49ers regular season game notes

CrimsonCrew · Post #881 » by **CrimsonCrew** » Mon Sep 30, 2019 6:24 pm

I don't usually post articles to drum up conversation or personally rebut its argument, but I'm doing it here.

https://ninerswire.usatoday.com/2019/09/29/pre-bye-week-grades-for-49ers-2019-rookies/?utm_source=49ersWebZone&utm_medium=dt&utm_campaign=affref

I'll just post Madson's grades and then give my thoughts (I'm not actually going to give a grade). Admission: it's really an opportunity for me to complain about his Wishnowsky grade, which is absurd.

Bosa: A-
My take: reasonable enough. Bosa has been a beast so far, he's just got to improve at finishing. He could have three our four sacks to date if he just got the QB down consistently.

Samuel: B+
This might be a touch high for me. Samuel has done some really good things, particularly for a rookie in a complex offense. At his best, he's everything we hoped he would be: physical, aggressive, strong, pretty sharp route-runner. But he's also made some pretty significant mistakes and turned the ball over in tough situations.

Hurd: INC
I guess. When you add a guy with injury history and he gets injured, I'm not sure we're in "incomplete" territory. I think we're in lower grade territory. Though I guess that would be grading the FO on the pick rather than grading the player on their contributions.

Wishnowsky: A
I'm sorry, what? An A for Wishnowsky? Now, I will allow that it's been a small sample size, and he's had a couple very good kicks. But he's also had some bad ones. Oddly, this article seems to be attributing the lack of punting to him somehow. As for the numbers, Wishnowsky is 24th in average and 16th in net. His long punt ranks 30th. That's despite five of seven punts coming from the Niners' side of the field. He's only forced one fair catch.

Now, he has put three of seven punts inside the 20, including one coffin corner that was executed just about perfectly as memory serves. So far, he also has not allowed any return yards (the reason for his average and net differential is his one touchback), so it's not nearly as bad as those numbers might indicate, but short kicks with no return are worse than long kicks with short returns. He also basically shanked the ball the one time we have needed him to bail us out and flip field position. His touchback came on a kick from the opponent's 48 which wasn't particularly close as I recall.

Greenlaw: C+
This seems low, and caught me particularly off guard after the grade on Wishnowsky. I will concede that I haven't really studied Greenlaw, but he's a fifth-round pick who is starting and hasn't stood out for being a problem. That's got to be worth a B- by itself. PFF rates him at a 68.5, which is pretty good. They have Warner at 61.1 and Alexander at 75.5. Granted I'm not sure how much I trust their grading for LBs.

Skule: B-
I really have no opinion at this point. He held up alright in his first game, but he was getting help and Pittsburgh inexplicably didn't put Watt on him. Dupree isn't much of a pass rusher.

ChrisPozz · Post #882 » by **ChrisPozz** » Mon Sep 30, 2019 9:28 pm

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High upside? NFL player agent words right there. Ok, ok. I was INCREDIBLY firmly against Tabor's chances of being anything close to a productive player coming out of school so maybe that's why I had that reaction.

If you force me to find a reason why he might think that I'd go with the idea that SOME might feel that adding a former 2nd-round pick to your practice squad would qualify as "high-upside." I just disagree with Tabor being "high-upside" here.

Ryan Pope was released from the PS to sign him.

ChrisPozz · Post #883 » by **ChrisPozz** » Mon Sep 30, 2019 9:53 pm

ChrisPozz wrote:

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High upside? NFL player agent words right there. Ok, ok. I was INCREDIBLY firmly against Tabor's chances of being anything close to a productive player coming out of school so maybe that's why I had that reaction.

If you force me to find a reason why he might think that I'd go with the idea that SOME might feel that adding a former 2nd-round pick to your practice squad would qualify as "high-upside." I just disagree with Tabor being "high-upside" here.

Ryan Pope was released from the PS to sign him.

Read on Twitter

The other guys they brought in that they could still sign: Dontae Johnson, David Amerson, Coty Sensabaugh, and Saivion Smith.

I'd only consider Saivion Smith and David Amerson from that list if you forced me to pick. And I wouldn't be happy about it. But that's FA CB for you a month into the season.

ChrisPozz · Post #884 » by **ChrisPozz** » Tue Oct 1, 2019 3:27 pm

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Right now it's scheduled to be Steelers @ Chargers.

Eagles @ Vikings, Texans @ Chiefs, Saints @ Jaguars, and Seahawks @ Browns are also compelling candidates if they aren't ones that are blocked from flexing.

Besides, I think the shine comes off the 49ers/Rams game after this week anyway.

Bald Bull · Post #885 » by **Bald Bull** » Tue Oct 1, 2019 10:01 pm

Meeks visited with 49ers. I remember some wanting us to draft him here.
https://www.sfchronicle.com/49ers/article/Stanford-CB-Meeks-hopes-to-follow-Sherman-to-49ers-12845946.php?utm_campaign=CMS%20Sharing%20Tools%20(Premium)&utm_source=t.co&utm_medium=referral

ChrisPozz · Post #886 » by **ChrisPozz** » Wed Oct 2, 2019 4:00 am

Why 49ers’ Arik Armstead is off to the best start of his career

https://www.sfchronicle.com/49ers/article/Why-49ers-Arik-Armstead-is-off-to-the-best-14484323.php?utm_campaign=CMS%20Sharing%20Tools%20(Premium)

NinerSickness · Post #887 » by **NinerSickness** » Wed Oct 2, 2019 4:58 am

ChrisPozz wrote:Why 49ers’ Arik Armstead is off to the best start of his career

https://www.sfchronicle.com/49ers/article/Why-49ers-Arik-Armstead-is-off-to-the-best-14484323.php?utm_campaign=CMS%20Sharing%20Tools%20(Premium)

1. Steroids

2. $$$

arich35 · Post #888 » by **arich35** » Wed Oct 2, 2019 2:38 pm

NinerSickness wrote:
ChrisPozz wrote:Why 49ers’ Arik Armstead is off to the best start of his career

https://www.sfchronicle.com/49ers/article/Why-49ers-Arik-Armstead-is-off-to-the-best-14484323.php?utm_campaign=CMS%20Sharing%20Tools%20(Premium)

1. Steroids

2. $$$

Do you like anyone on this team?

ChrisPozz · Post #889 » by **ChrisPozz** » Wed Oct 2, 2019 2:49 pm

Parallels between 49ers' CB Moseley and Tarell Brown

https://www.fourthandnine.com/single-post/2019/10/01/Parallels-between-49ers-CB-Moseley-and-Tarell-Brown

ChrisPozz · Post #890 » by **ChrisPozz** » Wed Oct 2, 2019 5:42 pm

PFF 2019 First-Quarter NFL All-Pro Team

https://www.pff.com/news/pro-pff-2019-first-quarter-nfl-all-pro-team

George Kittle
Honorable mention: Mark Nzeocha on STs

In terms of Cleveland as an opponent this week, LG Joel Bitonio (mostly as a run blocker) made it.

ChrisPozz · Post #891 » by **ChrisPozz** » Wed Oct 2, 2019 5:45 pm

NFL Rookie Rankings: Josh Jacobs tops the list, Kyler Murray isn't on it

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27742828/nfl-rookie-rankings-josh-jacobs-tops-list-kyler-murray-it

A few of these kill me.

ChrisPozz · Post #892 » by **ChrisPozz** » Wed Oct 2, 2019 7:29 pm

ChrisPozz wrote:NFL Rookie Rankings: Josh Jacobs tops the list, Kyler Murray isn't on it

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27742828/nfl-rookie-rankings-josh-jacobs-tops-list-kyler-murray-it

A few of these kill me.

NFL rookie rankings

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001061158/article/nfl-rookie-rankings-gardner-minshew-on-top-at-quarter-mark

ChrisPozz · Post #893 » by **ChrisPozz** » Wed Oct 2, 2019 7:54 pm

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NinerSickness · Post #894 » by **NinerSickness** » Wed Oct 2, 2019 11:52 pm

arich35 wrote:Do you like anyone on this team?

I'm being realistic. A hot poop sandwich like Armstead doesn't all-of-a-sudden turn into a really good DE without some juice. I'm guessing 75% of the league is on something.

And it's not exactly an edgy opinion to say players try harder in contract years.

arich35 · Post #895 » by **arich35** » Thu Oct 3, 2019 3:35 am

NinerSickness wrote:
arich35 wrote:Do you like anyone on this team?

I'm being realistic. A hot poop sandwich like Armstead doesn't all-of-a-sudden turn into a really good DE without some juice. I'm guessing 75% of the league is on something.

And it's not exactly an edgy opinion to say players try harder in contract years.

But I am curious you actually view as a good player on this team?

NinerSickness · Post #896 » by **NinerSickness** » Thu Oct 3, 2019 5:03 am

arich35 wrote:
NinerSickness wrote:
arich35 wrote:Do you like anyone on this team?

I'm being realistic. A hot poop sandwich like Armstead doesn't all-of-a-sudden turn into a really good DE without some juice. I'm guessing 75% of the league is on something.

And it's not exactly an edgy opinion to say players try harder in contract years.

But I am curious you actually view as a good player on this team?

Who's good? Lots of players on the team are good. Especially on defense. Almost every starter on defense is good.

Jimmy has the potential to be good, but I'm starting to doubt him. I hope it's just ACL rust. He misses way too many easy passes.

ChrisPozz · Post #897 » by **ChrisPozz** » Thu Oct 3, 2019 2:33 pm

NinerSickness wrote:
arich35 wrote:
NinerSickness wrote:
I'm being realistic. A hot poop sandwich like Armstead doesn't all-of-a-sudden turn into a really good DE without some juice. I'm guessing 75% of the league is on something.

And it's not exactly an edgy opinion to say players try harder in contract years.

But I am curious you actually view as a good player on this team?

Who's good? Lots of players on the team are good. Especially on defense. Almost every starter on defense is good.

Jimmy has the potential to be good, but I'm starting to doubt him. I hope it's just ACL rust. He misses way too many easy passes.

And for the life of me I can't figure out what he sees sometimes. Contributes to a scary low floor.

At the same time I probably misjudged his ability to fit it into some crazy small windows sometimes, but when his vision tied to his decision making works against him, it's SO incredibly bad.

CrimsonCrew · Post #898 » by **CrimsonCrew** » Thu Oct 3, 2019 4:48 pm

NinerSickness wrote:
arich35 wrote:Do you like anyone on this team?

I'm being realistic. A hot poop sandwich like Armstead doesn't all-of-a-sudden turn into a really good DE without some juice. I'm guessing 75% of the league is on something.

And it's not exactly an edgy opinion to say players try harder in contract years.

Armstead has had some good stretches, he's just struggled to stay healthy and has been moved to different positions. I'm not saying he was worth the 17th pick (or whichever it was; can't recall and too lazy to look), but he has played well previously. He's also a guy who came in pretty raw, so a jump in effectiveness wouldn't be a huge shock. Combine that with the edge rushers who are drawing more defensive attention, and it has allowed him to show up more in the stat books.

On this board, we had talked about the fourth guy (beside Ford, Bosa, and Buckner) really having an opportunity to excel. There had been some talk of that being Thomas, but Armstead is the guy who has capitalized on it so far. I don't see any reason to believe it's connected to steroids.

CrimsonCrew · Post #899 » by **CrimsonCrew** » Thu Oct 3, 2019 4:52 pm

ChrisPozz wrote:
NinerSickness wrote:
arich35 wrote:
But I am curious you actually view as a good player on this team?

Who's good? Lots of players on the team are good. Especially on defense. Almost every starter on defense is good.

Jimmy has the potential to be good, but I'm starting to doubt him. I hope it's just ACL rust. He misses way too many easy passes.

And for the life of me I can't figure out what he sees sometimes. Contributes to a scary low floor.

At the same time I probably misjudged his ability to fit it into some crazy small windows sometimes, but when his vision tied to his decision making works against him, it's SO incredibly bad.

Yes, Garoppolo throws some really scary balls sometimes. But he's going to be making his 14th start this week. He hasn't even had a full season as a starting NFL QB. I've got to believe that that's connected to his vision, at least to an extent. I expect this to improve as he plays more and as he receives more coaching. And at the end of the day, he can pull off incredible plays even when it looks like a terrible decision when he lets go of the ball. I don't love that style of play; in today's NFL, you can get by and even excel making much easier throws. But he can pull it off more often than not.

I think the jury is still out on Garoppolo, but the last game was definitely a step in the right direction IMO, and I question the eye of anyone who disagrees.

ChrisPozz · Post #900 » by **ChrisPozz** » Thu Oct 3, 2019 6:55 pm

49ers place Jalen Hurd and Jason Verrett on injured reserve, plan to re-sign Jordan Matthews

https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/128850-jalen-headed-injured-reserve-re-sign-jordan-matthews-report/

Well, that combines for a really crappy day (not counting Matthews as I actually wanted him to be on the team week 1).

Hurd is one of my favorite players on the team. Liked him better than Deebo (who is also on my post-Shanahan keep players list). So is Verrett but that one doesn't hurt quite as bad because it was kind of expected.

And Dontae Johnson - oy! I don't even want to go there again.