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Just curious does anyone know how they do the alternates? Seriously how does Andy Dalton get in ahead of Eli, Kap, Newton, Smith and Carr? probably more deserving people I was just throwing out names. Is this seriously all based off of votes?

Strictly on voting. The fan's voting counts as 1/3, the player's voting counts as 1/3, and the coaches voting counts as 1/3. The last couple years they have been forced to go down the list at each spot because so many players are skipping the game whether it's for injury or other reasons. Plus, now Super Bowl participants are no longer eligible to play so that only compounds it.

Also, Eli Manning cited a thigh injury for not going and Newton had his back fractures,

ChrisPozz wrote:Also, Eli Manning cited a thigh injury for not going and Newton had his back fractures,

I saw an article that didn't list those 2 as alternates my bad

Andy Dalton made the game as the 7th alternate.

Dalton being in the game is downright shameful

ChrisPozz wrote:Andy Dalton made the game as the 7th alternate.

Yea my thing is he shouldn't have even been that high on the list.

If a guy makes it as an alternate, is he a "pro bowl player" for instance when HOF voting comes up? Cause that's some straight BS. You're looking at what, 1/3 of the QBs in the league being "pro bowl" QBs? It's ridiculous.

CrimsonCrew wrote:If a guy makes it as an alternate, is he a "pro bowl player" for instance when HOF voting comes up? Cause that's some straight BS. You're looking at what, 1/3 of the QBs in the league being "pro bowl" QBs? It's ridiculous.

And even then, I think it should just be 1/2 players and 1/2 coaches voting, no fan vote. If it's going to be discussed in HOF voting. NFL wouldn't do this because they want fan participation (ad $). I'd maybe even think that players wouldn't know as much as coaches - but how much do coaches see, care, vote, or be impartial, either?

All-Pro is enough for HOF credentials, Pro-Bowl is ehh. I don't know how All-Pro is decided (associated press, coaches?), but the sheer limit of them is a positive for its strength of influence.

MHSL82 wrote:

CrimsonCrew wrote:If a guy makes it as an alternate, is he a "pro bowl player" for instance when HOF voting comes up? Cause that's some straight BS. You're looking at what, 1/3 of the QBs in the league being "pro bowl" QBs? It's ridiculous.

And even then, I think it should just be 1/2 players and 1/2 coaches voting, no fan vote. If it's going to be discussed in HOF voting. NFL wouldn't do this because they want fan participation (ad $). I'd maybe even think that players wouldn't know as much as coaches - but how much do coaches see, care, vote, or be impartial, either?

All-Pro is enough for HOF credentials, Pro-Bowl is ehh. I don't know how All-Pro is decided (associated press, coaches?), but the sheer limit of them is a positive for its strength of influence.

All-Pro is the media.

The best thing they could do is get rid of the game completely.

Pattersonca65 wrote:The best thing they could do is get rid of the game completely.

Clyde or Sickness was talking about putting it into the Award Show they have when they announce MVP and Comeback POY or COY. Good idea, in my opinion.

CrimsonCrew wrote:If a guy makes it as an alternate, is he a "pro bowl player" for instance when HOF voting comes up? Cause that's some straight BS. You're looking at what, 1/3 of the QBs in the league being "pro bowl" QBs? It's ridiculous.

For the most part, no. The list the actual selection committee gets only shows the Pro Bowls that the player was named to when the initial list was created. However, members of the selection committee collects all sorts of data from outside of that to have for their discussions, and it's possible and probably likely, that some of it contains inflated numbers because some teams and publications include the years they made it as an alternate. We are on the verge of entering the age where it's become a bigger problem or maybe a bigger topic now because more and more players are pulling out compared to over a decade or so ago.

MHSL82 wrote:

CrimsonCrew wrote:If a guy makes it as an alternate, is he a "pro bowl player" for instance when HOF voting comes up? Cause that's some straight BS. You're looking at what, 1/3 of the QBs in the league being "pro bowl" QBs? It's ridiculous.

And even then, I think it should just be 1/2 players and 1/2 coaches voting, no fan vote. If it's going to be discussed in HOF voting. NFL wouldn't do this because they want fan participation (ad $). I'd maybe even think that players wouldn't know as much as coaches - but how much do coaches see, care, vote, or be impartial, either?

All-Pro is enough for HOF credentials, Pro-Bowl is ehh. I don't know how All-Pro is decided (associated press, coaches?), but the sheer limit of them is a positive for its strength of influence.

I've had this debate for many years with all sorts of people - intelligent and some dumb, if I can say that.

There's those that feel like players and coaches should only be allowed to vote because they are more informed than fans because they watch film and they see who has been match-up problems and worthy of getting the nods.

The people who are against that make the argument that players are kind of in their own little bubble, they don't scout every single team, and they play favorites with their friends around the league or vote based off of reputation. The last one is something fans have been accused off before obviously, too.

My biggest problem with people who say that fans are more informed or need to be there in the vote because they now watch the NFL from a league wide perspective due to DirecTV or Red Zone is that I don't think these people who make this argument have any idea just how few knowledgeable sports fans there are THAT ACTUALLY VOTE compared to the ones that legitimately watch enough to form a good, fair, and balanced opinion for all 32 teams. A good number of people I come in contact with who I'd be OK with letting vote if they have a fan vote are people that dish out their opinions other ways, usually through media, but never take the time to submit an actual ballot.

I've always wondered about the idea of creating a committee of NFL directors of pro personnel, assistant directors of pro personnel, senior assistants, and pro scouts, both current and former people, who come up with the list IF the NFL decides they want the game to continue and there's enough people that feel like it wouldn't be such a big waste of time.

If it were me, I'd get rid of all of it completely but I realize they are in there to make money and there's that whole argument for having the game and what not. If I were a higher official on a team I probably wouldn't want my guys in those positions to have to take even 30 minutes out of their entire season to fill out a silly ballot for a Pro Bowl but maybe I could be talked into it by those guys with those titles if they could convince me that it wouldn't be a huge strain on their time and that they could do a quality job without having any sort of bias come through.

MHSL82 wrote:

Pattersonca65 wrote:The best thing they could do is get rid of the game completely.

Clyde or Sickness was talking about putting it into the Award Show they have when they announce MVP and Comeback POY or COY. Good idea, in my opinion.

As long as the money continues to be right for them and players don't completely give up on the idea somehow, I think it'll be there as two separate events.