The Trey Lance thread

[Big J]

I should have added: he doesn’t fold under pressure, even as a rookie.

Yea, but we're basing that on a tiny 10 game sample size. He never even had any close games where he had to put together a game winning drive. And let's be honest, the team wasn't beating the Eagles even if he didn't get hurt in that game.

That's not entirely true. He carried a struggling defense against the Raiders, putting together a late-game drive to go up by 7 with just over two minutes remaining, and when the Raiders responded with a score to tie, he engineered a hurry-up drive for the win, but Gould missed the 41-yard kick. From a QB standpoint he rose to the challenge.

As for the Eagles, they scared me last year. They were a great team that matched up really well with our weaknesses. But our D did an excellent job of containing them - especially if Kyle had challenged that damn 4th down Devonta Smith drop - until the offensive miscues became overwhelming. That fumble just before half really salted the game away. No way that happens with Purdy. He almost certainly doesn't lose that ball, and if he did, I guarantee he would have gotten on top of it.

Aight, now you’re just making up fan fiction to support your narratives.

[arich35]

Yea, but we're basing that on a tiny 10 game sample size. He never even had any close games where he had to put together a game winning drive. And let's be honest, the team wasn't beating the Eagles even if he didn't get hurt in that game.

That's not entirely true. He carried a struggling defense against the Raiders, putting together a late-game drive to go up by 7 with just over two minutes remaining, and when the Raiders responded with a score to tie, he engineered a hurry-up drive for the win, but Gould missed the 41-yard kick. From a QB standpoint he rose to the challenge.

As for the Eagles, they scared me last year. They were a great team that matched up really well with our weaknesses. But our D did an excellent job of containing them - especially if Kyle had challenged that damn 4th down Devonta Smith drop - until the offensive miscues became overwhelming. That fumble just before half really salted the game away. No way that happens with Purdy. He almost certainly doesn't lose that ball, and if he did, I guarantee he would have gotten on top of it.

Aight, now you’re just making up fan fiction to support your narratives.

Everything he just said was fact.
It was 7-7 even after Purdy got hurt before they drove down and scored. Even 14-7 wasn't bad considering we were without a true QB, and then Johnson really screwed up and there was no chance after that. We would have went in 14-7 or 14-10 at half and got the ball to start with Kyle able to make some adjustments with a 4th string QB now in at QB. Johnson then got a concussion to begin the half and well no chance then. I truly think if Purdy doesn't get hurt that game is a one possession game that could have swung either way. Defense was playing well, but ended up being overworked when the offense couldn't stay on the field for more than a couple minutes

[CrimsonCrew]

Yea, but we're basing that on a tiny 10 game sample size. He never even had any close games where he had to put together a game winning drive. And let's be honest, the team wasn't beating the Eagles even if he didn't get hurt in that game.

That's not entirely true. He carried a struggling defense against the Raiders, putting together a late-game drive to go up by 7 with just over two minutes remaining, and when the Raiders responded with a score to tie, he engineered a hurry-up drive for the win, but Gould missed the 41-yard kick. From a QB standpoint he rose to the challenge.

As for the Eagles, they scared me last year. They were a great team that matched up really well with our weaknesses. But our D did an excellent job of containing them - especially if Kyle had challenged that damn 4th down Devonta Smith drop - until the offensive miscues became overwhelming. That fumble just before half really salted the game away. No way that happens with Purdy. He almost certainly doesn't lose that ball, and if he did, I guarantee he would have gotten on top of it.

Aight, now you’re just making up fan fiction to support your narratives.

What's fan fiction? If a QB drives a team from his 25 to the opponent's 23 with 1:11 remaining and the score tied, that's a game-winning drive in my book, whether the kicker hits or not. He did his job. He can't hit the kick. As for Philly, I am definitely not confident the Niners win the game with a healthy Purdy. But I'm fairly confident it would have been a game with Purdy at QB.

[Big J]

Purdy is going to come back to earth hard. All of you guys who think he’s this unstoppable force are deluding yourselves. He’s become massively overrated given his physical limitations.

[CrimsonCrew]

Purdy is going to come back to earth hard. All of you guys who think he’s this unstoppable force are deluding yourselves. He’s become massively overrated given his physical limitations.

No one is saying that. You're making objectively false statements and we are correcting you. I think pretty much all of us have acknowledged some concerns about Purdy.

[Pattersonca65]

Purdy is going to come back to earth hard. All of you guys who think he’s this unstoppable force are deluding yourselves. He’s become massively overrated given his physical limitations.

No one is saying that. You are the one who is making all these declarations. You are so obsessed with the physical and ignore the mental aspect of the game.

[Big J]

Purdy is going to come back to earth hard. All of you guys who think he’s this unstoppable force are deluding yourselves. He’s become massively overrated given his physical limitations.

No one is saying that. You are the one who is making all these declarations. You are so obsessed with the physical and ignore the mental aspect of the game.

Because football is an incredibly physical sport. All of the best QBs are either big, have elite arm talent, or are a duel threat with their legs. Brees is the only outlier, and he put up monster numbers in college. Purdy is more likely than not just going to be the same as a Gardner Minshew.

[Warriorfan]

Cowboys really going to benefit from Shanahan blunder.

They got Micah Parsons with 49ers pick.
Plus they gor 1st round talent for a 4th.

Dolphins haul helped them get Chubb, Waylan and Hill

Im sure Shanahan will get above average production from Purdy and Darnold who had a better QB grade than Lance

[Big J]

Cowboys really going to benefit from Shanahan blunder.

They got Micah Parsons with 49ers pick.
Plus they gor 1st round talent for a 4th.

Dolphins haul helped them get Chubb, Waylan and Hill

Im sure Shanahan will get above average production from Purdy and Darnold who had a better QB grade than Lance

Right, just like he got above average production from Jimmy G. Unfortunately those kind of guys can’t ever seal the deal.

[Warriorfan]

Cowboys really going to benefit from Shanahan blunder.

They got Micah Parsons with 49ers pick.
Plus they gor 1st round talent for a 4th.

Dolphins haul helped them get Chubb, Waylan and Hill

Im sure Shanahan will get above average production from Purdy and Darnold who had a better QB grade than Lance

Right, just like he got above average production from Jimmy G. Unfortunately those kind of guys can’t ever seal the deal.

The team is talented enough to get to superbowls it was his coaching and 1 missed throw why Shanahan hasnt won a superbowl.

They have a 2 yr window.

[arich35]

Purdy is going to come back to earth hard. All of you guys who think he’s this unstoppable force are deluding yourselves. He’s become massively overrated given his physical limitations.

I don't think anyone thinks Purdy is going to be a superstar in this league but I think he can be a top 15 QB which is good enough for this team to get to and win the Super Bowl. I am not going to say he is limited and can't even be a top 10 QB. You are the only one saying he isn't good and will never progress because he is physically limited. Based on last year I don't see how you can already declare him to be destined to be a back up and not good enough

[Pattersonca65]

Purdy is going to come back to earth hard. All of you guys who think he’s this unstoppable force are deluding yourselves. He’s become massively overrated given his physical limitations.

No one is saying that. You are the one who is making all these declarations. You are so obsessed with the physical and ignore the mental aspect of the game.

Because football is an incredibly physical sport. All of the best QBs are either big, have elite arm talent, or are a duel threat with their legs. Brees is the only outlier, and he put up monster numbers in college. Purdy is more likely than not just going to be the same as a Gardner Minshew.

Nothing can be further from the truth. If that was even remotely true NFL teams would not fail so often and badly drafting QBs

[Pattersonca65]

Purdy is going to come back to earth hard. All of you guys who think he’s this unstoppable force are deluding yourselves. He’s become massively overrated given his physical limitations.

I don't think anyone thinks Purdy is going to be a superstar in this league but I think he can be a top 15 QB which is good enough for this team to get to and win the Super Bowl. I am not going to say he is limited and can't even be a top 10 QB. You are the only one saying he isn't good and will never progress because he is physically limited. Based on last year I don't see how you can already declare him to be destined to be a back up and not good enough

But Lance can throw the ball 80 yards down the field so he is going to be the next Mahomes.

[wco81]

Cowboys really going to benefit from Shanahan blunder.

They got Micah Parsons with 49ers pick.
Plus they gor 1st round talent for a 4th.

Dolphins haul helped them get Chubb, Waylan and Hill

Im sure Shanahan will get above average production from Purdy and Darnold who had a better QB grade than Lance

Would have been great to have Parsons though the 49ers would have to choose between him and Bosa which one to extend.

Unless one of them took a below-market contract.

Bosa isn't taking a below-market deal nor will Parsons, I suspect.

[Samurai]

Purdy is going to come back to earth hard. All of you guys who think he’s this unstoppable force are deluding yourselves. He’s become massively overrated given his physical limitations.

I don't think anyone thinks Purdy is going to be a superstar in this league but I think he can be a top 15 QB which is good enough for this team to get to and win the Super Bowl. I am not going to say he is limited and can't even be a top 10 QB. You are the only one saying he isn't good and will never progress because he is physically limited. Based on last year I don't see how you can already declare him to be destined to be a back up and not good enough

But Lance can throw the ball 80 yards down the field so he is going to be the next Mahomes.

Don't think Lance will quite get to Mahommes' level - my guess is he can only throw it 79 yards.

[Big J]

Purdy is going to come back to earth hard. All of you guys who think he’s this unstoppable force are deluding yourselves. He’s become massively overrated given his physical limitations.

I don't think anyone thinks Purdy is going to be a superstar in this league but I think he can be a top 15 QB which is good enough for this team to get to and win the Super Bowl. I am not going to say he is limited and can't even be a top 10 QB. You are the only one saying he isn't good and will never progress because he is physically limited. Based on last year I don't see how you can already declare him to be destined to be a back up and not good enough

Is Minshew a top 10-15 QB?

[CrimsonCrew]

Purdy is going to come back to earth hard. All of you guys who think he’s this unstoppable force are deluding yourselves. He’s become massively overrated given his physical limitations.

No one is saying that. You are the one who is making all these declarations. You are so obsessed with the physical and ignore the mental aspect of the game.

Because football is an incredibly physical sport. All of the best QBs are either big, have elite arm talent, or are a duel threat with their legs. Brees is the only outlier, and he put up monster numbers in college. Purdy is more likely than not just going to be the same as a Gardner Minshew.

You're covering a lot of territory with these categories. It's very likely that any starting NFL QB will be at least one of these things, though many only had one or maybe two of them. As you note, Brees does not fit any group. Tony Romo didn't, either. You can argue he's not one of the best QBs, but he was when he played. I'd argue that Brady doesn't fit any group, either. Brady had good height, at almost 6'4 1/2", but he was also 211 at that height, which is a very slight build. I don't think we can consider that big, and although height has some clear benefits, Purdy's height hasn't seemed to prevent him from seeing the field or finding throwing lanes.

Rodgers is only 6'2" and although he can hurt you with his legs on scrambles, he's never been a dynamic runner. Obviously he does have the big-time arm. Matt Ryan may not have been one of the best QBs, but for a period he was elite. He's got size, but not elite arm talent (admittedly better than Purdy's) and certainly not a dual threat. Philip Rivers is the same, only possessing size without an elite arm or athleticism.

There's absolutely no doubt that the odds are stacked against Purdy becoming an elite QB. He would buck a lot of trends if he made it to that level. And I really wanted to give Trey more time on this team before giving up on him as we did. But Purdy is the starting QB, whatever you think of Lance, Purdy clearly earned that right, and now we've just got to see what he does in actual games.

[Big J]

No one is saying that. You are the one who is making all these declarations. You are so obsessed with the physical and ignore the mental aspect of the game.

Because football is an incredibly physical sport. All of the best QBs are either big, have elite arm talent, or are a duel threat with their legs. Brees is the only outlier, and he put up monster numbers in college. Purdy is more likely than not just going to be the same as a Gardner Minshew.

You're covering a lot of territory with these categories. It's very likely that any starting NFL QB will be at least one of these things, though many only had one or maybe two of them. As you note, Brees does not fit any group. Tony Romo didn't, either. You can argue he's not one of the best QBs, but he was when he played. I'd argue that Brady doesn't fit any group, either. Brady had good height, at almost 6'4 1/2", but he was also 211 at that height, which is a very slight build. I don't think we can consider that big, and although height has some clear benefits, Purdy's height hasn't seemed to prevent him from seeing the field or finding throwing lanes.

Rodgers is only 6'2" and although he can hurt you with his legs on scrambles, he's never been a dynamic runner. Obviously he does have the big-time arm. Matt Ryan may not have been one of the best QBs, but for a period he was elite. He's got size, but not elite arm talent (admittedly better than Purdy's) and certainly not a dual threat. Philip Rivers is the same, only possessing size without an elite arm or athleticism.

There's absolutely no doubt that the odds are stacked against Purdy becoming an elite QB. He would buck a lot of trends if he made it to that level. And I really wanted to give Trey more time on this team before giving up on him as we did. But Purdy is the starting QB, whatever you think of Lance, Purdy clearly earned that right, and now we've just got to see what he does in actual games.

I mean I get that Purdy earned the right to start, but did he earn the right to have his biggest competition traded from the team? Think about it, if Purdy struggles during the first half of the season there won't be talking heads pining for him to be benched for Darnold or whoever the third stringer is, but they damn sure would have if Lance was on the team.

[arich35]

Purdy is going to come back to earth hard. All of you guys who think he’s this unstoppable force are deluding yourselves. He’s become massively overrated given his physical limitations.

I don't think anyone thinks Purdy is going to be a superstar in this league but I think he can be a top 15 QB which is good enough for this team to get to and win the Super Bowl. I am not going to say he is limited and can't even be a top 10 QB. You are the only one saying he isn't good and will never progress because he is physically limited. Based on last year I don't see how you can already declare him to be destined to be a back up and not good enough

Is Minshew a top 10-15 QB?

Lol you are the only one comparing him to Minshew

[arich35]

Because football is an incredibly physical sport. All of the best QBs are either big, have elite arm talent, or are a duel threat with their legs. Brees is the only outlier, and he put up monster numbers in college. Purdy is more likely than not just going to be the same as a Gardner Minshew.

You're covering a lot of territory with these categories. It's very likely that any starting NFL QB will be at least one of these things, though many only had one or maybe two of them. As you note, Brees does not fit any group. Tony Romo didn't, either. You can argue he's not one of the best QBs, but he was when he played. I'd argue that Brady doesn't fit any group, either. Brady had good height, at almost 6'4 1/2", but he was also 211 at that height, which is a very slight build. I don't think we can consider that big, and although height has some clear benefits, Purdy's height hasn't seemed to prevent him from seeing the field or finding throwing lanes.

Rodgers is only 6'2" and although he can hurt you with his legs on scrambles, he's never been a dynamic runner. Obviously he does have the big-time arm. Matt Ryan may not have been one of the best QBs, but for a period he was elite. He's got size, but not elite arm talent (admittedly better than Purdy's) and certainly not a dual threat. Philip Rivers is the same, only possessing size without an elite arm or athleticism.

There's absolutely no doubt that the odds are stacked against Purdy becoming an elite QB. He would buck a lot of trends if he made it to that level. And I really wanted to give Trey more time on this team before giving up on him as we did. But Purdy is the starting QB, whatever you think of Lance, Purdy clearly earned that right, and now we've just got to see what he does in actual games.

I mean I get that Purdy earned the right to start, but did he earn the right to have his biggest competition traded from the team? Think about it, if Purdy struggles during the first half of the season there won't be talking heads pining for him to be benched for Darnold or whoever the third stringer is, but they damn sure would have if Lance was on the team.

I am not sure if anyone has said that we should have traded Lance.