The Brock Purdy Thread

[CrimsonCrew]

Obvious to all of us, but something I think a lot of casual fans forget about when considering "supporting casts." This is all the more glaring as the Niners have arguably the best OL in the game at one position, and the OL in general is markedly better in run-blocking than pass-blocking. I would be very curious to know where the Niners rank just in pass-blocking. Anyone have a PFF membership?

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https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/38356170/2023-nfl-pass-rush-run-stop-blocking-win-rate-rankings-top-players-teams?__s=xxxxxxx

Not exactly what you were looking for but it does provide some relevant data. Lots of other interesting numbers to digest in there as well.

49ers OL pass plock win rate is 20th and their Run block win rate is 23rd.

Surprising for that metric the pass protection is rates out better than the run blocking. Regardless it shows the the OL is a weak point of the team.

Some interesting numbers. Re: the run-pass discrepancy, teams are very tightly clumped in terms of run block win rate. There are seven teams at 70%, ranging from 25 to 18 in the ranking. 23 teams fall between 69% and 72%. Only three teams are higher than 72%m and all teams are between 67% and 77%. Meanwhile, pass-blocking success rates range from 77% to 43%. At 56%, the Niners are 11% off the leader despite Trent winning on 96% of his sets. Though the leader (KC) is 8% ahead of the next best (which, incidentally, is Green Bay).

[CrimsonCrew]

I'd imagine most folks have seen this by now. Former Raiders GM Amy Trask throwing shade at Brock:

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Pretty laughable opinion, but still more disrespect for the remarkable season Purdy has had. If you wanted to say that you'd take the AFC QB field over Purdy, fine. You could argue Stroud, but he's put together one of the best rookie seasons ever, and the other three are very arguably the three best in the game today.

But Purdy against the NFC field? Come on. Baker Mayfield is "terrific" and Purdy is "good"? She did walk that back a bit on 95.7 later in the day - but only by saying maybe Mayfield isn't terrific, not that Purdy is in the same class as the field. Mayfield can't hold Purdy's jock right now, as far as I'm concerned. Despite two elite WRs and a really good RB, he squeaked into the playoffs in the worst division in football. Sure, he whooped up on a bad Eagles team, but who hasn't over the second half of the year? And Mayfield doesn't even have much of a leg up in terms of physical ability. He hasn't shown nearly the vision, poise, anticipation, etc. that Purdy has two years in.

Goff has put together statistical seasons that are reminiscent of Purdy's, but never quite as good. In eight years, he's never had a passer rating or QBR as high as Purdy's in either of his two seasons. Goff's highest passer rating is 12 points shy of Purdy's in his second season, and Goff's highest QBR is nine points shy of Purdy's mark this year. Not to mention that Goff has an elite WR, TE, and great complementary RBs, to go along with one of the better OLs in the league (ranked second by PFF, and 4/5 are among the top players at their positions). Could you argue Goff is better? Sure. But they're clearly in the same ballpark.

Over the second half of the season, Love has been playing at a comparable level to Purdy, and he's been doing it with far less talent at the receiving positions. That said, he's had an elite RB over the past several weeks, and an OL that is clearly superior to Purdy's. We'll see if he can maintain that level of play, but if he can, given his superior physical tools, there's a solid argument he's the better player.

Regardless, acting like Purdy is in a markedly lower class than these guys is a joke.

[CharityStripe34]

Meh, I don't even bat an eye at all the Purdy chatter anymore. It's too hyperbolic and childish. Would be amusing to see his detractors' reaction if or when he's holding a SB MVP trophy in three weeks.

[CrimsonCrew]

It seems we keep returning to the same thing, but my view is there are several reasons why Purdy is basically dismissed - or at least reduced - by a lot of people in the national media.

First, draft position and physical tools. I think those two go together as there is a reason he fell so far in the draft. He's small. He has a relatively weak arm. He can't run the way Lamar or Kyler does. Of course, those aren't the most important parts about playing QB, but they aren't nothing, either.

Second, his supporting cast. He has elite players are every significant position. RB, two WRs, TE, and LT. Of course, the other four OL are below average (some well below average) pass blockers. That's something no one ever seems to factor in when considering his performance. I think it's fair to say at this point that he may very well have the worst all-around OL left in the playoffs. And then, what has he done with that supporting cast? Put together a 12-4 record and at least made a solid case for MVP, again, as compared to Baker Mayfield, who didn't perform on anything like the same level.

Third, the scheme. Shanahan has a reputation for making things easy for his QBs. And there's certainly some truth to that. But plenty of other guys haven't panned out in this offense, and Purdy has taken it to a whole new level this season.

Fourth, what Purdy excels at isn't really obvious to the casual viewer. His strengths are cerebral. He does all the little things. He sees the field remarkably well for such a young player. He knows what the defense is going to do. His anticipation is incredible, and he is generally extremely accurate. For those reasons, it looks like what he is doing is easy. His receivers appear wide open because he is throwing them open, and they can get ridiculous YAC because he hits them in stride in space. Sure, the players and the scheme help, but he makes it work with the intangibles.

Anyway, at the end of the day, it doesn't really matter what the pundits think. I'll take all the bulletin board material we can get. I want these guys, Purdy especially, fired up and ready to prove it to everyone. A SB trophy would shut an awful lot of people up.

[CrimsonCrew]

Man, I had not done a deep dive into Stroud. I know his receiving corps had some pretty significant injuries, but he also missed the game that Collins missed outright (granted Collins was injured early against the Jets). He hasn't been great over the tail end of the season. He threw three picks against the Cardinals, though also two TDs and the team still won. He had an awful game against Denver (17.9 QBR), then an even worse game against the Jets (8.1 QBR, again, without his best weapon). He was okay in a win against Tennessee, then quite good against Indy to clinch the division. And he had probably his best game against Cleveland last week, so all credit to him for that. But heading into that Colts game, he had only thrown six TDs in five games, with three INTs (granted all in one game).

[zman1]

I'd imagine most folks have seen this by now. Former Raiders GM Amy Trask throwing shade at Brock:

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Pretty laughable opinion, but still more disrespect for the remarkable season Purdy has had. If you wanted to say that you'd take the AFC QB field over Purdy, fine. You could argue Stroud, but he's put together one of the best rookie seasons ever, and the other three are very arguably the three best in the game today.

But Purdy against the NFC field? Come on. Baker Mayfield is "terrific" and Purdy is "good"? She did walk that back a bit on 95.7 later in the day - but only by saying maybe Mayfield isn't terrific, not that Purdy is in the same class as the field. Mayfield can't hold Purdy's jock right now, as far as I'm concerned. Despite two elite WRs and a really good RB, he squeaked into the playoffs in the worst division in football. Sure, he whooped up on a bad Eagles team, but who hasn't over the second half of the year? And Mayfield doesn't even have much of a leg up in terms of physical ability. He hasn't shown nearly the vision, poise, anticipation, etc. that Purdy has two years in.

Goff has put together statistical seasons that are reminiscent of Purdy's, but never quite as good. In eight years, he's never had a passer rating or QBR as high as Purdy's in either of his two seasons. Goff's highest passer rating is 12 points shy of Purdy's in his second season, and Goff's highest QBR is nine points shy of Purdy's mark this year. Not to mention that Goff has an elite WR, TE, and great complementary RBs, to go along with one of the better OLs in the league (ranked second by PFF, and 4/5 are among the top players at their positions). Could you argue Goff is better? Sure. But they're clearly in the same ballpark.

Over the second half of the season, Love has been playing at a comparable level to Purdy, and he's been doing it with far less talent at the receiving positions. That said, he's had an elite RB over the past several weeks, and an OL that is clearly superior to Purdy's. We'll see if he can maintain that level of play, but if he can, given his superior physical tools, there's a solid argument he's the better player.

Regardless, acting like Purdy is in a markedly lower class than these guys is a joke.

That says more about her than Purdy. And does that expose the raiders a bit and their ability to evaluate talent? Mayfield better than Purdy? Lmao.

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[Big J]

Mayfield would be doing the same damn thing as Purdy in this offense. They are actually pretty similar skillset wise. That's not a knock on Purdy, just a testament to the skill guys around him and Kyle's system. Kyle took freaking Jimmy G to within a play of winning the damn superbowl.

[CharityStripe34]

Brock Purdy is better than Mayfield. IMO. And with Detroit's O-line and weapons he'd be successful. It's easy to play the hypothetical game.

[Big J]

Brock Purdy is better than Mayfield. IMO. And with Detroit's O-line and weapons he'd be successful. It's easy to play the hypothetical game.

We don't know what Purdy would look like on either of those teams. He might be good in Detroit, but Goff has better height and a better arm than Purdy.

[CrimsonCrew]

Brock Purdy is better than Mayfield. IMO. And with Detroit's O-line and weapons he'd be successful. It's easy to play the hypothetical game.

We don't know what Purdy would look like on either of those teams. He might be good in Detroit, but Goff has better height and a better arm than Purdy.

So Mayfield would be doing the same thing in SF, but we can't possibly say what Purdy would be doing in Detroit? That's just the sort of argument I've come to expect from you. And look! You've even followed it up with "tall and strong arm = better" at the QB position. You're just killing it today.

[CrimsonCrew]

Mayfield would be doing the same damn thing as Purdy in this offense. They are actually pretty similar skillset wise. That's not a knock on Purdy, just a testament to the skill guys around him and Kyle's system. Kyle took freaking Jimmy G to within a play of winning the damn superbowl.

Purdy and Mayfield are physically similar, though Mayfield has a somewhat stronger arm. And if that's all that mattered at the QB position, then Mayfield would be better. And yet, he's not. It's almost as if there are other things that go into playing QB in the NFL....

[Big J]

Mayfield would be doing the same damn thing as Purdy in this offense. They are actually pretty similar skillset wise. That's not a knock on Purdy, just a testament to the skill guys around him and Kyle's system. Kyle took freaking Jimmy G to within a play of winning the damn superbowl.

Purdy and Mayfield are physically similar, though Mayfield has a somewhat stronger arm. And if that's all that mattered at the QB position, then Mayfield would be better. And yet, he's not. It's almost as if there are other things that go into playing QB in the NFL....

There are other things that go into it... like having the leagues best weapons and offensive coach.

[arich35]

Mayfield would be doing the same damn thing as Purdy in this offense. They are actually pretty similar skillset wise. That's not a knock on Purdy, just a testament to the skill guys around him and Kyle's system. Kyle took freaking Jimmy G to within a play of winning the damn superbowl.

Purdy and Mayfield are physically similar, though Mayfield has a somewhat stronger arm. And if that's all that mattered at the QB position, then Mayfield would be better. And yet, he's not. It's almost as if there are other things that go into playing QB in the NFL....

There are other things that go into it... like having the leagues best weapons and offensive coach.

Offensive line matter?

[Big J]

Purdy and Mayfield are physically similar, though Mayfield has a somewhat stronger arm. And if that's all that mattered at the QB position, then Mayfield would be better. And yet, he's not. It's almost as if there are other things that go into playing QB in the NFL....

There are other things that go into it... like having the leagues best weapons and offensive coach.

Offensive line matter?

Oh yea, we've all seen how Purdy looks without Trent.

[arich35]

There are other things that go into it... like having the leagues best weapons and offensive coach.

Offensive line matter?

Oh yea, we've all seen how Purdy looks without Trent.

Oh didn't know the offensive line was one guy. Not many QBs can play as well he has with how bad most of his OL is

[Big J]

Offensive line matter?

Oh yea, we've all seen how Purdy looks without Trent.

Oh didn't know the offensive line was one guy. Not many QBs can play as well he has with how bad most of his OL is

1 guy on the line actually matters a lot. Look at the record without Trent.

[Jikkle]

Purdy is going to have to figure out how he wants to deal with a wet ball. He can say it doesn't impact him all he wants but you don't try a glove and conveniently have two of your worst throwing days of the season when it rains.

He was spot on with a few of his throws so I gotta believe he can throw in the rain but he needs to figure out a system that works for him. Maybe some offseason homework for him to do is practice throwing wet balls and figuring out if you want a glove or not and just figuring out a better approach when it rains.

I'm no throwing expert but just feels like when you know it's going to rain you'd just want practice to be with a wet ball the entire time. Mainly for the QB but for the receivers and RB as well.

[zman1]

Purdy is going to have to figure out how he wants to deal with a wet ball. He can say it doesn't impact him all he wants but you don't try a glove and conveniently have two of your worst throwing days of the season when it rains.

He was spot on with a few of his throws so I gotta believe he can throw in the rain but he needs to figure out a system that works for him. Maybe some offseason homework for him to do is practice throwing wet balls and figuring out if you want a glove or not and just figuring out a better approach when it rains.

I'm no throwing expert but just feels like when you know it's going to rain you'd just want practice to be with a wet ball the entire time. Mainly for the QB but for the receivers and RB as well.

It was surprising to see him seemingly undecided about how to deal with it, glove or no glove. You would think he would have that down so hopefully he reads your post. We are so fortunate the rain let up in the second half.

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[Samurai]

Purdy is going to have to figure out how he wants to deal with a wet ball. He can say it doesn't impact him all he wants but you don't try a glove and conveniently have two of your worst throwing days of the season when it rains.

He was spot on with a few of his throws so I gotta believe he can throw in the rain but he needs to figure out a system that works for him. Maybe some offseason homework for him to do is practice throwing wet balls and figuring out if you want a glove or not and just figuring out a better approach when it rains.

I'm no throwing expert but just feels like when you know it's going to rain you'd just want practice to be with a wet ball the entire time. Mainly for the QB but for the receivers and RB as well.

It was surprising to see him seemingly undecided about how to deal with it, glove or no glove. You would think he would have that down so hopefully he reads your post. We are so fortunate the rain let up in the second half.

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Hopefully his off-season work will include having a QB/throwing coach work with him throwing wet footballs to help him figure out what works best for him. And while his overall accuracy was about as bad as we've seen from him so far (similar to the rainy loss in Cleveland), he did clear a hurdle that many have insisted was a weakness until he proves otherwise - can he lead the team to a come from behind victory against a playoff caliber team.

[Pattersonca65]

Mayfield would be doing the same damn thing as Purdy in this offense. They are actually pretty similar skillset wise. That's not a knock on Purdy, just a testament to the skill guys around him and Kyle's system. Kyle took freaking Jimmy G to within a play of winning the damn superbowl.

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