opposite way and switched quickly. Something Purdy needs to realize going forward that defenders are going to try and bait him into throws, hopefully from the tape he can learn from it.

No there wouldn't be. Would be worse off with Lance. Dud can't read a defense, is not quick moving in the pocket, and would have been a tackling dummy

[Pattersonca65]

Still makes zero sense why the team gave Lance away so fast. I can promise that there would be a large contingent of fans that would be banging the drum to give him a shot if he was still here.

Give it up already. No there wouldn't be. Would be worse off with Lance. Dude can't read a defense, is not quick moving in the pocket, and would have been a tackling dummy. Darnold would have been next man up. Your boy is sitting third string in Dallas for a reason.

[arich35]

According to Kyle his 1st INT was supposed to be a hand off (that is why a lineman was down field), so a mix up in play calling hurt the play to begin with. Clearly Purdy should have throw it away or went down, still would have been a penalty though. I am still not that pissed with Purdy trying to make a play and score, the defender made a hell of a play so I don't think he made a bad pass, the whole play was kind of screwed up to begin with.
2nd INT was just a poor read on where the LB was going. Romo pointed out the LB kind of baited with his feet going the opposite way and switched quickly. Something Purdy needs to realize going forward that defenders are going to try and bait him into throws, hopefully from the tape he can learn from it.

No there wouldn't be. Would be worse off with Lance. Dud can't read a defense, is not quick moving in the pocket, and would have been a tackling dummy

Don't think you meant to quote me

[Pattersonca65]

According to Kyle his 1st INT was supposed to be a hand off (that is why a lineman was down field), so a mix up in play calling hurt the play to begin with. Clearly Purdy should have throw it away or went down, still would have been a penalty though. I am still not that pissed with Purdy trying to make a play and score, the defender made a hell of a play so I don't think he made a bad pass, the whole play was kind of screwed up to begin with.
2nd INT was just a poor read on where the LB was going. Romo pointed out the LB kind of baited with his feet going the opposite way and switched quickly. Something Purdy needs to realize going forward that defenders are going to try and bait him into throws, hopefully from the tape he can learn from it.

No there wouldn't be. Would be worse off with Lance. Dud can't read a defense, is not quick moving in the pocket, and would have been a tackling dummy

Don't think you meant to quote me

Yes, was an accident. Sorry

[CrimsonCrew]

This isn't so much a Purdy thing as an offense thing, but this seemed like the logical area to post this. Might also post it in the 2023 season threat. One area of pretty consistent criticism from outsiders about the Niners' offense is the drop-back passing game. Guys like JT O'Sullivan - who is quite complimentary of Kyle's creativity with motion, play action, etc. - are quite critical of the design pure drop-back game.

I'm not meaning to take blame off of Purdy here. He made some bad decisions and bad throws in crunch time the past couple weeks. But I do think there's something to our offense becoming limited when teams know we have to throw it. Part of that also ties into personnel. We don't necessarily have receivers who can run different routes, give a lot of different looks, and really confuse the opposing defense. Typically, our WRs stay in their lanes. That makes it somewhat easier for LBs to look at Aiyuk on the in-breaking deep routes, especially when you remove the screen-to-Deebo threat.

This bye week, our coaches need to be doing a deep dive into what is ailing this team. And I think Kyle needs to take a long look at his drop-back game and reassess some of his approaches. I don't know how much of that can change during the season, but it's become pretty clear that that this team - and Kyle offense's historically - struggle when they have to lean on the pass late in games.

[Pattersonca65]

This isn't so much a Purdy thing as an offense thing, but this seemed like the logical area to post this. Might also post it in the 2023 season threat. One area of pretty consistent criticism from outsiders about the Niners' offense is the drop-back passing game. Guys like JT O'Sullivan - who is quite complimentary of Kyle's creativity with motion, play action, etc. - are quite critical of the design pure drop-back game.

I'm not meaning to take blame off of Purdy here. He made some bad decisions and bad throws in crunch time the past couple weeks. But I do think there's something to our offense becoming limited when teams know we have to throw it. Part of that also ties into personnel. We don't necessarily have receivers who can run different routes, give a lot of different looks, and really confuse the opposing defense. Typically, our WRs stay in their lanes. That makes it somewhat easier for LBs to look at Aiyuk on the in-breaking deep routes, especially when you remove the screen-to-Deebo threat.

This bye week, our coaches need to be doing a deep dive into what is ailing this team. And I think Kyle needs to take a long look at his drop-back game and reassess some of his approaches. I don't know how much of that can change during the season, but it's become pretty clear that that this team - and Kyle offense's historically - struggle when they have to lean on the pass late in games.

Purdy has been playing well and it is easy to forget he has only played a season of games. He was bound to hit a rough patch or make some mistakes. Purdy and the offense need to correct mistakes and learn from them. But the offense overall has still moved the ball. The defense is a far bigger concern as they have looked like a bottom dweller defense the past two weeks

[Pattersonca65]

He's still better than Jimmy G but right now he's closer to Jimmy G than he isn't. I wouldn't say give up on him or anything like that like some are saying but so far he's failing his first real test as a pro.

You can show me all the stats and amazing throws you want but back-to-back weeks when he could've really put the team on his back and grabbed the W he not only hasn't gotten done but he's turned the ball over.

Again he hasn't started a full season's worth a games so it's too early to sell on him but until he proves otherwise he's just a better version of Jimmy G which isn't saying a lot.

He has only played one season's worth of games and with just that he has done much more in terms of throwing the ball than Jimmy ever has who has been in the league for many years.

[arich35]

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Purdy is impressive but we really need to switch things up with the oline. I say give Moore a run at RT for a bit and when Banks is healthy move Feliciano to RG.

[CharityStripe34]

Purdy finally threw some picks. Shocker. Even in the losses he did make some awesome throws. He has interesting stats so far in his career.



So with more attempts this season, he's throwing for more air yards, and getting more net completion yards as well. I've noticed his attempts have gone up, and I think that's a good thing. He has to get used to throwing 25-30 times a game. The team was bound to have some letdown games and I'm glad it happened early in the season as opposed to late. Purdy needed to have struggles and failures to be able to learn. He wasn't going to be flawless forever. We shall see how the team regains their consistent edge coming off that awesome win over Jacksonville.