Re: The Trey Lance thread
Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2023 8:36 pm
Funny how everyone here is trashing him now that he's no longer on the team.
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CrimsonCrew wrote:I've said repeatedly that I don't want to come off as all Trey Lance hate. I adamantly disagreed with his handling and the trade. But when we talk about needing more reps, needing experience, etc., we also have to consider that he wasn't doing the things he could have done and needed to do. Not knocking the guy when I say he wasn't doing those things. I can't explain why it wasn't clicking for him. He's supposed to be an incredibly hard worker, film junky (unlike Kaepernick, who was a very hard worker, but maybe more in the weight room than the film room), etc. And if you did an examination of his second preseason game, I'm sure it looked somewhat better - though it started out pretty rough.
But to not recognize a vanilla, zone cover-two in your third year in the league and know where to look for the opening? That's really bad. And Trey Lance deserves to be criticized for that, IMO. He looked as bad as I've seen a guy look in that first preseason game. And that's the opposite of what he needed to show the coaching staff.
Big J wrote:CrimsonCrew wrote:I've said repeatedly that I don't want to come off as all Trey Lance hate. I adamantly disagreed with his handling and the trade. But when we talk about needing more reps, needing experience, etc., we also have to consider that he wasn't doing the things he could have done and needed to do. Not knocking the guy when I say he wasn't doing those things. I can't explain why it wasn't clicking for him. He's supposed to be an incredibly hard worker, film junky (unlike Kaepernick, who was a very hard worker, but maybe more in the weight room than the film room), etc. And if you did an examination of his second preseason game, I'm sure it looked somewhat better - though it started out pretty rough.
But to not recognize a vanilla, zone cover-two in your third year in the league and know where to look for the opening? That's really bad. And Trey Lance deserves to be criticized for that, IMO. He looked as bad as I've seen a guy look in that first preseason game. And that's the opposite of what he needed to show the coaching staff.
I mean, I could get behind this idea if he'd been given a longer leash and regular season games to learn all of this like Alex Smith did. No matter how many times you watch something on film it's completely different when you are doing it in regular season games that count.
Big J wrote:I think the issue was that he felt like he had to be perfect on every single play. That kind of pressure isn’t good for a young guy because it makes them feel like they can’t breathe. They play tight and it makes everything they do look bad. Guys with longer leashes typically play better because they are more relaxed and playing naturally.
CrimsonCrew wrote:Big J wrote:I think the issue was that he felt like he had to be perfect on every single play. That kind of pressure isn’t good for a young guy because it makes them feel like they can’t breathe. They play tight and it makes everything they do look bad. Guys with longer leashes typically play better because they are more relaxed and playing naturally.
That's fair, but it's also a pretty big inference/assumption. And whatever the reason, his recognition did not appear to be anywhere near where it needed to be.
Big J wrote:CrimsonCrew wrote:Big J wrote:I think the issue was that he felt like he had to be perfect on every single play. That kind of pressure isn’t good for a young guy because it makes them feel like they can’t breathe. They play tight and it makes everything they do look bad. Guys with longer leashes typically play better because they are more relaxed and playing naturally.
That's fair, but it's also a pretty big inference/assumption. And whatever the reason, his recognition did not appear to be anywhere near where it needed to be.
Recognition can be impacted by playing scared **** less. Which I think was the case with him due to the pressure & lack of reps he'd gotten.
CrimsonCrew wrote:Big J wrote:CrimsonCrew wrote:
That's fair, but it's also a pretty big inference/assumption. And whatever the reason, his recognition did not appear to be anywhere near where it needed to be.
Recognition can be impacted by playing scared **** less. Which I think was the case with him due to the pressure & lack of reps he'd gotten.
Dude, come on. Compare how you talk about Purdy to how you talk about Lance. He's a big boy. He's been watching film. He's been playing in the offseason against a good defense. It's the preseason against mostly reserves. There was pressure, but it was coming off a four-man rush. It was nothing close to what Purdy was facing this past Thursday. Lance had time to make quick decisions and throws, and he froze up. Does that mean he's done in the league? No. But the lack of awareness of what the defense was doing is extremely alarming, and is probably a bigger part of why he's no longer on the team than his less-than-stellar accuracy.
CrimsonCrew wrote:Big J wrote:CrimsonCrew wrote:
That's fair, but it's also a pretty big inference/assumption. And whatever the reason, his recognition did not appear to be anywhere near where it needed to be.
Recognition can be impacted by playing scared **** less. Which I think was the case with him due to the pressure & lack of reps he'd gotten.
Dude, come on. Compare how you talk about Purdy to how you talk about Lance. He's a big boy. He's been watching film. He's been playing in the offseason against a good defense. It's the preseason against mostly reserves. There was pressure, but it was coming off a four-man rush. It was nothing close to what Purdy was facing this past Thursday. Lance had time to make quick decisions and throws, and he froze up. Does that mean he's done in the league? No. But the lack of awareness of what the defense was doing is extremely alarming, and is probably a bigger part of why he's no longer on the team than his less-than-stellar accuracy.
Big J wrote:CrimsonCrew wrote:Big J wrote:
Recognition can be impacted by playing scared **** less. Which I think was the case with him due to the pressure & lack of reps he'd gotten.
Dude, come on. Compare how you talk about Purdy to how you talk about Lance. He's a big boy. He's been watching film. He's been playing in the offseason against a good defense. It's the preseason against mostly reserves. There was pressure, but it was coming off a four-man rush. It was nothing close to what Purdy was facing this past Thursday. Lance had time to make quick decisions and throws, and he froze up. Does that mean he's done in the league? No. But the lack of awareness of what the defense was doing is extremely alarming, and is probably a bigger part of why he's no longer on the team than his less-than-stellar accuracy.
Purdy came in with 4 years of college and zero expectations on him. He's faced little to no criticism since he's been on the team. It was a completely different situation than what Lance was up against.
CrimsonCrew wrote:Big J wrote:CrimsonCrew wrote:
Dude, come on. Compare how you talk about Purdy to how you talk about Lance. He's a big boy. He's been watching film. He's been playing in the offseason against a good defense. It's the preseason against mostly reserves. There was pressure, but it was coming off a four-man rush. It was nothing close to what Purdy was facing this past Thursday. Lance had time to make quick decisions and throws, and he froze up. Does that mean he's done in the league? No. But the lack of awareness of what the defense was doing is extremely alarming, and is probably a bigger part of why he's no longer on the team than his less-than-stellar accuracy.
Purdy came in with 4 years of college and zero expectations on him. He's faced little to no criticism since he's been on the team. It was a completely different situation than what Lance was up against.
If he can't handle expectations, then he really was an awful, awful pick. Purdy faces huge expectations this year, and he certainly isn't buckling. He hasn't face much criticism because he's been remarkably good.
And we're not talking about showing a few flaws. We're talking about him having no idea where the ball should go on an easy pre-snap read.
Big J wrote:CrimsonCrew wrote:Big J wrote:
Recognition can be impacted by playing scared **** less. Which I think was the case with him due to the pressure & lack of reps he'd gotten.
Dude, come on. Compare how you talk about Purdy to how you talk about Lance. He's a big boy. He's been watching film. He's been playing in the offseason against a good defense. It's the preseason against mostly reserves. There was pressure, but it was coming off a four-man rush. It was nothing close to what Purdy was facing this past Thursday. Lance had time to make quick decisions and throws, and he froze up. Does that mean he's done in the league? No. But the lack of awareness of what the defense was doing is extremely alarming, and is probably a bigger part of why he's no longer on the team than his less-than-stellar accuracy.
Purdy came in with 4 years of college and zero expectations on him. He's faced little to no criticism since he's been on the team. It was a completely different situation than what Lance was up against.
Big J wrote:CrimsonCrew wrote:Big J wrote:
Purdy came in with 4 years of college and zero expectations on him. He's faced little to no criticism since he's been on the team. It was a completely different situation than what Lance was up against.
If he can't handle expectations, then he really was an awful, awful pick. Purdy faces huge expectations this year, and he certainly isn't buckling. He hasn't face much criticism because he's been remarkably good.
And we're not talking about showing a few flaws. We're talking about him having no idea where the ball should go on an easy pre-snap read.
Purdy doesn’t face huge expectations though. He’s not being asked to win games for his team. He’s just being asked to follow the game plan and not turn the ball over. If he plays bad then nobody is blaming it on him. They will be blaming Kyle.
Big J wrote:CrimsonCrew wrote:Big J wrote:
Purdy came in with 4 years of college and zero expectations on him. He's faced little to no criticism since he's been on the team. It was a completely different situation than what Lance was up against.
If he can't handle expectations, then he really was an awful, awful pick. Purdy faces huge expectations this year, and he certainly isn't buckling. He hasn't face much criticism because he's been remarkably good.
And we're not talking about showing a few flaws. We're talking about him having no idea where the ball should go on an easy pre-snap read.
Purdy doesn’t face huge expectations though. He’s not being asked to win games for his team. He’s just being asked to follow the game plan and not turn the ball over. If he plays bad then nobody is blaming it on him. They will be blaming Kyle.
CrimsonCrew wrote:Big J wrote:CrimsonCrew wrote:
If he can't handle expectations, then he really was an awful, awful pick. Purdy faces huge expectations this year, and he certainly isn't buckling. He hasn't face much criticism because he's been remarkably good.
And we're not talking about showing a few flaws. We're talking about him having no idea where the ball should go on an easy pre-snap read.
Purdy doesn’t face huge expectations though. He’s not being asked to win games for his team. He’s just being asked to follow the game plan and not turn the ball over. If he plays bad then nobody is blaming it on him. They will be blaming Kyle.
Purdy is the QB for a super bowl favorite. His team kicked the #3 overall pick in the draft - a player who cost the team three first round picks and a fourth - to the curb for him. He faces big expectations. He just happens to be meeting them.
And if Purdy isn't facing big expectations, why was Lance? Was more being asked of him last year than to follow the game plan and not turn the ball over?
And for that matter, the game plan seems to have become a fair bit more aggressive with Purdy under center than it did with Garoppolo or Lance in there.
Big J wrote:CrimsonCrew wrote:Big J wrote:
Purdy doesn’t face huge expectations though. He’s not being asked to win games for his team. He’s just being asked to follow the game plan and not turn the ball over. If he plays bad then nobody is blaming it on him. They will be blaming Kyle.
Purdy is the QB for a super bowl favorite. His team kicked the #3 overall pick in the draft - a player who cost the team three first round picks and a fourth - to the curb for him. He faces big expectations. He just happens to be meeting them.
And if Purdy isn't facing big expectations, why was Lance? Was more being asked of him last year than to follow the game plan and not turn the ball over?
And for that matter, the game plan seems to have become a fair bit more aggressive with Purdy under center than it did with Garoppolo or Lance in there.
Lance was facing huge expectations this year, not last year. Last year he only played 5 quarters before he got hurt. This year he had tons of pressure on him to play perfect on every single play. He got zero slack. Purdy is playing well, but he's not really being asked to do what a lot of the top level QB's are asked to do.
CrimsonCrew wrote:Big J wrote:CrimsonCrew wrote:
Purdy is the QB for a super bowl favorite. His team kicked the #3 overall pick in the draft - a player who cost the team three first round picks and a fourth - to the curb for him. He faces big expectations. He just happens to be meeting them.
And if Purdy isn't facing big expectations, why was Lance? Was more being asked of him last year than to follow the game plan and not turn the ball over?
And for that matter, the game plan seems to have become a fair bit more aggressive with Purdy under center than it did with Garoppolo or Lance in there.
Lance was facing huge expectations this year, not last year. Last year he only played 5 quarters before he got hurt. This year he had tons of pressure on him to play perfect on every single play. He got zero slack. Purdy is playing well, but he's not really being asked to do what a lot of the top level QB's are asked to do.
What expectations was Lance facing this year? He was, at best, the #2 QB unless Purdy suffered a setback.
Big J wrote:CrimsonCrew wrote:Big J wrote:
Lance was facing huge expectations this year, not last year. Last year he only played 5 quarters before he got hurt. This year he had tons of pressure on him to play perfect on every single play. He got zero slack. Purdy is playing well, but he's not really being asked to do what a lot of the top level QB's are asked to do.
What expectations was Lance facing this year? He was, at best, the #2 QB unless Purdy suffered a setback.
He was getting criticized left & right. People calling him a bust, ect. In practice he wasn't getting reps, and every play in preseason was getting over analyzed. With his draft position he was expected to be the guy who put the team over the top and could do things that Jimmy couldn't and win the team a ring. Since he hadn't had a chance to play the pressure had just built up to an unreasonable level.