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Justin Smith is playing better than last year (he must be healthier); the Niners better keep his @zz fresh this year w/ plenty of rep's from the backups!!! (unlike in 2012). And actually, Ray Macdonald is playing really well. Ian Williams is showing some pass-rush skills too, and Dorsey should be back at the end of the year. The D-line is looking really good. If Tank can learn the friggn' playbook it'll be even better.

Now let's look at Ahmad Brooks. He has never been a great pass rusher. He's a converted college ILB who played MLB for the Bengals. The Niners' D has been great even without 2 great pass rushers. Aaron Lynch already has like 3 batted down passes this year. He's looking like he should have been that top-15 pick people expected him to be at Notre Dame. Brooks is absolutely great in coverage and setting the edge, wrapping up & just playing solid football (except for the penalties). But about half the time he's rushing the passer, and he cannot touch lynch in that category. Here's PFF's grades for Brooks rushing the passer last year:



You have to take these ratings with a grain of salt; they don't always make sense. But they're pretty good for OL and DL IMO (and pass-rushing OLBs). The only 3 teams against whom Brooks had positive ratings rushing the passer were 'Zona, GB and Carolina. Those were teams with serious OL problems.



Getting both Aldon & Lynch on the field at the same time w/ the D-line looking as strong as it does is going to be a defensive coordinator's wet dream. It'll be like when the Steelers has both Woodley & Harrison destroying O-lines. All they have to do is STAY HEALTHY!!!!!!! PLEASE!!!

Even if Lynch doesn't steal Brooks' starting job this year, I'm sure Lynch will get plenty of snaps rushing the passer from the left while Aldon tears up the right. It's going to be glorious.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNz-UZrR77A[/youtube]

Another advantage of having Lynch:

He can play DE in passing situations. He played DE in a 3-4 at Notre Dame. I'm hoping to see Lynch & JSmith at DT and Aldon & Lemonier at DE in some passing situations. That's be friggn' sweet.

Tank, please get your @zz on the field soon so JSmiht doesn't get worn down!

Brooks is going to be gone after this year as he's going to be making too much money for his slipping production.

After this season I think it'll be Aldon on one side and Skuta/Lynch manning the other with Lemonier being the backup.

Lynch could man the starting job next season but knowing Fangio and his preference for established vets Lynch will be brought in for pass rush situations.

I'm excited about Lynch as well as he looks like the top 15 talent rather the 5th round gamble that he was. If he keeps his head on straight and keeps developing the front 7 could be insane next year. And that would go along with a secondary that I feel will be better as well so the D in general might be really nasty in the foreseeable future.

Unless someone has made this suggestion already...

Lynch Mob.

Now that Sick is hyping him up does that mean Lynch is a bust? We don't need any more Lemons at that position.

whysies wrote:Now that Sick is hyping him up does that mean Lynch is a bust? We don't need any more Lemons at that position.

Oh great. Having a stalker should make me feel more important, but sadly it doesn't.

Now Lemonier is a bust because Lynch beat him out? Dumb dumb dumb rationale. Lemonier proved that he can rush the passer as one of the youngest players in the league. Getting beat out by Lynch mans nothing except that Lynch is a phenom. Lemonier is fine. Having too many good OLBs is a good thing.

I was referring to Lemonier being a bust cuz he sucks. I hope Lynch can avoid the same fate. He has been impressive though, definitely agree with you there.

The stalker thing is weird. You do realize that you start more threads than anyone else, and have a lot of kooky opinions, right? It's not surprising that people would respond. In fact, that's why you post your goofiness across multiple websites.

Anyway, I was just giving you crap for being wrong about a dude at the same position and doing the same thing you did last year to the latest rookie. Could have just as easily pointed out your undying, rock hard hate for Brooks that has to be spread across multiple websites for multiple years (I'm starting to come around on that one though, he hasn't played as well this year. Not Lemonier bad, but he definitely seems like he might be on the decline)

whysies wrote:Anyway, I was just giving you crap for being wrong about a dude at the same position and doing the same thing you did last year to the latest rookie. Could have just as easily pointed out your undying, rock hard hate for Brooks that has to be spread across multiple websites for multiple years (I'm starting to come around on that one though, he hasn't played as well this year. Not Lemonier bad, but he definitely seems like he might be on the decline)

I'm not wrong about Lemonier. You are. He's a stud in training, and he's already a great pass rusher; he just needs to learn the nuances of the game more. Dude's 22 years old.

Too early to panic about Lemonier as he needed some development when he was drafted so where he's at now isn't unsurprising.

Also Lynch had top 15 potential that he just pissed away in college because he's an idiot. Now that he seems to have matured and stop being an idiot (hopefully) he's back to looking like a guy that had top 15 potential.

So there really isn't any shame about Lynch beating Lemonier because Lynch is just simply more talented and with him it's a matter if he doesn't screw up on the mental side of things.

Same thing with Tank and Patton as they are both guys that are behind vets that are playing really well and it's a coaching staff that favors vets when it comes to playing time.

NinerSickness wrote:Justin Smith is playing better than last year (he must be healthier); the Niners better keep his @zz fresh this year w/ plenty of rep's from the backups!!! (unlike in 2012). And actually, Ray Macdonald is playing really well. Ian Williams is showing some pass-rush skills too, and Dorsey should be back at the end of the year. The D-line is looking really good. If Tank can learn the friggn' playbook it'll be even better.

Now let's look at Ahmad Brooks. He has never been a great pass rusher. He's a converted college ILB who played MLB for the Bengals. The Niners' D has been great even without 2 great pass rushers. Aaron Lynch already has like 3 batted down passes this year. He's looking like he should have been that top-15 pick people expected him to be at Notre Dame. Brooks is absolutely great in coverage and setting the edge, wrapping up & just playing solid football (except for the penalties). But about half the time he's rushing the passer, and he cannot touch lynch in that category. Here's PFF's grades for Brooks rushing the passer last year:



You have to take these ratings with a grain of salt; they don't always make sense. But they're pretty good for OL and DL IMO (and pass-rushing OLBs). The only 3 teams against whom Brooks had positive ratings rushing the passer were 'Zona, GB and Carolina. Those were teams with serious OL problems.



Getting both Aldon & Lynch on the field at the same time w/ the D-line looking as strong as it does is going to be a defensive coordinator's wet dream. It'll be like when the Steelers has both Woodley & Harrison destroying O-lines. All they have to do is STAY HEALTHY!!!!!!! PLEASE!!!

Even if Lynch doesn't steal Brooks' starting job this year, I'm sure Lynch will get plenty of snaps rushing the passer from the left while Aldon tears up the right. It's going to be glorious.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNz-UZrR77A[/youtube]

I agree with everything. As for Dorsey, he offers nothing in the pass rush, but he is stout against the run. Ian Williams is the better player imo. They should extend Williams since his contract expires after next season.

Jikkle wrote:Too early to panic about Lemonier as he needed some development when he was drafted so where he's at now isn't unsurprising.

Also Lynch had top 15 potential that he just pissed away in college because he's an idiot. Now that he seems to have matured and stop being an idiot (hopefully) he's back to looking like a guy that had top 15 potential.

So there really isn't any shame about Lynch beating Lemonier because Lynch is just simply more talented and with him it's a matter if he doesn't screw up on the mental side of things.

Same thing with Tank and Patton as they are both guys that are behind vets that are playing really well and it's a coaching staff that favors vets when it comes to playing time.

Totally agree. Lemonier flashed some potential last year but seems to have hit a wall this year. Too early to give up on him. Same with Quinton Patton.

NinerSickness wrote:Justin Smith is playing better than last year (he must be healthier); the Niners better keep his @zz fresh this year w/ plenty of rep's from the backups!!! (unlike in 2012). And actually, Ray Macdonald is playing really well. Ian Williams is showing some pass-rush skills too, and Dorsey should be back at the end of the year. The D-line is looking really good. If Tank can learn the friggn' playbook it'll be even better.

Now let's look at Ahmad Brooks. He has never been a great pass rusher. He's a converted college ILB who played MLB for the Bengals. The Niners' D has been great even without 2 great pass rushers. Aaron Lynch already has like 3 batted down passes this year. He's looking like he should have been that top-15 pick people expected him to be at Notre Dame. Brooks is absolutely great in coverage and setting the edge, wrapping up & just playing solid football (except for the penalties). But about half the time he's rushing the passer, and he cannot touch lynch in that category. Here's PFF's grades for Brooks rushing the passer last year:



You have to take these ratings with a grain of salt; they don't always make sense. But they're pretty good for OL and DL IMO (and pass-rushing OLBs). The only 3 teams against whom Brooks had positive ratings rushing the passer were 'Zona, GB and Carolina. Those were teams with serious OL problems.



Getting both Aldon & Lynch on the field at the same time w/ the D-line looking as strong as it does is going to be a defensive coordinator's wet dream. It'll be like when the Steelers has both Woodley & Harrison destroying O-lines. All they have to do is STAY HEALTHY!!!!!!! PLEASE!!!

Even if Lynch doesn't steal Brooks' starting job this year, I'm sure Lynch will get plenty of snaps rushing the passer from the left while Aldon tears up the right. It's going to be glorious.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNz-UZrR77A[/youtube]

You forgot about Quinton Dial. He looked like a stud in preseason. He is more of a DE but can play NT in a pinch.