The Trey Lance thread

[Pattersonca65]

What he does is limited. He can elevate these game manager QB's into looking good, but in the end it always comes back to their limited talent that does his teams in.

Lance might be more limited than a game manager

Not if he's developed properly. He has all of the physical tools. All he needs is reps.

You discount the mental ability. Lance may never process quick enough or have pocket presence. Many qbs never become proficient at the NFL level no matter how much you try and develop them. Physical traits mean nothing if you can't process and have no pocket awareness. Lance is deficient in those areas and may never develop enough to be a good NFLqb. He may just become another Kaepernick

[Samurai]

The crazy thing is that the 9ers could have at the very least used Lance as a super charged version of Taysom Hill. He'd have been perfect the perfect QB to throw out in goal line packages where he'd be a threat to plow over guys or do a Tebow style goal line jump pass to the Tight End. Just a stupid trade all around. Purdy is going to get exposed so hard this season.

No responsible GM is trading three first round picks for a Taysom Hill wannabe.

[Pattersonca65]

The crazy thing is that the 9ers could have at the very least used Lance as a super charged version of Taysom Hill. He'd have been perfect the perfect QB to throw out in goal line packages where he'd be a threat to plow over guys or do a Tebow style goal line jump pass to the Tight End. Just a stupid trade all around. Purdy is going to get exposed so hard this season.

No responsible GM is trading three first round picks for a Taysom Hill wannabe.

Thing is Trey isn't even that good of a runner. They overvalued his running skills. He ran over smaller players at his college level but he can't to it at the NFL level and he just isn't quick enough or elusive enough to get past NFL level talent

[Big J]

The crazy thing is that the 9ers could have at the very least used Lance as a super charged version of Taysom Hill. He'd have been perfect the perfect QB to throw out in goal line packages where he'd be a threat to plow over guys or do a Tebow style goal line jump pass to the Tight End. Just a stupid trade all around. Purdy is going to get exposed so hard this season.

No responsible GM is trading three first round picks for a Taysom Hill wannabe.

True, but no responsible team is trading a Taysom Hill away for some random 4th rounder when he could be helping the team.

[Samurai]

The crazy thing is that the 9ers could have at the very least used Lance as a super charged version of Taysom Hill. He'd have been perfect the perfect QB to throw out in goal line packages where he'd be a threat to plow over guys or do a Tebow style goal line jump pass to the Tight End. Just a stupid trade all around. Purdy is going to get exposed so hard this season.

No responsible GM is trading three first round picks for a Taysom Hill wannabe.

Thing is Trey isn't even that good of a runner. They overvalued his running skills. He ran over smaller players at his college level but he can't to it at the NFL level and he just isn't quick enough or elusive enough to get past NFL level talent

True, and part of that is he didn't run a 40 at his pro day. So without an actual time to compare, all you can do is watch him run in college and say "he looks pretty fast running against college guys". Which isn't the same as actually being fast - and elusive - against elite NFL players. Lance isn't Jimmy G slow but he doesn't have elite speed for the NFL and he is basically a straight-ahead runner. And a straight-ahead running QB without elite speed is bound to get hurt, repeatedly. Still just a complete failure on the part of our scouting team.

[Big J]

Lance might be more limited than a game manager

Not if he's developed properly. He has all of the physical tools. All he needs is reps.

You discount the mental ability. Lance may never process quick enough or have pocket presence. Many qbs never become proficient at the NFL level no matter how much you try and develop them. Physical traits mean nothing if you can't process and have no pocket awareness. Lance is deficient in those areas and may never develop enough to be a good NFLqb. He may just become another Kaepernick

He may never do those things, but he also could have developed them and became elite. All they needed was to go into this year with him as the starter and take a year to see what he actually had. Instead they went with an extremely limited 6'1 game manage with a noodle arm who will never sniff a chance at winning a ring. Watching another Choad Pennington for the next 5 years right after Jimmy G is gonna be agonizing.

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[arich35]

Not if he's developed properly. He has all of the physical tools. All he needs is reps.

You discount the mental ability. Lance may never process quick enough or have pocket presence. Many qbs never become proficient at the NFL level no matter how much you try and develop them. Physical traits mean nothing if you can't process and have no pocket awareness. Lance is deficient in those areas and may never develop enough to be a good NFLqb. He may just become another Kaepernick

He may never do those things, but he also could have developed them and became elite. All they needed was to go into this year with him as the starter and take a year to see what he actually had. Instead they went with an extremely limited 6'1 game manage with a noodle arm who will never sniff a chance at winning a ring. Watching another Choad Pennington for the next 5 years right after Jimmy G is gonna be agonizing.

Pretty damn close last year in his rookie year. I still don't understand where noodle arm comes from? He makes 10-20 yard throws pretty easily. We don't take a lot of deep shots as an offense so we really don't know how he is with deeper passes. One try I remember last year he hit Kittle on a deep pass in the end zone pretty easily (45 yards).

[Big J]

You discount the mental ability. Lance may never process quick enough or have pocket presence. Many qbs never become proficient at the NFL level no matter how much you try and develop them. Physical traits mean nothing if you can't process and have no pocket awareness. Lance is deficient in those areas and may never develop enough to be a good NFLqb. He may just become another Kaepernick

He may never do those things, but he also could have developed them and became elite. All they needed was to go into this year with him as the starter and take a year to see what he actually had. Instead they went with an extremely limited 6'1 game manage with a noodle arm who will never sniff a chance at winning a ring. Watching another Choad Pennington for the next 5 years right after Jimmy G is gonna be agonizing.

Pretty damn close last year in his rookie year. I still don't understand where noodle arm comes from? He makes 10-20 yard throws pretty easily. We don't take a lot of deep shots as an offense so we really don't know how he is with deeper passes. One try I remember last year he hit Kittle on a deep pass in the end zone pretty easily (45 yards).

Pretty close is what Shanahan does best. Hell, he took Jimmy fuggin G to within a play of winning the SB. The whole reason that they drafted Trey was so that they could have a guy who had the physical abilities to get them over the hump. Purdy is just going back to the safe thing that Kyle knows works for him... but will fail when it comes down to nut crunching time.

[Pattersonca65]

Not if he's developed properly. He has all of the physical tools. All he needs is reps.

You discount the mental ability. Lance may never process quick enough or have pocket presence. Many qbs never become proficient at the NFL level no matter how much you try and develop them. Physical traits mean nothing if you can't process and have no pocket awareness. Lance is deficient in those areas and may never develop enough to be a good NFLqb. He may just become another Kaepernick

He may never do those things, but he also could have developed them and became elite. All they needed was to go into this year with him as the starter and take a year to see what he actually had. Instead they went with an extremely limited 6'1 game manage with a noodle arm who will never sniff a chance at winning a ring. Watching another Choad Pennington for the next 5 years right after Jimmy G is gonna be agonizing.

The 49ers are in win now and Purdy is far better equipped to win now than Lance is. You can keep repeating the noodle arm and game manager but iltgst doesn't make it true and it is false.

[Pattersonca65]

He may never do those things, but he also could have developed them and became elite. All they needed was to go into this year with him as the starter and take a year to see what he actually had. Instead they went with an extremely limited 6'1 game manage with a noodle arm who will never sniff a chance at winning a ring. Watching another Choad Pennington for the next 5 years right after Jimmy G is gonna be agonizing.

Pretty damn close last year in his rookie year. I still don't understand where noodle arm comes from? He makes 10-20 yard throws pretty easily. We don't take a lot of deep shots as an offense so we really don't know how he is with deeper passes. One try I remember last year he hit Kittle on a deep pass in the end zone pretty easily (45 yards).

Pretty close is what Shanahan does best. Hell, he took Jimmy fuggin G to within a play of winning the SB. The whole reason that they drafted Trey was so that they could have a guy who had the physical abilities to get them over the hump. Purdy is just going back to the safe thing that Kyle knows works for him... but will fail when it comes down to nut crunching time.

Problem.is Lance is too raw and far away from getting this group over the hump

[Big J]

You discount the mental ability. Lance may never process quick enough or have pocket presence. Many qbs never become proficient at the NFL level no matter how much you try and develop them. Physical traits mean nothing if you can't process and have no pocket awareness. Lance is deficient in those areas and may never develop enough to be a good NFLqb. He may just become another Kaepernick

He may never do those things, but he also could have developed them and became elite. All they needed was to go into this year with him as the starter and take a year to see what he actually had. Instead they went with an extremely limited 6'1 game manage with a noodle arm who will never sniff a chance at winning a ring. Watching another Choad Pennington for the next 5 years right after Jimmy G is gonna be agonizing.

The 49ers are in win now and Purdy is far better equipped to win now than Lance is. You can keep repeating the noodle arm and game manager but iltgst doesn't make it true and it is false.

So what is Purdy then? A star? Lol

[Pattersonca65]

He may never do those things, but he also could have developed them and became elite. All they needed was to go into this year with him as the starter and take a year to see what he actually had. Instead they went with an extremely limited 6'1 game manage with a noodle arm who will never sniff a chance at winning a ring. Watching another Choad Pennington for the next 5 years right after Jimmy G is gonna be agonizing.

The 49ers are in win now and Purdy is far better equipped to win now than Lance is. You can keep repeating the noodle arm and game manager but iltgst doesn't make it true and it is false.

So what is Purdy then? A star? Lol

Not a star. But unlike Lance can read a defense and go through progressions and play QB the way Shanahan wants it played. Lance.losing to Sam Darnold tells you all you need to know

[arich35]

He may never do those things, but he also could have developed them and became elite. All they needed was to go into this year with him as the starter and take a year to see what he actually had. Instead they went with an extremely limited 6'1 game manage with a noodle arm who will never sniff a chance at winning a ring. Watching another Choad Pennington for the next 5 years right after Jimmy G is gonna be agonizing.

Pretty damn close last year in his rookie year. I still don't understand where noodle arm comes from? He makes 10-20 yard throws pretty easily. We don't take a lot of deep shots as an offense so we really don't know how he is with deeper passes. One try I remember last year he hit Kittle on a deep pass in the end zone pretty easily (45 yards).

Pretty close is what Shanahan does best. Hell, he took Jimmy fuggin G to within a play of winning the SB. The whole reason that they drafted Trey was so that they could have a guy who had the physical abilities to get them over the hump. Purdy is just going back to the safe thing that Kyle knows works for him... but will fail when it comes down to nut crunching time.

Purdy did things last year in his first 8 games that Jimmy couldn't do his whole career. I think Purdy is going to be better than Jimmy ever was with the 49ers

[CrimsonCrew]

No responsible GM is trading three first round picks for a Taysom Hill wannabe.

Thing is Trey isn't even that good of a runner. They overvalued his running skills. He ran over smaller players at his college level but he can't to it at the NFL level and he just isn't quick enough or elusive enough to get past NFL level talent

True, and part of that is he didn't run a 40 at his pro day. So without an actual time to compare, all you can do is watch him run in college and say "he looks pretty fast running against college guys". Which isn't the same as actually being fast - and elusive - against elite NFL players. Lance isn't Jimmy G slow but he doesn't have elite speed for the NFL and he is basically a straight-ahead runner. And a straight-ahead running QB without elite speed is bound to get hurt, repeatedly. Still just a complete failure on the part of our scouting team.

They had GPS for Lance, I believe, and he posted some good top speeds. But top speed isn't as important as acceleration, and Lance doesn't have the elite explosiveness.

[CrimsonCrew]

Not if he's developed properly. He has all of the physical tools. All he needs is reps.

You discount the mental ability. Lance may never process quick enough or have pocket presence. Many qbs never become proficient at the NFL level no matter how much you try and develop them. Physical traits mean nothing if you can't process and have no pocket awareness. Lance is deficient in those areas and may never develop enough to be a good NFLqb. He may just become another Kaepernick

He may never do those things, but he also could have developed them and became elite. All they needed was to go into this year with him as the starter and take a year to see what he actually had. Instead they went with an extremely limited 6'1 game manage with a noodle arm who will never sniff a chance at winning a ring. Watching another Choad Pennington for the next 5 years right after Jimmy G is gonna be agonizing.

I mean, the kid went 8-0, won two playoff games, and was having success against that Eagles' D when he got injured. I have concerns about Purdy's ceiling, but saying he'll never sniff a chance at winning a ring is absurd given that he took us to the NFC Championship game as a rookie.

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49ers might have won the SB by now with those players.

Except instead of Waddle, they might have blown the pick.

[Harry Palmer]

Thing is Trey isn't even that good of a runner. They overvalued his running skills. He ran over smaller players at his college level but he can't to it at the NFL level and he just isn't quick enough or elusive enough to get past NFL level talent

True, and part of that is he didn't run a 40 at his pro day. So without an actual time to compare, all you can do is watch him run in college and say "he looks pretty fast running against college guys". Which isn't the same as actually being fast - and elusive - against elite NFL players. Lance isn't Jimmy G slow but he doesn't have elite speed for the NFL and he is basically a straight-ahead runner. And a straight-ahead running QB without elite speed is bound to get hurt, repeatedly. Still just a complete failure on the part of our scouting team.

They had GPS for Lance, I believe, and he posted some good top speeds. But top speed isn't as important as acceleration, and Lance doesn't have the elite explosiveness.

He and Purdy are almost opposites in that way. Though to be fair I do think Trey often ‘slow runs’ on purpose waiting for a passing opp to open rather than going full tilt from go.

[Big J]

The 49ers are in win now and Purdy is far better equipped to win now than Lance is. You can keep repeating the noodle arm and game manager but iltgst doesn't make it true and it is false.

So what is Purdy then? A star? Lol

Not a star. But unlike Lance can read a defense and go through progressions and play QB the way Shanahan wants it played. Lance.losing to Sam Darnold tells you all you need to know

Thats because Purdy played 4 years of college ball and Lance played 1. Lance needs reps to be able to read a defense and go through progressions.

[Big J]

You discount the mental ability. Lance may never process quick enough or have pocket presence. Many qbs never become proficient at the NFL level no matter how much you try and develop them. Physical traits mean nothing if you can't process and have no pocket awareness. Lance is deficient in those areas and may never develop enough to be a good NFLqb. He may just become another Kaepernick

He may never do those things, but he also could have developed them and became elite. All they needed was to go into this year with him as the starter and take a year to see what he actually had. Instead they went with an extremely limited 6'1 game manage with a noodle arm who will never sniff a chance at winning a ring. Watching another Choad Pennington for the next 5 years right after Jimmy G is gonna be agonizing.

I mean, the kid went 8-0, won two playoff games, and was having success against that Eagles' D when he got injured. I have concerns about Purdy's ceiling, but saying he'll never sniff a chance at winning a ring is absurd given that he took us to the NFC Championship game as a rookie.

He did all of that because he had the most elite weapons in the league & a top 5 defense. He rarely had to throw the ball more than 10 yards or pick up yards with his legs.