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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#81 » by CrimsonCrew » Thu Sep 19, 2024 7:07 pm

CrimsonCrew wrote:A few bigger picture thoughts about the direction of the team two games in. The team as a whole was bad this past weekend, though credit the Vikings for coming out and playing a great game.

Ultimately, I think Shanahan bears a lot of responsibility for this one. He's got a team full of stars, but the attention to detail isn't there, and that's something we've seen consistently throughout his tenure. He is a great high-level coach, but the further you zoom in, the messier it seems to get. As someone else noted, that's kind of strange in a control freak. Shanahan can be extremely detailed in terms of offensive play design, etc., but in other areas, he is too lax, and his team is too.

Extremely curiously, and something I didn't notice while watching the game, we only ran three play-action passes. That is bizarre. This is an offense that is predicated on the play-action pass. It helps our offense at every level by giving the defense more things to think about. Especially when we're missing a versatile weapon like CMC, I would have expected more play action rather than less. Facing a young defense this week, I think we need to go back to more of that. And we need to lean on runs up the middle.

Along those lines, Shanahan has been going to more of a drop-back game through the end of last season and into the early part of this season. I read that as a sign that he trusts Purdy in a way that he did not trust Garoppolo. However, his offensive scheme for the drop-back game is not nearly as effective as it is for play action. JT O'Suillivan frequently harps on this in his videos. It's not always the same thing. Sometimes - like in the SB - the blocking scheme up front doesn't seem to mesh with the play call. Sometimes the route concepts are muddled. Things like seven-stop drops have largely gone out of vogue in the NFL in favor of shotgun (why get the ball under center and drop back that far if we don't have the threat of a run?), but we still use them with some regularity. This is an area where Shanahan MUST improve.

There may also be an issue with audibling that we saw in this game. The Vikings seemed to catch on to our approach to calling audibles. If the D is in a single-high look, we audible to a pass. But what happened at times this week was after our audible, the defense would switch alignments. They were basically dictating our play call with their alignments, and then would switch. I love that Shanahan is letting Purdy audible, but we can't be so predictable in our adjustments.

We've got to clean some of this stuff up immediately. Even with CMC and Deebo out, we still have a lot of talent on offense. Any team would love to have Kittle as their TE. Even rusty, Aiyuk is still an above-average WR. Jennings would be the #2 on a lot of teams. Although Trent struggled a bit this week, the introduction of Puni appears to have solidified the OL to a degree (really want to upgrade Brendel, but it's not likely to happen this year). There's just no excuse for this offense to be struggling so much. Ultimately, I put that on Kyle.


Cohn on Shanahan's comments about the reduced rate of play action, with some of his thoughts.

https://www.si.com/nfl/49ers/news/why-the-49ers-are-throwing-so-few-play-action-passes-this-season-01j85hpyw7t4

Got to be honest, I tend to agree with Cohn on this one. Is Shanahan letting defenses dictate to him too much? Is he getting a little predictable? I don't have a huge problem going with more drop-back passing with Purdy as opposed to Garoppolo, but if we're going to do that, Shanahan really has to raise his game. Multiple people have noted that it's not an area of strength for this team.
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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#82 » by CrimsonCrew » Thu Sep 19, 2024 7:09 pm

And related, Jay Gruden on Shanahan's pure pass plays:

"I'm just not a big fan of his true pass concepts when he's down," Gruden said recently on the 3 and Out Podcast with John Middlekauf. "I just don't understand a lot of them. That's something you have to continue to work on in OTAs, training camp and all that stuff. You have to prepare to be down. It's a lot easier to call plays when you're ahead by 14 points on first and second down. Not many coaches have had a lot of success calling plays (when they're) down and having to come back. It's very difficult when you're a one-dimensional team. I'm not saying I had a lot of success (in those situations). From a pass-game standpoint, when I study teams, that would be one of the last teams I would look at as far as pass concepts go in known passing situations. I'd look elsewhere."

This is one of the things that JT O'Sullivan really harps on in his Purdy videos. The play action is cutting edge. The drop back stuff is not very good. Shanahan has to improve it.
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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#83 » by Harry Palmer » Thu Sep 19, 2024 8:50 pm

Word is Kittle and Ward might be out this week too.
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Post#84 » by CrimsonCrew » Thu Sep 19, 2024 8:54 pm

Harry Palmer wrote:Word is Kittle and Ward might be out this week too.


Oh you must be joking. Jesus. Good news re: Ward is that the Rams are down to scrubs at receiver. But so were the Vikings. And Stafford is a legitimate good QB. If his OL can give him time he will definitely carve us up. Ugh.

Can we bring back Logan Thomas?
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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#85 » by Harry Palmer » Thu Sep 19, 2024 10:46 pm

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Harry Palmer wrote:Word is Kittle and Ward might be out this week too.


Oh you must be joking. Jesus. Good news re: Ward is that the Rams are down to scrubs at receiver. But so were the Vikings. And Stafford is a legitimate good QB. If his OL can give him time he will definitely carve us up. Ugh.

Can we bring back Logan Thomas?



Starting to feel like one of those seasons. Early yet, but injury situations don’t tent to improve as you play more games, so…

Also reminding me that part of my irrational fan makeup is a kind of weird unspoken belief that if I worry about things they will be less likely to happen. I only ever realize this when my fears start to become realized and a part of me feels betrayed, like ‘hey, this can’t be happening because I worried about it so much!’

Only applies to sports for the most part. At least I hope so.
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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#86 » by CrimsonCrew » Thu Sep 19, 2024 11:02 pm

Should be getting Hufanga back soon, Greenlaw at some point. Those guys could be impact players. That's to say nothing of getting CMC back for a playoff run. But we've got to actually make the playoffs, first.

We could also get Pearsall, Kalia Davis, and Feliciano back at some point. Not expecting huge things from them, though I think there's got to be a conversation about putting Feliciano at center over Brendel at this point. And Davis will hopefully shore up the run defense a bit. Pearsall contributing at this point would be gravy, but it would be great if he can.
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Post#87 » by CrimsonCrew » Thu Sep 19, 2024 11:04 pm

Bosa limited, too, with a rib injury.
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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#88 » by Harry Palmer » Fri Sep 20, 2024 1:54 am

I think we’ll have more All Pros out than most teams have.
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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#89 » by CrimsonCrew » Fri Sep 20, 2024 7:10 pm

Harry Palmer wrote:I think we’ll have more All Pros out than most teams have.


And yet, we'll still probably have more all pros playing than most teams. At a minimum, we should have Trent, Warner, Aiyuk, and maybe Hufanga. Oh, and Juszczyk.
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Post#90 » by CrimsonCrew » Fri Sep 20, 2024 9:31 pm

Kittle is doubtful. FML. Added Aiyuk to my daily fantasy roster.

Will be a good test for Purdy. OL isn't great, but it's intact. He's still got good players at WR and RB.
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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#91 » by Pattersonca65 » Fri Sep 20, 2024 9:54 pm

CrimsonCrew wrote:Kittle is doubtful. FML. Added Aiyuk to my daily fantasy roster.

Will be a good test for Purdy. OL isn't great, but it's intact. He's still got good players at WR and RB.

Hopefully the oline pass blocks a little better this week
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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#92 » by CrimsonCrew » Fri Sep 20, 2024 10:22 pm

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CrimsonCrew wrote:Kittle is doubtful. FML. Added Aiyuk to my daily fantasy roster.

Will be a good test for Purdy. OL isn't great, but it's intact. He's still got good players at WR and RB.

Hopefully the oline pass blocks a little better this week


Yes. The Rams' defense should be more predictable. Purdy needs to be more decisive, too. There was a lot of pressure last week, but he had time to make more throws than he did.
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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#93 » by wco81 » Sat Sep 21, 2024 6:04 pm

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Jikkle wrote:Didn't see it anywhere here but according to Rapoport the feeling is that CMC will need at least 6 weeks to recover.

Guess the good news as I've seen some different thoughts on it but his risk to rupture the Achillies is low and one doctor who commented on it is the risk is only like 4% to 10% greater. I think a lot of people confused tendonitis with tendinosis where I think the latter is the one where it's only a matter of time where it pops. Tendonitis can become tendinosis but I'm sure the kind of medical treatment CMC is getting they'll make sure it doesn't progress to that level.



Shefter agreed with Rapp and went more into it. He said Friday’s practice was the worst CMC’s Achilles has felt. That was after weeks of rest. He said the kind of calf/Achilles that gets worse resting is unlikely to get better with more rest, and intimated this is likely to end with either surgery or playing, popping, surgery.


McCaffrey wasn't resting. He was practicing. No one really knows what is going on with CMC, but several doctors have said what they're hearing suggests he is not at particularly significant risk for an Achilles tear. Let's hope that's true.


That sounds similar to the situation with the Warriors and KD a few years ago. They rested him for 1-2 months, came back and tore his Achilles after about 10 minutes.
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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#94 » by CrimsonCrew » Sat Sep 21, 2024 9:45 pm

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CrimsonCrew wrote:
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Shefter agreed with Rapp and went more into it. He said Friday’s practice was the worst CMC’s Achilles has felt. That was after weeks of rest. He said the kind of calf/Achilles that gets worse resting is unlikely to get better with more rest, and intimated this is likely to end with either surgery or playing, popping, surgery.


McCaffrey wasn't resting. He was practicing. No one really knows what is going on with CMC, but several doctors have said what they're hearing suggests he is not at particularly significant risk for an Achilles tear. Let's hope that's true.


That sounds similar to the situation with the Warriors and KD a few years ago. They rested him for 1-2 months, came back and tore his Achilles after about 10 minutes.


That was my concern, and it's possible it is that. But several doctors weighed in and said that the more likely condition only slightly raised the risk of an Achilles tear.
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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#95 » by Big J » Mon Sep 23, 2024 12:46 am

Bill Simmons was right about this being the season of hell for us. Everything is going wrong. Super Bowl loss makes every man for himself.
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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#96 » by Jikkle » Mon Sep 23, 2024 1:08 am

With this team the main concern for me is the defense.

They'll be fine on offense especially as they get healthier and healthier but as it stands now with the defense it's hard to see them making a serious run at a Super Bowl.

The concerning thing to me is that the issues that plagued the defense last season still plague them this season if not worse.

And what frustrates me to no end and what probably annoys me most about the team overall is we frequently have offenses exactly where we want them with 3rd and 7+ but we frequently allow them to convert and what should be a low percentage conversion.

If the defense could only fix that it would still have some issues but it would be leagues better than what it is now.
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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#97 » by Big J » Mon Sep 23, 2024 1:12 am

Jikkle wrote:With this team the main concern for me is the defense.

They'll be fine on offense especially as they get healthier and healthier but as it stands now with the defense it's hard to see them making a serious run at a Super Bowl.

The concerning thing to me is that the issues that plagued the defense last season still plague them this season if not worse.

And what frustrates me to no end and what probably annoys me most about the team overall is we frequently have offenses exactly where we want them with 3rd and 7+ but we frequently allow them to convert and what should be a low percentage conversion.

If the defense could only fix that it would still have some issues but it would be leagues better than what it is now.


What's even more infuriating about this is how good Hawks D looks. Just adds salt to the wound.
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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#98 » by arich35 » Mon Sep 23, 2024 1:28 am

Big J wrote:
Jikkle wrote:With this team the main concern for me is the defense.

They'll be fine on offense especially as they get healthier and healthier but as it stands now with the defense it's hard to see them making a serious run at a Super Bowl.

The concerning thing to me is that the issues that plagued the defense last season still plague them this season if not worse.

And what frustrates me to no end and what probably annoys me most about the team overall is we frequently have offenses exactly where we want them with 3rd and 7+ but we frequently allow them to convert and what should be a low percentage conversion.

If the defense could only fix that it would still have some issues but it would be leagues better than what it is now.


What's even more infuriating about this is how good Hawks D looks. Just adds salt to the wound.


Broncos, Pats, Miami (with a **** QB). Still waiting for them to play someone good
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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#99 » by Big J » Mon Sep 23, 2024 1:31 am

arich35 wrote:
Big J wrote:
Jikkle wrote:With this team the main concern for me is the defense.

They'll be fine on offense especially as they get healthier and healthier but as it stands now with the defense it's hard to see them making a serious run at a Super Bowl.

The concerning thing to me is that the issues that plagued the defense last season still plague them this season if not worse.

And what frustrates me to no end and what probably annoys me most about the team overall is we frequently have offenses exactly where we want them with 3rd and 7+ but we frequently allow them to convert and what should be a low percentage conversion.

If the defense could only fix that it would still have some issues but it would be leagues better than what it is now.


What's even more infuriating about this is how good Hawks D looks. Just adds salt to the wound.


Broncos, Pats, Miami (with a **** QB). Still waiting for them to play someone good


Look at who we've played. Jets, Vikings with Darnold, and Rams with no receivers.
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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#100 » by thesack12 » Mon Sep 23, 2024 1:31 am

Jikkle wrote:With this team the main concern for me is the defense.

They'll be fine on offense especially as they get healthier and healthier but as it stands now with the defense it's hard to see them making a serious run at a Super Bowl.

The concerning thing to me is that the issues that plagued the defense last season still plague them this season if not worse.

And what frustrates me to no end and what probably annoys me most about the team overall is we frequently have offenses exactly where we want them with 3rd and 7+ but we frequently allow them to convert and what should be a low percentage conversion.

If the defense could only fix that it would still have some issues but it would be leagues better than what it is now.


Yup, I shared similar thoughts in the game thread reflecting on Sorenson.

After thinking about it a bit more, one of the more frustrating things about the defense struggles is they aren't really playing aggressive and taking any risks. They are running safe schemes and calling safe plays, and are routinely just getting cleanly outplayed and outschemed.

Its not like they are running a blitz heavy scheme, playing a bunch of cover zero, putting 8 in the box to sell out against the run, or anything along those lines. Any of those would make the defense vulnerable to get beaten.

No, they are running a lot of soft zones while routinely only rushing 4. Its almost like they game plan around running prevent style fronts regardless of who the opponent is, or what the clock and score board says.

I don't know, but it sure does seem like Sorenson doesn't have any answers for the long standing defensive issues.

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