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[Pattersonca65]

https://www.nbcsportsbayarea.com/nfl/san-francisco-49ers/dre-greenlaw-free-agency-denver-broncos-adam-schefter/1835769/?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR0xN_VJelLUOHac45Cm1tY8fqlGNbcueZ3o05_-e4vD_5eua7Ojwo3zMe8_aem_aco5pj9Jo35-u8k-WaWg9w

[Pattersonca65]

Foerester allegedly thought Brendel was great last year, according to Matt Barrow.

He was, great at whiffing on pass blocks

[Harry Palmer]

Foerester allegedly thought Brendel was great last year, according to Matt Barrow.

He was, great at whiffing on pass blocks

Yeah, I legit don’t know how to take that statement. Hopefully he’s just being loyal out loud. Otherwise…it raises lots of questions.

[Jikkle]

https://www.nbcsportsbayarea.com/nfl/san-francisco-49ers/dre-greenlaw-free-agency-denver-broncos-adam-schefter/1835769/?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR0xN_VJelLUOHac45Cm1tY8fqlGNbcueZ3o05_-e4vD_5eua7Ojwo3zMe8_aem_aco5pj9Jo35-u8k-WaWg9w

Greenlaw was the only guy I believe the team really wanted to retain. Sounds like he just had his heart set on being LB1 for a team and not continuing to play second fiddle to Warner.

Hard to say how much of a loss he's going to be because I question just how healthy he's going to be. He's a guy that's always banged up and guys like that don't magically get healthier over their careers.

Still a healthy Dre is a big loss for this defense but hopefully with Saleh back he can find another one since it does seem like he has a knack for sniffing out the diamonds in the rough.

[Jikkle]

Foerester allegedly thought Brendel was great last year, according to Matt Barrow.

He was, great at whiffing on pass blocks

Yeah, I legit don’t know how to take that statement. Hopefully he’s just being loyal out loud. Otherwise…it raises lots of questions.

It shows you how much tunnel vision the coaching has when it comes to run blocking because according to PFF Brendel graded out as an above-average run blocker.

On the flip side though his pass-blocking grade was abysmal which we didn't need PFF to tell us that.

I'm still hoping they can slide a guy like Bartch to C and maybe draft a rookie to be LG. They'll never start a rookie at C so pretty sure that's the only hope to unseat Brendel at the position.

[Jikkle]

Daniel Jeremiah said with the departures, Niners are likely going to be last in the NFC West again.

He thinks it's a silent retool.

There is nothing silent about it, and DJ is not unearthing something crazy here, pretty obvious this is a reset year with all the dead cap $ and cutting a lot of the fat/old/injured

don't know about us being last though, but if we are, it means the Brock Purdy experiment failed this year.

Hard for me to see us going last either. I mean we wouldn't have been last this past year if they didn't completely meltdown and won 3 games they should've won last year.

The offense should play at a high level and the defense will greatly depend on the draft but I can see it being a solid unit if they plug the holes it has right now. I'll say at least it's hard for me to see them melting down like they did last season with Saleh in charge of things.

[Pattersonca65]

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Greenlaw was the only guy I believe the team really wanted to retain. Sounds like he just had his heart set on being LB1 for a team and not continuing to play second fiddle to Warner.

Hard to say how much of a loss he's going to be because I question just how healthy he's going to be. He's a guy that's always banged up and guys like that don't magically get healthier over their careers.

Still a healthy Dre is a big loss for this defense but hopefully with Saleh back he can find another one since it does seem like he has a knack for sniffing out the diamonds in the rough.

They wanted Dre back and Moore was reported. I doubt they were going to pay Moore anything more than backup money. He just wasn't worth it. We will see how he does in KC

[wco81]

Maybe they asked Greenlaw for a hometown discount.

[CrimsonCrew]

In terms of the FA departures and cuts, as said, Greenlaw is the one that really hurts, followed by Hufanga. Greenlaw is a great player - it's really a shame he hasn't made any pro bowls, though OLBs in the pro bowl are basically always 3-4 pass rushers - and he brings so much to the table in terms of how he plays the game, his attitude, etc., too. Hufanga is in a similar vein, but has had more injury issues and hasn't had as much prolonged success.

The two cuts that really baffle me were Collins and Floyd. We have very little depth at DT (basically none, arguably don't have a starting-caliber DT on the roster) and DE (slightly better only because of Bosa). We saved a bit of money by cutting them, but not much. And if we actually signed halfway decent replacements (obviously we haven't), it would cost us more against the cap than just keeping those two. Neither guy is a great player at this point, but they were solid last year and should be again next year. Certainly part of a solid rotation along the DL. Cutting them just hurts the team. Additionally, there's a pretty good chance both guys would have gotten decent contracts next year as FAs, so we just flushed a couple comp picks - or at least player cancellations - down the can by cutting them. Really frustrating.

Finally, cutting Juice was just weird as it broke down. I know Lombardi thinks it didn't cost them any cap space, but I just don't see how that could possibly be true. He had a dead cap hit, the cost to cut him exceeded the savings, and we then signed him to close to the same amount that he was signed for before.

Anyway, I'll give them the offseason to pull things together, but I won't have a ton of patience if they struggle because of the DL or Brendel.

[Jikkle]

In terms of the FA departures and cuts, as said, Greenlaw is the one that really hurts, followed by Hufanga. Greenlaw is a great player - it's really a shame he hasn't made any pro bowls, though OLBs in the pro bowl are basically always 3-4 pass rushers - and he brings so much to the table in terms of how he plays the game, his attitude, etc., too. Hufanga is in a similar vein, but has had more injury issues and hasn't had as much prolonged success.

The two cuts that really baffle me were Collins and Floyd. We have very little depth at DT (basically none, arguably don't have a starting-caliber DT on the roster) and DE (slightly better only because of Bosa). We saved a bit of money by cutting them, but not much. And if we actually signed halfway decent replacements (obviously we haven't), it would cost us more against the cap than just keeping those two. Neither guy is a great player at this point, but they were solid last year and should be again next year. Certainly part of a solid rotation along the DL. Cutting them just hurts the team. Additionally, there's a pretty good chance both guys would have gotten decent contracts next year as FAs, so we just flushed a couple comp picks - or at least player cancellations - down the can by cutting them. Really frustrating.

Finally, cutting Juice was just weird as it broke down. I know Lombardi thinks it didn't cost them any cap space, but I just don't see how that could possibly be true. He had a dead cap hit, the cost to cut him exceeded the savings, and we then signed him to close to the same amount that he was signed for before.

Anyway, I'll give them the offseason to pull things together, but I won't have a ton of patience if they struggle because of the DL or Brendel.

I liked Huf but I just won't miss him. He basically played one season for the team and we just need a faster more coverage minded FS to pair with Mustapha.

My only guess with Collins and Floyd is they didn't want to waste reps on guys who wouldn't be here for the long haul. Looks like they plan on taking their lumps on defense this season so in that case you'd rather just throw the rookies out there and let them get on the job training. You can hope it's like the Rams defense in that it starts to gel the more the season goes on.

With Juice I really think they didn't think he was coming back and it was probably just a pleasant surprise that he was willing to come back for the price they thought was acceptable.

[Jikkle]

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It sucks because I thought he had the tools to be a good pass rusher once they got figured out what weight to play him at.

Looks like it'll be a miracle if he even takes snaps let alone be an effective pass rusher and unfortunately for him he was a guy that was raw and needed some development so he really needed a lot of snaps.

[Pattersonca65]

Read about Hennessey who is another center the 49ers have. He goes a bit against the grain of what Shanahan wants. He is a better pass blocker than run blocker. PFF gave him a respectable pass blocking score of 70 and a run blocking score of 60. The scouting reports on Hennessey appear to align with that. His strengths were in pass blocking but has issues with second level blocks. Another weakness he needs to work on his building strength.

[clyde21]

just insane how many assets we've wasted on the DL in the Lynch/Kyle era. Kinlaw and Thomas duds, Hargrave only gave us 1 good season, Drake Jackson injury.

and we didn't draft a *single* DL in the last two years. 17 picks, zero DTs, zero DEs, two mid-round LBs and one of them only started 10 games in 5 seasons in college.

we did draft the worst kicker in the league with a 3rd rounder, though.

[wco81]

just insane how many assets we've wasted on the DL in the Lynch/Kyle era. Kinlaw and Thomas duds, Hargrave only gave us 1 good season, Drake Jackson injury.

and we didn't draft a *single* DL in the last two years. 17 picks, zero DTs, zero DEs, two mid-round LBs and one of them only started 10 games in 5 seasons in college.

we did draft the worst kicker in the league with a 3rd rounder, though.

I've been saying for at least the past two seasons that the team needs to take drafting decisions away from Lynch and Kyle and if they refuse, just move on.

Because the team has already hit its ceiling under Shanahan.

[Pattersonca65]

just insane how many assets we've wasted on the DL in the Lynch/Kyle era. Kinlaw and Thomas duds, Hargrave only gave us 1 good season, Drake Jackson injury.

and we didn't draft a *single* DL in the last two years. 17 picks, zero DTs, zero DEs, two mid-round LBs and one of them only started 10 games in 5 seasons in college.

we did draft the worst kicker in the league with a 3rd rounder, though.

I've been saying for at least the past two seasons that the team needs to take drafting decisions away from Lynch and Kyle and if they refuse, just move on.

Because the team has already hit its ceiling under Shanahan.

Lynch is the GM. Might as well fire him if he isn't going to be trusted with drafting decisions. Without Lynch or Kyle, there isn't anyone left to make those decisions

[CrimsonCrew]

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It sucks because I thought he had the tools to be a good pass rusher once they got figured out what weight to play him at.

Looks like it'll be a miracle if he even takes snaps let alone be an effective pass rusher and unfortunately for him he was a guy that was raw and needed some development so he really needed a lot of snaps.

The Jackson pick is a particularly tough one for me. I liked Nik Bonitto more at edge (and said as much after the pick), but he was/is pretty undersized and Jackson seemed to have more potential to be a complete player if both hit their ceilings. I also liked Berhard Raimann at OT. Fast forward a couple years and Bonitto was second-team all-pro at an extremely competitive position with 15 sacks, Raimann was PFFs eighth-best OT, and Jackson may never play again. Brutal.

[wco81]

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It sucks because I thought he had the tools to be a good pass rusher once they got figured out what weight to play him at.

Looks like it'll be a miracle if he even takes snaps let alone be an effective pass rusher and unfortunately for him he was a guy that was raw and needed some development so he really needed a lot of snaps.

The Jackson pick is a particularly tough one for me. I liked Nik Bonitto more at edge (and said as much after the pick), but he was/is pretty undersized and Jackson seemed to have more potential to be a complete player if both hit their ceilings. I also liked Berhard Raimann at OT. Fast forward a couple years and Bonitto was second-team all-pro at an extremely competitive position with 15 sacks, Raimann was PFFs eighth-best OT, and Jackson may never play again. Brutal.

You have to start questioning whether it's just bad picks or they just don't develop them correctly, bad fit for the system, bad training, whatever.

We haven't seen any of the players who left the team become stars but they're solid starters for other teams. We will see with Banks and if someone like Kinlaw will earn his new contract.

[Jikkle]

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It sucks because I thought he had the tools to be a good pass rusher once they got figured out what weight to play him at.

Looks like it'll be a miracle if he even takes snaps let alone be an effective pass rusher and unfortunately for him he was a guy that was raw and needed some development so he really needed a lot of snaps.

The Jackson pick is a particularly tough one for me. I liked Nik Bonitto more at edge (and said as much after the pick), but he was/is pretty undersized and Jackson seemed to have more potential to be a complete player if both hit their ceilings. I also liked Berhard Raimann at OT. Fast forward a couple years and Bonitto was second-team all-pro at an extremely competitive position with 15 sacks, Raimann was PFFs eighth-best OT, and Jackson may never play again. Brutal.

You have to start questioning whether it's just bad picks or they just don't develop them correctly, bad fit for the system, bad training, whatever.

We haven't seen any of the players who left the team become stars but they're solid starters for other teams. We will see with Banks and if someone like Kinlaw will earn his new contract.

I'll be interested to see how this draft goes because I kinda wonder how much blame is on Adam Peters' shoulders for some of these bad picks.

Last year's draft class has the makings of being a good draft class and when I saw how much he gave Kinlaw it basically told me he had to be very high on Kinlaw in 2020. I'm pretty sure he was high on Reuben Foster as well if memory serves me correctly.

Of course that's not to say Peters' was solely responsible for the draft whiffs and you do have to credit him for some of the home runs in the later rounds but don't think he was the lone voice of reason in the room telling everyone to not take Thomas, Kinlaw, Lance, McGlinchey, and etc.

[CrimsonCrew]

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It sucks because I thought he had the tools to be a good pass rusher once they got figured out what weight to play him at.

Looks like it'll be a miracle if he even takes snaps let alone be an effective pass rusher and unfortunately for him he was a guy that was raw and needed some development so he really needed a lot of snaps.

The Jackson pick is a particularly tough one for me. I liked Nik Bonitto more at edge (and said as much after the pick), but he was/is pretty undersized and Jackson seemed to have more potential to be a complete player if both hit their ceilings. I also liked Berhard Raimann at OT. Fast forward a couple years and Bonitto was second-team all-pro at an extremely competitive position with 15 sacks, Raimann was PFFs eighth-best OT, and Jackson may never play again. Brutal.

You have to start questioning whether it's just bad picks or they just don't develop them correctly, bad fit for the system, bad training, whatever.

We haven't seen any of the players who left the team become stars but they're solid starters for other teams. We will see with Banks and if someone like Kinlaw will earn his new contract.

I'm not sure the Jackson pick entirely fits within that as he's had a really serious injury that has derailed the last two years. That said, there were some legit questions about him coming out, which is why I had Bonitto higher at edge. Jackson had a lot of physical talent, but hadn't entirely put it together. Long arms, great explosive metrics, great agility and bend. But he struggled a bit in college - you could maybe attribute some of that to the team he was on and playing out of position. He put on about 20 pounds between the combine and his pro day (he still put up those great agility numbers at the higher weight), and on draft day he looked positively chubby. He has always lacked functional strength. I remember a year or two ago it was a story that he could finally bench as much as his dad.

This team has been a conundrum in the draft. Their results in the first three rounds are underwhelming. But they have been so good in rounds 5-7. Almost certainly the best in the league. Impact players at QB, TE, WR, LB, CB, S. Those late-round picks have literally saved this FO. But now they need to tie it all together and excel throughout the draft.

[clyde21]

this FO loves these types, the toolsy types with traits who they think might be undervalued because they didn't play as well in college. they drafted Robert Beal and the dude started 10 games in 5 years in college, all based primarily on his traits

which means it wouldn't be surprise me at all if they take a Shemar Stewart or something at 11, just an athletic freak they think they can mold and develop into something more than he was in college.