The Brock Purdy Thread

[wco81]

Thought this was one of Purdy's best game as he showcased some real downfield accuracy that wasn't intermediate down the middle throws.

That was one aspect of his game that was somewhat questionable if he can nail those throws on a consistent basis and while I'd say he needs to string together more games with close to this kinda of deep throw effectiveness it's good to see he is fully capable of nailing a few a game.

It's vital that he has these throws or it's going to be a Jimmy G situation where teams just focus on covering the middle of the field and dare outside the numbers deep throws. It's why I argued for Lance is because we needed more deep throw outside the numbers success to punish defenses that try to creep up and shut down the run and intermediate passing attack.

Doesn’t he lead the league in completion % on passes of 30 or more yards? It could just mean passes that go for 30 or more but can vary wildly in air yards, but the way I saw it mentioned seemed to be specific to throwing deep balls.

He does but a lot of that is from YAC. See the Philly game.

In this game Purdy had two longer passes to Deebo and Kittle. However, I think the Seattle safeties especially played poorly in this game.

In fact in one of the Hawks forums, the fans were really pissed about poor pursuit and angles by their 3 safeties alignment.

Adams is more of a LB and a LB that can't play in space on pass defense at that.

But Deebo and Kittle separated far and fast on those routes so those weren't hard passes.

I think we need a larger sample size before we can say he's a great downfield passer. Probably better than Jimmy but that is a low bar.

But he can get explosive plays by identifying the right target and getting it to him on time, to allow YAC or to throw to a spot before the WR even comes out of his break.

That's his value so far as a QB, the processing more than anything else.

[CharityStripe34]

Thought this was one of Purdy's best game as he showcased some real downfield accuracy that wasn't intermediate down the middle throws.

That was one aspect of his game that was somewhat questionable if he can nail those throws on a consistent basis and while I'd say he needs to string together more games with close to this kinda of deep throw effectiveness it's good to see he is fully capable of nailing a few a game.

It's vital that he has these throws or it's going to be a Jimmy G situation where teams just focus on covering the middle of the field and dare outside the numbers deep throws. It's why I argued for Lance is because we needed more deep throw outside the numbers success to punish defenses that try to creep up and shut down the run and intermediate passing attack.

Doesn’t he lead the league in completion % on passes of 30 or more yards? It could just mean passes that go for 30 or more but can vary wildly in air yards, but the way I saw it mentioned seemed to be specific to throwing deep balls.

He does but a lot of that is from YAC. See the Philly game.

In this game Purdy had two longer passes to Deebo and Kittle. However, I think the Seattle safeties especially played poorly in this game.

In fact in one of the Hawks forums, the fans were really pissed about poor pursuit and angles by their 3 safeties alignment.

Adams is more of a LB and a LB that can't play in space on pass defense at that.

But Deebo and Kittle separated far and fast on those routes so those weren't hard passes.

I think we need a larger sample size before we can say he's a great downfield passer. Probably better than Jimmy but that is a low bar.

But he can get explosive plays by identifying the right target and getting it to him on time, to allow YAC or to throw to a spot before the WR even comes out of his break.

That's his value so far as a QB, the processing more than anything else.

The most impressive pass he threw was to Aiyuk. It was a 30-yard pass up the left sideline as he rolled left to avoid pressure. And it was thrown right into BA's breadbasket. Can't remember if it was late third or early fourth. That was an awesome throw moving to his left.

[Samurai]

The most impressive pass he threw was to Aiyuk. It was a 30-yard pass up the left sideline as he rolled left to avoid pressure. And it was thrown right into BA's breadbasket. Can't remember if it was late third or early fourth. That was an awesome throw moving to his left.

That was with about 6 minutes left in the third quarter - beautiful pass. Purdy let it go when he was on his 20 after scrambling left and BA catches it at the 36, so the ball went 43 yards in the air. Had everything he's not supposed to be able to do: use his mobility to get out of trouble, improvise and not just execute the play that Kyle called, and throw an absolute dot on a deep throw.

[CrimsonCrew]

Thought this was one of Purdy's best game as he showcased some real downfield accuracy that wasn't intermediate down the middle throws.

That was one aspect of his game that was somewhat questionable if he can nail those throws on a consistent basis and while I'd say he needs to string together more games with close to this kinda of deep throw effectiveness it's good to see he is fully capable of nailing a few a game.

It's vital that he has these throws or it's going to be a Jimmy G situation where teams just focus on covering the middle of the field and dare outside the numbers deep throws. It's why I argued for Lance is because we needed more deep throw outside the numbers success to punish defenses that try to creep up and shut down the run and intermediate passing attack.

Doesn’t he lead the league in completion % on passes of 30 or more yards? It could just mean passes that go for 30 or more but can vary wildly in air yards, but the way I saw it mentioned seemed to be specific to throwing deep balls.

He does but a lot of that is from YAC. See the Philly game.

In this game Purdy had two longer passes to Deebo and Kittle. However, I think the Seattle safeties especially played poorly in this game.

In fact in one of the Hawks forums, the fans were really pissed about poor pursuit and angles by their 3 safeties alignment.

Adams is more of a LB and a LB that can't play in space on pass defense at that.

But Deebo and Kittle separated far and fast on those routes so those weren't hard passes.

I think we need a larger sample size before we can say he's a great downfield passer. Probably better than Jimmy but that is a low bar.

But he can get explosive plays by identifying the right target and getting it to him on time, to allow YAC or to throw to a spot before the WR even comes out of his break.

That's his value so far as a QB, the processing more than anything else.

He's DEFINITELY a better downfield passer than Garoppolo. Garoppolo hit one or two nice deep balls to a receiver in stride in his entire Niners career, and the one I remember most clearly was the one to Kittle in the SB that was negated by a penalty. He routinely missed these throws, on the rare occasions that he actually attempted them.

I'm not saying Purdy will be the next great deep ball thrower in the league. That doesn't seem to be the best fit for his skill set, though Brees was very arguably the best deep ball thrower in the league for a few years despite a mediocre arm. But after struggling early, Purdy has consistently thrown really nice deep balls to receives in stride. I can't remember him missing one since the bye.

Having said that, one of the things JTO has pointed out is that one of the enduring flaws in Purdy's tape is that he rarely throws deep balls to the pylon that are open. He pointed one out in this week's film where Kittle had beaten the defense. Purdy still went to Aiyuk for big yards (this was the play Aiyuk fumbled on), but it was a risky throw into tight coverage (albeit an excellent pass), and Kittle could have had a walk-in. I'm personally glad he did not, because I was playing against Kittle in fantasy and locked up a first-round bye with a two-point win. But that's only because the Niners won going away anyway. You can see that play at 37:00 in the video below.

If Purdy can add that pass to his repertoire, it's just going to make this team more dangerous. But there's no doubt that his ability to consistently threaten the entire field to a depth of 30-40 yards from the LOS has changed the entire dynamic of this offense in a way that they were not able to do under Garoppolo. Garoppolo basically only worked between the numbers within 20 yards. It was incredibly restrictive and allowed LBs to really focus on jumping those short crossers. They can't do that as aggressively if Purdy is also attacking them deep.

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[Harry Palmer]

The most impressive pass he threw was to Aiyuk. It was a 30-yard pass up the left sideline as he rolled left to avoid pressure. And it was thrown right into BA's breadbasket. Can't remember if it was late third or early fourth. That was an awesome throw moving to his left.

That was with about 6 minutes left in the third quarter - beautiful pass. Purdy let it go when he was on his 20 after scrambling left and BA catches it at the 36, so the ball went 43 yards in the air. Had everything he's not supposed to be able to do: use his mobility to get out of trouble, improvise and not just execute the play that Kyle called, and throw an absolute dot on a deep throw.

Fantastic post!

[CharityStripe34]

Having said that, one of the things JTO has pointed out is that one of the enduring flaws in Purdy's tape is that he rarely throws deep balls to the pylon that are open. He pointed one out in this week's film where Kittle had beaten the defense. Purdy still went to Aiyuk for big yards (this was the play Aiyuk fumbled on), but it was a risky throw into tight coverage (albeit an excellent pass), and Kittle could have had a walk-in. I'm personally glad he did not, because I was playing against Kittle in fantasy and locked up a first-round bye with a two-point win. But that's only because the Niners won going away anyway. You can see that play at 37:00 in the video below.

If Purdy can add that pass to his repertoire, it's just going to make this team more dangerous. But there's no doubt that his ability to consistently threaten the entire field to a depth of 30-40 yards from the LOS has changed the entire dynamic of this offense in a way that they were not able to do under Garoppolo. Garoppolo basically only worked between the numbers within 20 yards. It was incredibly restrictive and allowed LBs to really focus on jumping those short crossers. They can't do that as aggressively if Purdy is also attacking them deep.

Agree, it's the one remaining style of pass that Purdy's rarely unleashed. There have been 3-4 times in the past few weeks where that deep post-corner route is open, and Purdy takes the 20-yard in-breaker. I'm sure that Purdy and the coaches see that on film and know it's there, and I bet Kyle tells Brock that at the right time against a very good opponent, take the shot.

[Jikkle]

I've been cautiously optimistic about Purdy and less cautious and more optimistic as time went on and while I still am optimistic but have got to say some caution has slid up.

Purdy is 0-4 when this team needed a comeback. To be fair it's probably 1-3 since we win against the Browns if Moody makes the kick but Purdy was not good at all against the Browns and he's kinda the reason we needed a comeback in the first place.

But the other 3 losses he threw back-breaking INTs that killed any chance for the team to make a comeback.

To be fair again the offense at it's core isn't good at comebacks regardless of QB but I don't think Kyle is dialing up INTs either.

[Big J]

When the other team knows he has to pass he is too easy to defend.

[Pattersonca65]

When the other team knows he has to pass he is too easy to defend.

Look. The troll is back after several weeks

[Pattersonca65]

I've been cautiously optimistic about Purdy and less cautious and more optimistic as time went on and while I still am optimistic but have got to say some caution has slid up.

Purdy is 0-4 when this team needed a comeback. To be fair it's probably 1-3 since we win against the Browns if Moody makes the kick but Purdy was not good at all against the Browns and he's kinda the reason we needed a comeback in the first place.

But the other 3 losses he threw back-breaking INTs that killed any chance for the team to make a comeback.

To be fair again the offense at it's core isn't good at comebacks regardless of QB but I don't think Kyle is dialing up INTs either.

This game went sideways from the opening drive

[CrimsonCrew]

Not jumping ship, of course, but this was a real step back.

The issues in this one started up front for me. OL, particularly the interior, were getting manhandled (why did we go back to Burford after Feliciano has been playing well???). Granted, Purdy was far from his best. We were due for some INT regression, and it all just seemed to hit in this game. Some bad reads/being late with the football (first INT), kind of dumb luck (second INT deflected by one blitzer right to another), risky play that was also unlucky (third INT, throwing back against his body but still basically on his receiver's hands). For some reason, I can't recall the fourth INT right now. That said, Brock is also pretty lucky he didn't have more INTs.

This game was just a disaster, and I think at the end of the day you chalk it up to that. Sloppy, lots of penalties, Brock never really seemed to settle down, and the OL just kept getting worse. Playcalling seemed a bit disjointed at times. We moved the ball fairly well for much of the game, but the turnovers, of course, were devastating. The question is whether those were indeed fairly fluky and we can bounce back from them, or if the Ravens caught on to some of Brock's tendencies and were able to exploit them.

At the end of the day, this offense has struggled at times against the better passing defenses. They all need to figure it out if we're going to go all the way this year. And soon.

[arich35]

Not jumping ship, of course, but this was a real step back.

The issues in this one started up front for me. OL, particularly the interior, were getting manhandled (why did we go back to Burford after Feliciano has been playing well???). Granted, Purdy was far from his best. We were due for some INT regression, and it all just seemed to hit in this game. Some bad reads/being late with the football (first INT), kind of dumb luck (second INT deflected by one blitzer right to another), risky play that was also unlucky (third INT, throwing back against his body but still basically on his receiver's hands). For some reason, I can't recall the fourth INT right now. That said, Brock is also pretty lucky he didn't have more INTs.

This game was just a disaster, and I think at the end of the day you chalk it up to that. Sloppy, lots of penalties, Brock never really seemed to settle down, and the OL just kept getting worse. Playcalling seemed a bit disjointed at times. We moved the ball fairly well for much of the game, but the turnovers, of course, were devastating. The question is whether those were indeed fairly fluky and we can bounce back from them, or if the Ravens caught on to some of Brock's tendencies and were able to exploit them.

At the end of the day, this offense has struggled at times against the better passing defenses. They all need to figure it out if we're going to go all the way this year. And soon.

4th INT was his arm getting hit. I think only the first INT was bad, it was a bad read and a late ball which isn't something we normally see from Brock. QBs have **** games throughout the year, hard to come up with one who hasn't had a few bad games, the stats show it being much worse than it was, you could tell he was just off even from the tight spiral he usually throws it wasn't there, **** happens.

We need to flush it quick and win the next two games and get the bye.

[arich35]

When the other team knows he has to pass he is too easy to defend.

Yeah, typically one dimensional teams are easy to defend.
And what you said is just false, he has done really well all year when teams know we are going to throw, we wouldn't be top 5 in 3rd down conversion rate if he wasn't good in must pass situations

[CrimsonCrew]

Not jumping ship, of course, but this was a real step back.

The issues in this one started up front for me. OL, particularly the interior, were getting manhandled (why did we go back to Burford after Feliciano has been playing well???). Granted, Purdy was far from his best. We were due for some INT regression, and it all just seemed to hit in this game. Some bad reads/being late with the football (first INT), kind of dumb luck (second INT deflected by one blitzer right to another), risky play that was also unlucky (third INT, throwing back against his body but still basically on his receiver's hands). For some reason, I can't recall the fourth INT right now. That said, Brock is also pretty lucky he didn't have more INTs.

This game was just a disaster, and I think at the end of the day you chalk it up to that. Sloppy, lots of penalties, Brock never really seemed to settle down, and the OL just kept getting worse. Playcalling seemed a bit disjointed at times. We moved the ball fairly well for much of the game, but the turnovers, of course, were devastating. The question is whether those were indeed fairly fluky and we can bounce back from them, or if the Ravens caught on to some of Brock's tendencies and were able to exploit them.

At the end of the day, this offense has struggled at times against the better passing defenses. They all need to figure it out if we're going to go all the way this year. And soon.

4th INT was his arm getting hit. I think only the first INT was bad, it was a bad read and a late ball which isn't something we normally see from Brock. QBs have **** games throughout the year, hard to come up with one who hasn't had a few bad games, the stats show it being much worse than it was, you could tell he was just off even from the tight spiral he usually throws it wasn't there, **** happens.

We need to flush it quick and win the next two games and get the bye.

That's right. Yeah, three of the INTs were tough breaks, though again, throwing back into the middle is inherently risky and he's gotten away with it several times this year. And he hit at least one LB in the facemask on a ball that wasn't picked. Everyone has got to be better, except maybe Kittle, Aiyuk, and McCaffrey (though curious what those guys were doing when the ball didn't go to them).

[Big J]

When the other team knows he has to pass he is too easy to defend.

Yeah, typically one dimensional teams are easy to defend.
And what you said is just false, he has done really well all year when teams know we are going to throw, we wouldn't be top 5 in 3rd down conversion rate if he wasn't good in must pass situations

Teams still have to defend the run on 3rd down. Especially 3rd & short.

[CrimsonCrew]

Just for some perspective, in his first season as the starter (he only played part of one game as a rookie), Tom Brady threw four INTs in a loss to the Broncos. In his second season, he threw three INTs in a loss to the Packers, after two losses in which he threw two INTs each. In his third season, he threw four INTs in a loss to the Bills in week one, then three in a loss to Washington three weeks later. Even the best have **** games. Usually multiple times a season. Brock has shown the ability to bounce back before. Let's see how he shakes it off this times.

[arich35]

Just for some perspective, in his first season as the starter (he only played part of one game as a rookie), Tom Brady threw four INTs in a loss to the Broncos. In his second season, he threw three INTs in a loss to the Packers, after two losses in which he threw two INTs each. In his third season, he threw four INTs in a loss to the Bills in week one, then three in a loss to Washington three weeks later. Even the best have **** games. Usually multiple times a season. Brock has shown the ability to bounce back before. Let's see how he shakes it off this times.

Would rather him get a **** performance out now rather then the next 5 games

[CrimsonCrew]

Agreed. But they need to right the ship this week.

[Pattersonca65]

Just for some perspective, in his first season as the starter (he only played part of one game as a rookie), Tom Brady threw four INTs in a loss to the Broncos. In his second season, he threw three INTs in a loss to the Packers, after two losses in which he threw two INTs each. In his third season, he threw four INTs in a loss to the Bills in week one, then three in a loss to Washington three weeks later. Even the best have **** games. Usually multiple times a season. Brock has shown the ability to bounce back before. Let's see how he shakes it off this times.

So has Kurt Warner. Even.Mahomes has some stinkers. He didn't look good against the Raiders of all teams this past week

[zman1]

Just for some perspective, in his first season as the starter (he only played part of one game as a rookie), Tom Brady threw four INTs in a loss to the Broncos. In his second season, he threw three INTs in a loss to the Packers, after two losses in which he threw two INTs each. In his third season, he threw four INTs in a loss to the Bills in week one, then three in a loss to Washington three weeks later. Even the best have **** games. Usually multiple times a season. Brock has shown the ability to bounce back before. Let's see how he shakes it off this times.

What's funny is that the worst throws Purdy made weren't intercepted: there were 3 or four out routes that he uncharacteristically made very poor throws on, not even close. Of his interceptions the first was a good throw but bad decision. The other 3 were all tipped so we cannot really say if they were bad throws or decisions. Overall it was more about their defense causing interceptions than Purdy making bad throws.

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