2017-18 CFB SEASON / '18 NFL DRAFT

[I_am_1z]

Picture this:

Lamar Jackson in a Steelers uniform...

[Ray_Dogg]

Picture this:

Lamar Jackson in a Steelers uniform...

Josh Dobbs would give you a raised eyebrow but he ain’t got one.

[ChrisPozz]

My point was that you're already nitpicking. When ESPN builds up a player they love to nitpick them for every decision. More recently we've seen it with LeBron and O'Dell ; in the past we've seen it with Iverson and Moss. Saquon's inner circle is about to seem bigger. He's going to have more people in his ear telling him all he wants to hear. He might get bigheaded in the process. I'm almost sure he'll get ripped for not being perfect, unless you have some evidence into ROC Nation not looking out for the interests of their clients, why even question it if a clean nosed kid like Barkely signs with them?

Big differences between myself and ESPN in my opinion. If you see otherwise, point them out.

Saquon expanding his network of people is unavoidable. That's what happens to every single NFL prospect that steps foot into the NFL world for even the smallest amount of time.

Given what I have seen from Saquon, I'm not suggesting he's definitely going to get "big-headed." I don't know how many times I have had to say this? It was the first thing I probably ever said about Saquon on this board, in fact.

He will get ripped for various things. So will every other player that gets drafted this year. Sure, where he gets drafted, and who he gets drafted to, he might get ripped more than others. Not worried about that.

On ROC Nation. I have said repeatedly I don't love some of the things their athletes get attached to extracurricular wise (certain public events, different music scenes, scheduled photo ops, unnecessary radio hits) when they have committed to ROC Nation. And yes, I'm fully aware, likely more than anybody else commenting here probably quite frankly, that every player will do public events, will be on different music scenes, will do scheduled photo ops, will do radio hits, but with ROC Nation their stable of athletes have consistently done them with certain people and in different ways that draws unnecessary attention that I don't necessarily love on an extra-curricular level.

One last time. I am not saying Saquon will fall so far into that that it will derail his career. I'm not saying I'm going to knock him for going to every single event, for showing up to every single music scenes, for doing every single scheduled photo op, and for doing every single radio hit. Not the case. To repeat for the millionth time I'm saying Saquon is likely more equipped to spot the dangers of the things I'm talking about and to deal with them in a mature way better than most athletes that will come out this year. At least I think so based on what I've been able to gather on Saquon the person. However, I will repeat as well that being tied to ROC Nation I personally will LIKELY not love a lot of the agency stuff he'll likely be asked, or afforded, to do, because again to me a lot of their stuff is unnecessary and doesn't mesh with things I particularly like to see in the athletes I have an interest in and I am of the belief that there are better agencies for athletes who handle that stuff with their players better than ROC Nation has so far in their short time as an agency.

I just don't see eye to eye with you on this. Unless you have evidence of ROC Nation being some evil corporation that's known for making fools out of their clients, then where is your sneaking suspicion coming from? Isn't Jay Zs net worth over 200million dollars? Why is it bad to have his corporation handle his business? It just sounds like nitpicking

I must really be failing at getting my message across. This time, and for the final time, I won't get so long winded and I'll repeat part of what I said before in regards to what you're still not getting from me.

On ROC Nation. I have said repeatedly I don't love some of the things their athletes get attached to extracurricular wise (certain public events, different music scenes, scheduled photo ops, unnecessary radio hits) when they have committed to ROC Nation. And yes, I'm fully aware, likely more than anybody else commenting here probably quite frankly, that every player will do public events, will be on different music scenes, will do scheduled photo ops, will do radio hits, but with ROC Nation their stable of athletes have consistently done them with certain people and in different ways that draws unnecessary attention that I don't necessarily love on an extra-curricular level.

I don't believe that a large group of people think they are making fools out of their clients. At least not people in the sports world. Sure, a lot of business types who see some of these public events, some of the different music events, some of the photo ops, and hear some of the radio hits don't love it either for various reasons. But with business types they probably don't like a lot of the stuff that comes out of being attached to MOST of these agencies. That's where I disagree with some of the business types.

I'm not saying they are universally thought of as evil. I just am stating again for the millionth time that I don't love their messaging in any one of those categories IN COMPARISON to some other agencies. It's not my favorite thing to see. It's my preference. There are a whole lot of people that would disagree with me, and that's fine. I'm usually in the minority these days when talking about the types of things these kids attach themselves to.

I don't care if Jay Z and everybody at his company are worth $1.00 or $100 billion dollars. That has nothing to do with my argument. I'm not arguing their success. I'm not saying they won't make Barkley and others in his stable lots and lots of money for a long, long time. I'm just saying, and I have said repeatedly, that I don't love some of the things their athletes get attached to once they sign with them. ROC Nation isn't the only agency that does this and they aren't the only ones I've been disappointed in from a preference standpoint.

I don't know any other way I can continue to address this. Hopefully that made sense one last time.

[NinerSickness]

Picture this:

Lamar Jackson in a Steelers uniform...

[NinerSickness]

Calvin Ridley is getting a lot of differing opinions this offseason. I think he's gonna be a great one. WRs named Calvin typically do well in the NFL.

[Dloading99]

I'ma Kepp it 100 with yall. Shout out to Dobs thanks Brotha.


Here we go.

Money is Money for players in the draft. why don't we draft the best athlete in the draft Lamar Jackson and play him at Recevier. I think he's a franchise receiver. look at what he can do in the open field him with Goropollo I think we have a great tandem here.

it's not a Randle El or Smith thing the dude at Ohio State. I look at his ability and I draft him.

Here's my rundown. and what do yall think about that?

1. Lamar Jackson

2. Calvin Ridley

3. Minkah Fitzpatrick

4. Quinenton Nelson

well get one of those guys so I think we'll do good. Baker Mayfield is going to get in the top 10 and with Josh Allen and Jackson we'll get great players.

Chubb will be off the board to.


but if you told me we would have a chance at one of those players and like a Cameron Smith I would laugh at you. guys would talk about Cameron Smith after his freshman year and say he was draft ready and now we can get him and pair him with Foster our defense is going to look great.



Second round look at Ronald Jones. I also like the Tight end from Oklahoma.

[NinerSickness]

. Why don't we draft the best athlete in the draft Lamar Jackson and play him at Recevier. I think he's a franchise receiver. look at what he can do in the open field him with Goropollo I think we have a great tandem here.

You don't draft a project in the top 10. The Great athletes at WR are not rare; we have no idea if he can be a great receiver.

Gotta go w/ Nelson, Barkley or trade down IMO.

[Bingo_AlphaMan]

Calvin Ridley is getting a lot of differing opinions this offseason. I think he's gonna be a great one. WRs named Calvin typically do well in the NFL.

Calvin Rid is like 36 years old. I still like him though, but not better than Kirk.

[Bingo_AlphaMan]

Very talented receiver:

Auden Tate - WR - Seminoles

Florida State junior WR Auden Tate announced his decision to enter the 2018 NFL Draft.

Tate was one of the few bright spots on a disappointing season for the Seminoles, hauling in ten touchdowns for Florida State despite their anemic passing game. The 6-foot-5, 218-pound wideout is an obvious red-zone target, but analysts have questions about his speed, so his pro day will be critical to his draft status. Still, with his frame, he's certainly going to be appealing to teams early on Day 2, and he could sneak into first-round discussion in a draft class that isn't loaded with quality wideouts.
Source: Tomahawk Nation

Jan 6 - 4:24 PM

[Bingo_AlphaMan]

Tarvarus McFadden - DB - Seminoles

Florida state junior CB Tavarus McFadden announced his intent to forgo his senior season and enter the 2018 NFL Draft.

McFadden made the announcement on his Twitter account, which is becoming a common practice. The junior cornerback is coming off a season where he intercepted no passes, but did have 10 passes defensed, and he showed ball-hawk ability when he intercepted eight passes as a sophomore. He has elite corner size (6'2/205) so if he tests well, he has a chance to enter first-round conversation again, but his stock did drop drastically with a disappointing 2017 campaign.
Source: Tarvarus McFadden on Twitter

Jan 6 - 4:19 PM

[NinerSickness]

Calvin Ridley is getting a lot of differing opinions this offseason. I think he's gonna be a great one. WRs named Calvin typically do well in the NFL.

Calvin Rid is like 36 years old. I still like him though, but not better than Kirk.

He's a WR, not a RB. Not worried about him being 23. He'll be 28 when his rookie contract is up; that's still his prime.

[wco81]

Is Auden Tate related to Golden Tate?

Would be weird if he was. He's tall and may not be fast, which are the opposite of Golden Tate's traits.

[Bingo_AlphaMan]

Calvin Ridley - WR - Crimson Tide

Pro Football Focus's Steve Palazzolo believes that Alabama junior WR Calvin Ridley's best potential NFL fits are the Packers, Bears and 49ers.

Ridley (6'1/188) has been the top option in the Alabama offense this year, and is considered by most analysts to be one of the best wideout prospects in the draft class, with many believing he's the top if he chooses to enter. "The Packers could certainly use his speed to add another weapon for QB Aaron Rodgers, while the Bears are in need of any kind of playmaker out wide," Palazzolo writes. "Keep an eye on the 49ers as well, who have capable role players in the passing game, but they lack a true No. 1 receiver on the outside." Ridley should make a decision as to whether he'll enter the draft sometime after the National Championship Game against Georgia on Monday.
Source: Pro Football Focus

Jan 6 - 6:19 PM

[wco81]

Presumably Ridley was a top recruit?

But is he getting a chance to run the whole route tree at Alabama? Hurts doesn't seem like an NFL QB so he may not be able to show his full potential at Alabama.

[ChrisPozz]

Presumably Ridley was a top recruit?

But is he getting a chance to run the whole route tree at Alabama? Hurts doesn't seem like an NFL QB so he may not be able to show his full potential at Alabama.

He was Rivals' top WR, 4th best recruit in Florida, and the 9th best recruit nationally.

[Ray_Dogg]

Route tree isn’t a problem for Ridley. He is a route running talent. Precision in and out. His problem was a lack of volume being in that offense and with the QBs they trot out.

I like him but he just isn’t what I want added to our offense at this point in time.

I want a bigger WR that plays big and wins big. Goes up and gets it even if he’s covered.

We have speed and surprising well route running with Goodwin. We have possession chain moving with Garçon.
We got the quick slot guy that gets painted with the ball as soon as he breaks open.

Give me the big boy now please.

[wco81]

At least on paper, Ridley sounds more like another Amari Cooper than Julio Jones, two other highly-touted WRs out of Alabama.

He'll have to show more toughness and consistency than Cooper, that's for sure.

But it doesn't sound like there's a 6-4 or 6-5 beast with 4.4 or faster speed in this year's draft.

They may have to look at TE for a red zone beast.

Anyone know what was the most frequently-used formation or personnel packages by the 49ers this year? I heard that the Rams mostly used 11 personnel. They didn't necessarily have 3 WRs putting up massive numbers either. Woods and Kupp did okay, around 60 catches each, 5 TDs each. Watkins only had 39 receptions but 8 TDs. Gurley was around 60 catches and 5 TDs too.

Or was playing 11 personnel 80% of the time mostly about getting defenses to play nickel for Gurley to run against?

[Ray_Dogg]

At least on paper, Ridley sounds more like another Amari Cooper than Julio Jones, two other highly-touted WRs out of Alabama.

He'll have to show more toughness and consistency than Cooper, that's for sure.

But it doesn't sound like there's a 6-4 or 6-5 beast with 4.4 or faster speed in this year's draft.

They may have to look at TE for a red zone beast.

Anyone know what was the most frequently-used formation or personnel packages by the 49ers this year? I heard that the Rams mostly used 11 personnel. They didn't necessarily have 3 WRs putting up massive numbers either. Woods and Kupp did okay, around 60 catches each, 5 TDs each. Watkins only had 39 receptions but 8 TDs. Gurley was around 60 catches and 5 TDs too.

Or was playing 11 personnel 80% of the time mostly about getting defenses to play nickel for Gurley to run against?

Sutton and Scott might fit that criteria. We will see when they run.

If we don’t sign a free agent WR then I get more interested in WR in the draft and I would maneuver down from our spot to get additional picks so we can afford to use one high on a WR and a RB. If a later first and a second round pick can be added in a move down then pull the trigger. We have two thirds we can use on oline. Sign Ansah and a CB. Draft a WR and a RB high. Game over.

[ChrisPozz]

At least on paper, Ridley sounds more like another Amari Cooper than Julio Jones, two other highly-touted WRs out of Alabama.

He'll have to show more toughness and consistency than Cooper, that's for sure.

But it doesn't sound like there's a 6-4 or 6-5 beast with 4.4 or faster speed in this year's draft.

They may have to look at TE for a red zone beast.

Anyone know what was the most frequently-used formation or personnel packages by the 49ers this year? I heard that the Rams mostly used 11 personnel. They didn't necessarily have 3 WRs putting up massive numbers either. Woods and Kupp did okay, around 60 catches each, 5 TDs each. Watkins only had 39 receptions but 8 TDs. Gurley was around 60 catches and 5 TDs too.

Or was playing 11 personnel 80% of the time mostly about getting defenses to play nickel for Gurley to run against?

Dallas Goedert. Dallas Goedert. Dallas Goedert. 1 monster solved.

Then do your best to sign Tyler Eifert and hope you don't tick off Garrett Celek, who is a very good #2 TE in my opinion and it's downright stealing to have him as your 3rd TE. Kick the rest of the TEs to the curb. Yes, I know Kittle isn't going anywhere (ugh!).

Saying it again. Offseason goal: Add monster size. Add monster size. Add monster size.

[Ray_Dogg]

At least on paper, Ridley sounds more like another Amari Cooper than Julio Jones, two other highly-touted WRs out of Alabama.

He'll have to show more toughness and consistency than Cooper, that's for sure.

But it doesn't sound like there's a 6-4 or 6-5 beast with 4.4 or faster speed in this year's draft.

They may have to look at TE for a red zone beast.

Anyone know what was the most frequently-used formation or personnel packages by the 49ers this year? I heard that the Rams mostly used 11 personnel. They didn't necessarily have 3 WRs putting up massive numbers either. Woods and Kupp did okay, around 60 catches each, 5 TDs each. Watkins only had 39 receptions but 8 TDs. Gurley was around 60 catches and 5 TDs too.

Or was playing 11 personnel 80% of the time mostly about getting defenses to play nickel for Gurley to run against?

Dallas Goedert. Dallas Goedert. Dallas Goedert. 1 monster solved.

Then do your best to sign Tyler Eifert and hope you don't tick off Garrett Celek, who is a very good #2 TE in my opinion and it's downright stealing to have him as your 3rd TE. Kick the rest of the TEs to the curb. Yes, I know Kittle isn't going anywhere (ugh!).

Saying it again. Offseason goal: Add monster size. Add monster size. Add monster size.

Where would you draft Goedert?