Kaepernick's Off-Season Workout Thread

[generaldreedle]

Kurt Warner was on-site helping promote next February’s Super Bowl 50, and gave an interesting account of his time spent working with 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick this offseason.

Kaepernick can throw a fastball 98 miles per hour, but his throwing motion is all arm, his mechanics are off, and he isn’t developing enough as a pocket passer.

“We tried to engage his lower half,” explained Warner, one of the best pocket passers in NFL history. “As a quarterback, when you can throw with your body, you don’t have to throw it 100 m.p.h. with your arm, and that’s where the touch develops.”

But Warner also told everyone to temper their expectations with Kaepernick.

“Talk about a guy that, however many years he’s been playing the position, did it one way. And then we’re going to change him in 2-3 months?” Warner said. “The 8-10 weeks, however long we worked together, is that enough time to be able to change things that you’ve been doing your entire career?”

[MHSL82]

Kurt Warner was on-site helping promote next February’s Super Bowl 50, and gave an interesting account of his time spent working with 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick this offseason.

Kaepernick can throw a fastball 98 miles per hour, but his throwing motion is all arm, his mechanics are off, and he isn’t developing enough as a pocket passer.

“We tried to engage his lower half,” explained Warner, one of the best pocket passers in NFL history. “As a quarterback, when you can throw with your body, you don’t have to throw it 100 m.p.h. with your arm, and that’s where the touch develops.”

But Warner also told everyone to temper their expectations with Kaepernick.

“Talk about a guy that, however many years he’s been playing the position, did it one way. And then we’re going to change him in 2-3 months?” Warner said. “The 8-10 weeks, however long we worked together, is that enough time to be able to change things that you’ve been doing your entire career?”

Alex Smith worked out with Tom House and had this quote about how it has to become habit and not focused on executing the mechanical method in game: "I've thrown, I don't know how many millions of times, and you develop things," Smith said after today's morning walk through. "And it's not like you're going to change things overnight. And these are very small things that I continue to work on. ... Sometimes at the end of practice - I don't know if it's fatigue or whatever - all of a sudden you kind of fall back on some (old habits) that you're doing.

"But come football time, I'm not sitting on top of a mound. It's football, it's different. All of a sudden when 300-pound guys are running at you, you just react and throw,” Smith said. “Those are the times when no one cares about the mechanics, the deal is get the ball to the guy before you get tackled. So it's a give and take, a fine line."

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[Pattersonca65]

My martial arts teacher used to tell us it takes longer to correct bad form than it takes to learn good form from the start. Just like any other sports competition, you don't have time to thing about it, you just react. It was the same in martial arts competition. If you had to think about it, you were going to be a step slow. Mike Krukow talked about how it affects pitchers in baseball. Krukow said when pitchers are fighting thru mechanical issues, they start thinking about it on the mound and lose concentration on getting the batter out at the plate and can end up in slumps.

[SfBull]

Call me a football beginner but there is a thing that I just can´t understand about this niners offseason.What´s the meaning of this workouts for Kaepernick if the niners want to become a running team next season?This offseason moves are confusing ,signing a deep receiver in Torrey Smith for a team who wants to run first?

[Pattersonca65]

Call me a football beginner but there is a thing that I just can´t understand about this niners offseason.What´s the meaning of this workouts for Kaepernick if the niners want to become a running team next season?This offseason moves are confusing ,signing a deep receiver in Torrey Smith for a team who wants to run first?

Even running teams have to be able to pass the ball to open things up, otherwise defenses will just stack the box. We saw defenses do that last year with 8 and 9 players playing the run. Maybe it is just me, but it seems to me people are reading too much into the running comments. Some people seem to have interpreted that to mean that the 49ers were going to three yards and a could of dust. I don't think that is the case.

[SfBull]

Call me a football beginner but there is a thing that I just can´t understand about this niners offseason.What´s the meaning of this workouts for Kaepernick if the niners want to become a running team next season?This offseason moves are confusing ,signing a deep receiver in Torrey Smith for a team who wants to run first?

Even running teams have to be able to pass the ball to open things up, otherwise defenses will just stack the box. We saw defenses do that last year with 8 and 9 players playing the run. Maybe it is just me, but it seems to me people are reading too much into the running comments. Some people seem to have interpreted that to mean that the 49ers were going to three yards and a could of dust. I don't think that is the case.

May be my case.I read these running comments and think about Jimmy Raye´s offfense.It was ugly to watch.But I read that new offensive Geep Chryst has the support of his playershttp://www.nfl.com/news/story/0a ... rs-offense
.So it can work.But still puzzles me that 49ers want to be a most running team with a QB with such a strong arm like Kaepernick.Seems like a waste of talent.Ok we don´t know what kind of offense Geep Crhyst will build but the FO comments seems to show the direction.And NFL offenses seems to be more pass- oriented today.It´s curious that a team who won 5 SB with WCO opts for a running offense(I´m not thinking about an unbalanced offense ,obviously it will have some passing ) .

[Pattersonca65]

Call me a football beginner but there is a thing that I just can´t understand about this niners offseason.What´s the meaning of this workouts for Kaepernick if the niners want to become a running team next season?This offseason moves are confusing ,signing a deep receiver in Torrey Smith for a team who wants to run first?

Even running teams have to be able to pass the ball to open things up, otherwise defenses will just stack the box. We saw defenses do that last year with 8 and 9 players playing the run. Maybe it is just me, but it seems to me people are reading too much into the running comments. Some people seem to have interpreted that to mean that the 49ers were going to three yards and a could of dust. I don't think that is the case.

May be my case.I read these running comments and think about Jimmy Raye´s offfense.It was ugly to watch.But I read that new offensive Geep Chryst has the support of his playershttp://www.nfl.com/news/story/0a ... rs-offense
.So it can work.But still puzzles me that 49ers want to be a most running team with a QB with such a strong arm like Kaepernick.Seems like a waste of talent.Ok we don´t know what kind of offense Geep Crhyst will build but the FO comments seems to show the direction.And NFL offenses seems to be more pass- oriented today.It´s curious that a team who won 5 SB with WCO opts for a running offense(I´m not thinking about an unbalanced offense ,obviously it will have some passing ) .

Lets hope Chryst is better than Jimmy Raye. I think he will be. Jimmy Raye was inept and out of his league. Under Raye, the offense would change from week to week. At times it was like the Keystone cops. One week, Alex Smith would be under center and the 49ers would be running a power running offense. When the offense sputtered, Raye would change the offense the following week to a spread offense with Alex Smith playing out of the shotgun. It was a mess

[CrimsonCrew]

Call me a football beginner but there is a thing that I just can´t understand about this niners offseason.What´s the meaning of this workouts for Kaepernick if the niners want to become a running team next season?This offseason moves are confusing ,signing a deep receiver in Torrey Smith for a team who wants to run first?

You can't run if teams crowd the line. We desperately needed someone to stretch the field to prevent opponents from stacking the box. And you can't just ignore the passing game, even if you intend to be run-heavy. The Hawks' offense would be atrocious but for the couple big passes they connect on every game. I see our ideal offense as involving a fair bit of passing, and almost certainly more downfield passing than we had last year. Of our recent offensive coordinators, I'd hope for more Norv Turner than Jimmy Raye. The addition of Smith helps, but we need Vernon to get back to running those seams effectively in order to truly take advantage of Smith's talents.

[CrimsonCrew]

Even running teams have to be able to pass the ball to open things up, otherwise defenses will just stack the box. We saw defenses do that last year with 8 and 9 players playing the run. Maybe it is just me, but it seems to me people are reading too much into the running comments. Some people seem to have interpreted that to mean that the 49ers were going to three yards and a could of dust. I don't think that is the case.

May be my case.I read these running comments and think about Jimmy Raye´s offfense.It was ugly to watch.But I read that new offensive Geep Chryst has the support of his playershttp://www.nfl.com/news/story/0a ... rs-offense
.So it can work.But still puzzles me that 49ers want to be a most running team with a QB with such a strong arm like Kaepernick.Seems like a waste of talent.Ok we don´t know what kind of offense Geep Crhyst will build but the FO comments seems to show the direction.And NFL offenses seems to be more pass- oriented today.It´s curious that a team who won 5 SB with WCO opts for a running offense(I´m not thinking about an unbalanced offense ,obviously it will have some passing ) .

Lets hope Chryst is better than Jimmy Raye. I think he will be. Jimmy Raye was inept and out of his league. Under Raye, the offense would change from week to week. At times it was like the Keystone cops. One week, Alex Smith would be under center and the 49ers would be running a power running offense. When the offense sputtered, Raye would change the offense the following week to a spread offense with Alex Smith playing out of the shotgun. It was a mess

I don't think he can be that bad. Raye was abhorrent.

[Bald Bull]

Call me a football beginner but there is a thing that I just can´t understand about this niners offseason.What´s the meaning of this workouts for Kaepernick if the niners want to become a running team next season?This offseason moves are confusing ,signing a deep receiver in Torrey Smith for a team who wants to run first?

So you'd prefer to have a crappy WR core? We aren't going to be in running situations every play, we will still need to pass.

[SfBull]

Call me a football beginner but there is a thing that I just can´t understand about this niners offseason.What´s the meaning of this workouts for Kaepernick if the niners want to become a running team next season?This offseason moves are confusing ,signing a deep receiver in Torrey Smith for a team who wants to run first?

So you'd prefer to have a crappy WR core? We aren't going to be in running situations every play, we will still need to pass.

Great!Another Niners and Bulls fan!We ´re going through the NBA finals (our team is the thoughest to beat in the East. ).But about football,I´d prefer a pass-oriented offense with Boldin/Smith/Simpson? and maybe a WR drafted on first round.When Niners used WCO schemes there was strong running backs(Craig ,Watters ,Hearst) in the roster and some running game .Are our WR core crappy?With Boldin and Smith?Why?We don´t even know if Niners will draft a WR with their first pick.

[SfBull]

Toughest

[Pattersonca65]

Call me a football beginner but there is a thing that I just can´t understand about this niners offseason.What´s the meaning of this workouts for Kaepernick if the niners want to become a running team next season?This offseason moves are confusing ,signing a deep receiver in Torrey Smith for a team who wants to run first?

So you'd prefer to have a crappy WR core? We aren't going to be in running situations every play, we will still need to pass.

Great!Another Niners and Bulls fan!We ´re going through the NBA finals (our team is the thoughest to beat in the East. ).But about football,I´d prefer a pass-oriented offense with Boldin/Smith/Simpson? and maybe a WR drafted on first round.When Niners used WCO schemes there was strong running backs(Craig ,Watters ,Hearst) in the roster and some running game .Are our WR core crappy?With Boldin and Smith?Why?We don´t even know if Niners will draft a WR with their first pick.

While Walsh's WCO will be best remembered as a pass offense, the running game was key to the team's success. 1984's Super Bowl Team, Wendallm Tyler ran for about 1,250 yards and over 5 YPC. The 1988 team Craig rushed over 1,500 yards. Really tough for one dimensional teams to win a Super Bowl.

[Pattersonca65]

Here are more extensive comments from Kurt Warner

http://www.ninersnation.com/2015/3/30/8 ... g-football

[CrimsonCrew]

Kap needs a lot of work on his footwork, as well as his passing mechanics in general. Hopefully some of this will take. Not expecting huge changes, but his development is almost certainly the most important piece to our success on the field this year. The offense will have to pick up some of the slack for a defense that is losing at least four starters.

[tallglassowater]

My martial arts teacher used to tell us it takes longer to correct bad form than it takes to learn good form from the start. Just like any other sports competition, you don't have time to thing about it, you just react. It was the same in martial arts competition. If you had to think about it, you were going to be a step slow. Mike Krukow talked about how it affects pitchers in baseball. Krukow said when pitchers are fighting thru mechanical issues, they start thinking about it on the mound and lose concentration on getting the batter out at the plate and can end up in slumps.

Don't think. Feel.
-Bruce Lee

That's what my old teacher used to tell me all the time. That's why you drill so much, so when you are in a situation you just react from muscle memory. But like in the Smith quote someone posted, when you get tired you end up reverting. It's like Kaep would need an entire year to just drill and not have the actual season get in his way. He will go back to old ways when he is actually out there, cause that what he has always done. In theory anyway.

[SfBull]

Kap needs a lot of work on his footwork, as well as his passing mechanics in general. Hopefully some of this will take. Not expecting huge changes, but his development is almost certainly the most important piece to our success on the field this year. The offense will have to pick up some of the slack for a defense that is losing at least four starters.

Hopefully he turns to be a better pocket QB.He trusted too much in his running,sometimes he wanted just to be free of the ball last season. But it seems that he knows it.

[Pattersonca65]

My martial arts teacher used to tell us it takes longer to correct bad form than it takes to learn good form from the start. Just like any other sports competition, you don't have time to thing about it, you just react. It was the same in martial arts competition. If you had to think about it, you were going to be a step slow. Mike Krukow talked about how it affects pitchers in baseball. Krukow said when pitchers are fighting thru mechanical issues, they start thinking about it on the mound and lose concentration on getting the batter out at the plate and can end up in slumps.

Don't think. Feel.
-Bruce Lee

That's what my old teacher used to tell me all the time. That's why you drill so much, so when you are in a situation you just react from muscle memory. But like in the Smith quote someone posted, when you get tired you end up reverting. It's like Kaep would need an entire year to just drill and not have the actual season get in his way. He will go back to old ways when he is actually out there, cause that what he has always done. In theory anyway.

Our teacher used to have us practice meditation all the time. Not the hippie kind. We would just mentally picture our mechanics in our head and picture in our minds physically doing the mechanics correctly over and over again. he used to tell us when he had bad mechanics it really was a mental issue. It is the brain being improperly programmed which is directing the body to perform incorrectly.

[MHSL82]

My martial arts teacher used to tell us it takes longer to correct bad form than it takes to learn good form from the start. Just like any other sports competition, you don't have time to thing about it, you just react. It was the same in martial arts competition. If you had to think about it, you were going to be a step slow. Mike Krukow talked about how it affects pitchers in baseball. Krukow said when pitchers are fighting thru mechanical issues, they start thinking about it on the mound and lose concentration on getting the batter out at the plate and can end up in slumps.

Don't think. Feel.
-Bruce Lee

That's what my old teacher used to tell me all the time. That's why you drill so much, so when you are in a situation you just react from muscle memory. But like in the Smith quote someone posted, when you get tired you end up reverting. It's like Kaep would need an entire year to just drill and not have the actual season get in his way. He will go back to old ways when he is actually out there, cause that what he has always done. In theory anyway.

I thought it was "Conceal, don't feel. Put on a show, one wrong move and everyone will know." Or at least, that's what my daughter tells me. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0MK7qz13bU

[MHSL82]

My basketball coach would say that "practice makes perfect" is bologna, it's perfect practice makes perfect, because if you practice it imperfectly, and get perfect at doing that, you'll do it wrong every time.