2014 Official Offseason Thread

[GS Warriors 1]

This will be used to discuss 49er cuts, trades, and free agent signings...I guess we can even open this one up for major moves around the league as well.

Free Agents:

WR Anquan Boldin
K Phil Dawson
CB Tarrell Brown
S Donte Whitner
C Jonathan Goodwin
WR Mario Manningham
WR/ST Kassim Osgood
RB/ST Anthony Dixon
CB Eric Wright
QB Colt McCoy
CB Perrish Cox(RFA)
DL/TE Demarcus Dobbs(RFA)
ILB Michael Wilhoite(ERFA)

Potential Salary Cap Cuts:

RB Frank Gore($6.45M cap savings)
CB Carlos Rogers($5.1M cap savings, $6.5M if cut after June 1)
WR Jonathan Baldwin($1.4M cap savings)

49ers stand anywhere between $5M-$7.5M of salary cap space according to current projections between 126.5-129M.

[RIPskaterdude]

Gore isn't going anywhere. We'll bring back Dawson and Boldin, hopefully Osgood too. Crossing my fingers that Brown will be back, especially if Rogers is cut, but see ya Whitner...

[dr3am]

I would love for Boldin, Dawson, Eric Wright & Whitner aka. Hitner to all come back next season. I definitely don't see Manningham, Baldwin & hopefully Carlos Rodgers back here next season

SN: even though he's been pretty injury prone is there a way that the Niners can go after Aqib Talib? i suck at math and i don't really pay attention to player salaries, cap space, etc. when it comes to sports

[thesack12]

Talib will be way too expensive to be a realistic option. Altough, Talib is definitely the superior player I think Frisco would prefer to resign Brown over Talib anyways...

Boldin is obviously the #1 priority. But I do think he comes back. Never know, though.
Dawson is an obvious no-brainer guy to keep. Had a truly stellar season
Brown is obviously a priority, but it remains to be seen if they can. Somebody is gonna offer to pay him
Would be nice to have Whitner back, but that is looking unlikely.
Rogers is gone. Maybe he wants to return on an extremely team friendly deal after being cut, but I doubt it
Would like to extend Anthony Dixon if he's cheap enough.
Wilhoite will be back, especially with Bowman's injury.
The rest of those guys are non-issues IMO. All are replaceable. I think they may bring Mccoy back on a 1 year deal, though.

As for Osgood, the special teams as a whole, yes it needs work. Thats been a common theme for several years running. Yeah, Osgood is a quality special teamer but IMO the team needs to go a different route. Osgood offers no value other than to special teams. Roster space is far too valuable to have special teams only guys (other then the kicker and punter). IMO Anthony Dixon is a much better core special teamer to prioritize. He can be a useful goal line/short yardage back, play some fullback, and take some snaps at halfback. Dixon has immense more value than a guy like Osgood, and its arguable he is just as good, if not better, on special teams. I think Frisco needs to target guys that can double over contributing on special teams and either offense or defene, especially with their mid to late draft picks.

[gswhoops]

I would love for Boldin, Dawson, Eric Wright & Whitner aka. Hitner to all come back next season. I definitely don't see Manningham, Baldwin & hopefully Carlos Rodgers back here next season

SN: even though he's been pretty injury prone is there a way that the Niners can go after Aqib Talib? i suck at math and i don't really pay attention to player salaries, cap space, etc. when it comes to sports

Even if we were capable of bringing a guy like Talib in, I don't think we would. It's not really the current FO's style to make big splashy moves in free agency. Seems like they prefer to wait the market out and bargain shop once most of the big cap space teams have spent their cash.

Boldin is obviously the #1 priority. But I do think he comes back. Never know, though.
Dawson is an obvious no-brainer guy to keep. Had a truly stellar season
Brown is obviously a priority, but it remains to be seen if they can. Somebody is gonna offer to pay him
Would be nice to have Whitner back, but that is looking unlikely.
Rogers is gone. Maybe he wants to return on an extremely team friendly deal after being cut, but I doubt it
Would like to extend Anthony Dixon if he's cheap enough.
Wilhoite will be back, especially with Bowman's injury.
The rest of those guys are non-issues IMO. All are replaceable. I think they may bring Mccoy back on a 1 year deal, though.

I think this is pretty accurate. Keeping Boldin will be a major priority, and I think we'll get it done unless someone throws stupid money at him.

I think Whitner is also probably gone. The market for safeties is pretty thin this year and someone is likely to offer him more than we'd be comfortable paying, unless Donte is willing to come back on a very team-friendly deal.

My gut says we end up keeping Brown though. The market for cornerbacks this offseason is loaded, and most of those guys are bigger names/more attention grabbing than Brown. Verner, Talib, DRC, Sam Shields, Vontae Davis, Brent Grimes, Tillman, Walter Thurmond are all hitting the FA market this offseason and are better (or at least better known) than Brown, who is pretty much the definition of silently good.

[WarFan]

I totally agree about Brown staying. I really doubt he gets a big payday anywhere and probably comes back on a short deal for about 4 million. As for the rest, resign Dawson around 2.5, keep Boldin at a number under 5, knock 2-3 million off of Gores salary and resign Wilhoite, Cox and maybe McCoy at minimum deals.

[gswhoops]

I totally agree about Brown staying. I really doubt he gets a big payday anywhere and probably comes back on a short deal for about 4 million. As for the rest, resign Dawson around 2.5, keep Boldin at a number under 5, knock 2-3 million off of Gores salary and resign Wilhoite, Cox and maybe McCoy at minimum deals.

Exactly. I think Brown will try the market but not find the long term deal he's looking for and end up back with us on a 1-2 year deal at around $5M APY.

Even if we only get him to sign a one year deal, it buys us time to find/develop his replacement.

[GS Warriors 1]

I think a team out there would pay him over 4M APY, not sure the 49ers can afford to bring him back for that much on a 1-year deal. It would almost have to be a 3 or 4 year deal to spread out the cap. Boldin and Dawson seem like a priority and maybe a cheap guy like Osgood is going to be brought back but the rest seem to be pushing it. They'll want as much cap rollover into next year as possible.

Skaterdude, agree on Gore, just putting it out there as a possibility. He does seem like a guy who would be willing to take a paycut to stay on this team.

[thesack12]

I think at least one team, perhaps more, will offer Brown a sizable contract. Other teams like to poach players from the top defensive and offensive units of the league. Oakland has a godawful secondary and is flush with cap space, so it wouldn't surprise me at all if they offered up Tarrell a sizable deal to move across the bay.

Also, it seems as though brown may still feel raw about losing that $2 mil workout bonus earlier this season. Obviously, the fault falls squarely on he and his agent's shoulders for that fiasco, but I get the feeling that in Tarell's eyes the team could have still payed him. Thats not how the world works, but I can definitely see him feeling that way. I did read a report today that said that they paid him an extra $300k at the end of the season as a "goodwill" gesture. So perhaps the team got that sense as well. Either way, it seems as though the team still has him in their long term plans, it just remains to be seen how situation transpires.

As for Gore, I could be mistaken, but I think he doesn't have any more guaranteed money owed to him. If thats the case, he doesn't have much leverage if hes asked to take a cut. He certainly isnt going to get anything over 4 mil on the open market, and probably would command quite a bit less than that. RB just isnt valued highly anymore, and Frank's best days are clearly behind him. In any event, I do expect Frank back. He sure seems to be a team first guy.

[WarFan]

As for Gore, I could be mistaken, but I think he doesn't have any more guaranteed money owed to him. If thats the case, he doesn't have much leverage if hes asked to take a cut. He certainly isnt going to get anything over 4 mil on the open market, and probably would command quite a bit less than that. RB just isnt valued highly anymore, and Frank's best days are clearly behind him. In any event, I do expect Frank back. He sure seems to be a team first guy.

Yeah, he has no guaranteed money left. I figure his ceiling on the open market is the 3/12 with 4m guaranteed that Steven Jackson got last year. Considering he's a year older and unlikely to find a better situation to get a ring, I think he resigns for less.

[thesack12]

As for Gore, I could be mistaken, but I think he doesn't have any more guaranteed money owed to him. If thats the case, he doesn't have much leverage if hes asked to take a cut. He certainly isnt going to get anything over 4 mil on the open market, and probably would command quite a bit less than that. RB just isnt valued highly anymore, and Frank's best days are clearly behind him. In any event, I do expect Frank back. He sure seems to be a team first guy.

Yeah, he has no guaranteed money left. I figure his ceiling on the open market is the 3/12 with 4m guaranteed that Steven Jackson got last year. Considering he's a year older and unlikely to find a better situation to get a ring, I think he resigns for less.

With no guaranteed $ left, its all but a certainty the team approaches Gore about a pay cut.

IMO what SJax got would the absolute pie in the sky type ceiling for Frank. In other words, I don't see it happening. SJax is arguably the better player, and he's definitely more versatile and dynamic. Also, there aren't any legitimate contenders with clear issues at RB like there was last offseason (Atlanta, Green Bay). Really only New Orleans, and Denver might be looking for some RB help. However, they very well might be content with their own in house guys. Frank doesn't fit what those teams do anyways.

The teams looking for RB (Browns, Titans, Jags, Oakland, Rams) will target guys like Ben Tate, DMc, Moreno, and Chris Johnson (after he's cut, but obviously not Tennesee) and/or pick up an RB in the draft.

Giants and Cardinals, are the only 2 teams I could envision making a play for Frank if he made it to the open market. More so the Giants due to Wilson's neck issue and Brown being a FA. Zona could make a run at him, but Arians loves Mendenhall and Ellington had a very good rookie year.

IMO, the top of Frank's market would be in the neighborhood of 2 years/5 mil with only the first year guaranteed. I would expect the team to offer him something very similar to that. They could probably get him cheaper after all would be said and done, but I would think they would want to make him feel somewhat appreciated and get the situation put to bed without cutting him and going through the process.

At the end of the day, Frank and his camp likely knows the situation as well. Its also pretty clear he enjoys being a 9er and wants a ring, so its probably in his best interest to stay.

[WarFan]

Detroit just released Louis Delmas. If Whitner walks, he'd be a nice fill-in starter for a year or two while a rookie learns. I'm thinking 2-3 mil a year for 2 years max.

[WarFan]

As for Gore, I could be mistaken, but I think he doesn't have any more guaranteed money owed to him. If thats the case, he doesn't have much leverage if hes asked to take a cut. He certainly isnt going to get anything over 4 mil on the open market, and probably would command quite a bit less than that. RB just isnt valued highly anymore, and Frank's best days are clearly behind him. In any event, I do expect Frank back. He sure seems to be a team first guy.

Yeah, he has no guaranteed money left. I figure his ceiling on the open market is the 3/12 with 4m guaranteed that Steven Jackson got last year. Considering he's a year older and unlikely to find a better situation to get a ring, I think he resigns for less.

With no guaranteed $ left, its all but a certainty the team approaches Gore about a pay cut.

IMO what SJax got would the absolute pie in the sky type ceiling for Frank. In other words, I don't see it happening. SJax is arguably the better player, and he's definitely more versatile and dynamic. Also, there aren't any legitimate contenders with clear issues at RB like there was last offseason (Atlanta, Green Bay). Really only New Orleans, and Denver might be looking for some RB help. However, they very well might be content with their own in house guys. Frank doesn't fit what those teams do anyways.

The teams looking for RB (Browns, Titans, Jags, Oakland, Rams) will target guys like Ben Tate, DMc, Moreno, and Chris Johnson (after he's cut, but obviously not Tennesee) and/or pick up an RB in the draft.

Giants and Cardinals, are the only 2 teams I could envision making a play for Frank if he made it to the open market. More so the Giants due to Wilson's neck issue and Brown being a FA. Zona could make a run at him, but Arians loves Mendenhall and Ellington had a very good rookie year.

IMO, the top of Frank's market would be in the neighborhood of 2 years/5 mil with only the first year guaranteed. I would expect the team to offer him something very similar to that. They could probably get him cheaper after all would be said and done, but I would think they would want to make him feel somewhat appreciated and get the situation put to bed without cutting him and going through the process.

At the end of the day, Frank and his camp likely knows the situation as well. Its also pretty clear he enjoys being a 9er and wants a ring, so its probably in his best interest to stay.

I realize that the popularity/marketing draw of individual players is much lower in the NFL compared to baseball or basketball, but it's still worth something wrt Gore and the 49ers. To the general fan, that'd be a huge loss, so I think he still has some leverage here. I think 6-7 over two with the second year unguaranteed is closer. But maybe Gore doesn't even care about maxing the cash, just wants a ring.

[gswhoops]

I don't see Gore's resigning being an issue, or really contentious at all. Niners will make him a fair offer, probably a slight (but very slight, maybe ~$500k a year) overpay, and he'll sign.

[GS Warriors 1]

Reportedly, preliminary talks have taken place with Boldin and Bruce Miller. Miller is a scheduled FA after 2014.

[GS Warriors 1]

Schefter and Rapoport reporting that the 49ers are close to agreement on a deal with Anquan Boldin.

With the salary cap rising a bit higher than expected, I think the 49ers felt they could give him a deal close to what he made last year.

[gswhoops]

This rising cap is going to help us in a lot of ways.

It may allow us to bring back Boldin and Whitner, which would be huge for us. May also allow us to start paying off the inevitable Kap/Aldon extensions sooner rather than later, which will save us money down the road.

[GS Warriors 1]

C/G Daniel Kilgore signed a 3-year extension today, putting him under contract through 2017 and making him the presumed front runner to start at C this season.

Some talk out there that Bruce Miller and Kendall Hunter are the next 2 from the '11 draft class to get extended. There is no doubt Miller has more value here than he would in other places and it's going to depend on how much Hunter wants, if he wants a bit more, then RB is something the team probably looks into in the 2015 draft. It doesn't surprise me at all, you have to figure that the "big 2"(Kaepernick and Smith) are going to be more trickier negotiations than the others.

[gswhoops]

Miller I get. Hunter is interesting. He's definitely shown flashes but it's been inconsistent. Maybe the FO thinks they can lock him up to an under-market deal before he hits the big time?

[Blkbrd671]

Per Wiretap


Jim Harb. act is running thin with players!!!?????????????



i was under the impression Harbaugh was a player coach ? anyone have a idea of whats really going on in the locker room?