2014 Rookies Thread

NinerSickness · Post #1 » by **NinerSickness** » Sun Sep 14, 2014 9:56 pm

Only 2 games in, but so far:

Sammy Watkins looks legit.

Brandin Cooks is looking good. Had a really sweet-looking run today & a few grabs.

Mike Evans hasn't done much yet.

Ryan Shazier looks like a really good one.

Zack Martin looks like the real thing for Dallas.

Hoping to add Jimmy Ward's name to the list of "looks legit" players soon.

NinerSickness · Post #2 » by **NinerSickness** » Sun Sep 14, 2014 10:31 pm

Clinton-Dix not looking great in coverage.

Bingo_AlphaMan · Post #3 » by **Bingo_AlphaMan** » Mon Sep 15, 2014 1:47 am

Bingo_AlphaMan · Post #4 » by **Bingo_AlphaMan** » Mon Sep 15, 2014 1:48 am

clyde21 · Post #5 » by **clyde21** » Mon Sep 15, 2014 2:43 am

Brandin Cooks like good but let's keep things in perspective - Drew Brees and that offense also have something to do with that. If he was on, say, the Raiders, he wouldn't have half the production.

Bingo_AlphaMan · Post #6 » by **Bingo_AlphaMan** » Mon Sep 15, 2014 3:52 am

clyde21 wrote:Brandin Cooks like good but let's keep things in perspective - Drew Brees and that offense also have something to do with that. If he was on, say, the Raiders, he wouldn't have half the production.

And if we were to place Watkins in the Saints offense he would have been nearly unstoppable IMO.

NinerSickness · Post #7 » by **NinerSickness** » Mon Sep 15, 2014 5:02 am

clyde21 wrote:Brandin Cooks like good but let's keep things in perspective - Drew Brees and that offense also have something to do with that. If he was on, say, the Raiders, he wouldn't have half the production.

If he were on the Raiders, he'd be the #1 receiver; so I think he' might have more production.

Cooks is in the perfect offense for him, but he's also perfect for that offense.

clyde21 · Post #8 » by **clyde21** » Mon Sep 15, 2014 6:06 am

NinerSickness wrote:
clyde21 wrote:Brandin Cooks like good but let's keep things in perspective - Drew Brees and that offense also have something to do with that. If he was on, say, the Raiders, he wouldn't have half the production.

If he were on the Raiders, he'd be the #1 receiver; so I think he' might have more production.

Cooks is in the perfect offense for him, but he's also perfect for that offense.

Really? Drew Brees will throw more yards to his #4 option than Carr will throw to his #1. Stop.

And Brandin Cooks will never be a #1 type. He's not in that mold, no matter how dynamic or explosive he is.

NinerSickness · Post #9 » by **NinerSickness** » Mon Sep 15, 2014 6:16 am

clyde21 wrote:
NinerSickness wrote:
clyde21 wrote:Brandin Cooks like good but let's keep things in perspective - Drew Brees and that offense also have something to do with that. If he was on, say, the Raiders, he wouldn't have half the production.

If he were on the Raiders, he'd be the #1 receiver; so I think he' might have more production.

Cooks is in the perfect offense for him, but he's also perfect for that offense.

Really? Drew Brees will throw more yards to his #4 option than Carr will throw to his #1. Stop.

And Brandin Cooks will never be a #1 type. He's not in that mold, no matter how dynamic or explosive he is.

You stop. Rod Streeter: 888 yards. Kenny Stills (Brees' 3rd option): 641 yards. And that was when they had a TE playing QB in Oakland.

And Desean Jackson isn't in the mold of a #1 WR either. But guess what: he's been the #1 WR on his team every single year he's been in the league (even in 2012 when Maclin out-gained him because DJax missed 5 games)

clyde21 · Post #10 » by **clyde21** » Mon Sep 15, 2014 6:17 am

NinerSickness wrote:
clyde21 wrote:
NinerSickness wrote:
If he were on the Raiders, he'd be the #1 receiver; so I think he' might have more production.

Cooks is in the perfect offense for him, but he's also perfect for that offense.

Really? Drew Brees will throw more yards to his #4 option than Carr will throw to his #1. Stop.

And Brandin Cooks will never be a #1 type. He's not in that mold, no matter how dynamic or explosive he is.

You stop. Rod Streeter: 888 yards. Kenny Stills (Brees' 3rd option): 641 yards. And that was when they had a TE playing QB in Oakland.

And Desean Jackson isn't in the mold of a #1 WR either. But guess what: he's been the #1 WR on his team almost every year of his career. Or has it actually been ever year?

Lol, Carr has already thrown for 888 yards to Streeter? Nice.

And just because DeSean Jackson is his teams #1 receiver, doesn't mean he's a #1 receiver. The Eagles didn't have a problem letting him go in FA. I doubt that's the case if he really was a #1 receiver.

I like Cooks, but you're trying to hard to pimp your boy. Relax.

NinerSickness · Post #11 » by **NinerSickness** » Mon Sep 15, 2014 6:25 am

clyde21 wrote:
NinerSickness wrote:
clyde21 wrote:
Really? Drew Brees will throw more yards to his #4 option than Carr will throw to his #1. Stop.

And Brandin Cooks will never be a #1 type. He's not in that mold, no matter how dynamic or explosive he is.

You stop. Rod Streeter: 888 yards. Kenny Stills (Brees' 3rd option): 641 yards. And that was when they had a TE playing QB in Oakland.

And Desean Jackson isn't in the mold of a #1 WR either. But guess what: he's been the #1 WR on his team almost every year of his career. Or has it actually been ever year?

Lol, Carr has already thrown for 888 yards to Streeter? Nice.

And just because DeSean Jackson is his teams #1 receiver, doesn't mean he's a #1 receiver. The Eagles didn't have a problem letting him go in FA. I doubt that's the case if he really was a #1 receiver.

I like Cooks, but you're trying to hard to pimp your boy. Relax.

You're thinking you have to be AJ Green or Megatron to be a #1 receiver. To be a #1 receiver all you have to be is the best receiver on the team. Cooks wouldn't be a #1 receiver on EVERY team, but he'd easily be a #1 receiver in Oakland.

Percy Harvin's never been a #1 type either, but that doesn't mean he doesn't strike fear into opposing defenses. I'm not pimping anyone; you're trying to diminish him because Brees is his QB. You'd have to do the same thing to Jerry Rice then.

Your Oakland statement was gross hyperbole. And now Desean Jackson isn't a #1 receiver??? Are you saying that because you've never seen him play, or because he's injured?

Post #12 » by **Ray_Dogg** » Mon Sep 15, 2014 2:00 pm

My favorite CB Fuller is looking good.

NinerSickness · Post #13 » by **NinerSickness** » Tue Sep 16, 2014 1:55 am

Ray_Dogg wrote:My favorite CB Fuller is looking good.

Unfortunately your prediction is looking pretty good right now.

Bingo_AlphaMan · Post #14 » by **Bingo_AlphaMan** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 2:29 am

Davante Adams - WR - Packers

Davante Adams out-snapped Jarrett Boykin 37-25 in Sunday's win over the Jets.

Boykin started as the No. 3 receiver, but got a quick hook after failing to come up with a tough pass in the red zone. Adams came on and immediately impressed, finishing with a 5-50-0 line on seven targets. If the second-round rookie hasn't forced an all-out rotation here, he's certainly breathing down the veteran's neck. Adams is worth an add in deeper formats just in case he steals the third wideout job full-time.

Sep 16 - 8:18 AM

Bingo_AlphaMan · Post #15 » by **Bingo_AlphaMan** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 2:30 am

Donte Moncrief - WR - Colts

Donte Moncrief caught his lone target for 16 yards in the Colts' Week 2 loss to the Eagles.

It was Moncrief's first NFL catch. He's the clear No. 4 receiver in Indy, but won't play a large role unless OC Pep Hamilton reluctantly opens up the offense or gets fired.

Sep 16 - 12:39 AM

Bingo_AlphaMan · Post #16 » by **Bingo_AlphaMan** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 2:35 am

Jordan Matthews - WR - Eagles

Jordan Matthews caught 1-of-4 targets for 17 yards in the Eagles' Week 2 win over the Colts.

Matthews played in three-wide sets out of the slot, as expected. On his lone catch, Matthews caught an earful from coach Chip Kelly for not getting out of bounds. As the fifth or sixth option in the passing game, Matthews isn't start-able in fantasy. He won't have value unless there are injuries in Philadelphia.

Sep 16 - 12:37 AM

Bingo_AlphaMan · Post #17 » by **Bingo_AlphaMan** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 2:39 am

Odell Beckham - WR - Giants

Asked Monday about rookie Odell Beckham's hamstring, coach Tom Coughlin replied "They claim he's getting better."

"They" is the Giants' medical staff. Beckham has been inactive for each of New York's first two games and seems to remain without a timetable for return. Beckham has barely practiced with the Giants since they drafted him, as he was regularly out of commission during both spring practices and training camp.
Source: Ralph Vacchiano on Twitter

Sep 15 - 3:02 PM

Bingo_AlphaMan · Post #18 » by **Bingo_AlphaMan** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 3:01 am

Jarvis Landry - WR - Dolphins

Rookie Jarvis Landry appears to have bypassed Brandon Gibson and Rishard Matthews as the Dolphins' No. 3 receiver.

After sharing time with Gibson in Week 1, Landry played more snaps than both in Week 2, finishing with five receptions for 49 yards. The 63rd overall pick in May's draft, Landry could flirt with lower-end WR4 value in PPR leagues as Miami's slot receiver. The outside guys are Mike Wallace and Brian Hartline.
Source: Miami Herald

Sep 15 - 2:24 PM

Bingo_AlphaMan · Post #19 » by **Bingo_AlphaMan** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 3:02 am

Kelvin Benjamin - WR - Panthers

Panthers coach Ron Rivera called Kelvin Benjamin's Week 2 drops "focus issues."

Benjamin dropped three passes against the Lions. Beyond the obvious reasons, it's a concern because Benjamin struggled with drops at Florida State. With so little competition behind him, Benjamin remains locked in as the Panthers' No. 1 receiver, but is going to be inconsistent.
Source: Joseph Person on Twitter

Sep 15 - 1:32 PM

clyde21 · Post #20 » by **clyde21** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 6:12 am

NinerSickness wrote:
clyde21 wrote:
NinerSickness wrote:
You stop. Rod Streeter: 888 yards. Kenny Stills (Brees' 3rd option): 641 yards. And that was when they had a TE playing QB in Oakland.

And Desean Jackson isn't in the mold of a #1 WR either. But guess what: he's been the #1 WR on his team almost every year of his career. Or has it actually been ever year?

Lol, Carr has already thrown for 888 yards to Streeter? Nice.

And just because DeSean Jackson is his teams #1 receiver, doesn't mean he's a #1 receiver. The Eagles didn't have a problem letting him go in FA. I doubt that's the case if he really was a #1 receiver.

I like Cooks, but you're trying to hard to pimp your boy. Relax.

You're thinking you have to be AJ Green or Megatron to be a #1 receiver. To be a #1 receiver all you have to be is the best receiver on the team. Cooks wouldn't be a #1 receiver on EVERY team, but he'd easily be a #1 receiver in Oakland.

Percy Harvin's never been a #1 type either, but that doesn't mean he doesn't strike fear into opposing defenses. I'm not pimping anyone; you're trying to diminish him because Brees is his QB. You'd have to do the same thing to Jerry Rice then.

Your Oakland statement was gross hyperbole. And now Desean Jackson isn't a #1 receiver??? Are you saying that because you've never seen him play, or because he's injured?

few points:

A number one WR needs to be complete in that he can threaten deep, he can be a possession WR, can catch balls all over the field - including the middle - and be a willing blocker. DeSean Jackson can do ONE of those things well - threaten deep. I'd argue you that Pierre Garcon is more of a #1 than Jackson, TBH.

A #2 WR on the Saints is different than a #2 WR on most other teams because of the offense, how much they throw, and Drew Brees. All of their top 4 WR gets plenty of looks.

I'm not trying to "diminish him." I'm saying that his production is skewed by virtue of the offense and having a top-3 QB feeding him the ball. Even if you put him on the Raiders and he's their "1", that means he'll also get opposing teams top CB and more of the defense's attention. You can't have it both ways.