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What is it that we need to do this game in order for us to say it is just personnel talent issue and not a coaching, system, scheme, locker room, etc.?

For me:

1. No INTs or QB fumbles.
2. 2 QB TDs - running or passing.
3. 40% or lower opponent third down conversions.
4. Force 2-3 FGs.
5. 30% of our 3rd downs converted.
6. No less than 28 minutes of TOP and not because GB scored so quickly.

Note that this won't be enough to win, but I want to see that it isn't us being stupid or figured out on game film, but rather because Green Bay is better than we are.

Have Fangio run the D this week and I'll let you know if it is a personnel talent issue.

Play press and blitz the **** out of our asses?

don't field 11 on the offense?

MHSL82 wrote:What is it that we need to do this game in order for us to say it is just personnel talent issue and not a coaching, system, scheme, locker room, etc.?

For me:

1. No INTs or QB fumbles.
2. 2 QB TDs - running or passing.
3. 40% or lower opponent third down conversions.
4. Force 2-3 FGs.
5. 30% of our 3rd downs converted.
6. No less than 28 minutes of TOP and not because GB scored so quickly.

Note that this won't be enough to win, but I want to see that it isn't us being stupid or figured out on game film, but rather because Green Bay is better than we are.

I don't see it as either or. There are both coaching and personnel issues causing this team to play poorly.

All I hope is the Niners hold the Packers to under 60....

Here's my list:

1. Kaepernick only throws three interceptions and only one is returned for a TD
2. Aaron Rodgers, because he's pissed at everyone saying Carson Palmer is so good, tries to throw for 800 yards, but the 49ers defense stops him at 400. Tomsula later says "This is on me, ok, although Joan in accounting did give me some tips on running the D."
3. Erik Pears, trying to redeem himself after the last few weeks, sees Kaepernick try to attempt a pass in the 4th quarter and tackles him for a 17 yard loss. Tomsula later says that Pears "really stepped up and showed the type of leadership we're looking for."
4. Carradine manages to rip his fingernail on Rodger's helmet in the backfield, which is the most pressure Rodgers feels all day --- Baalke lauds his own pick and goes to counsel him personally when Carradine later wraps his rental car around a tree after the game.
5. Jed York apologizes via twitter-- " hold me accountable, and by the way, there is a great secondary market for the PSLs out there."
6. Tomsula drops his pants, ala Singletary, in the middle of the game, revealing that he really is Ron Jeremy.

Pattersonca65 wrote:

MHSL82 wrote:What is it that we need to do this game in order for us to say it is just personnel talent issue and not a coaching, system, scheme, locker room, etc.?

For me:

1. No INTs or QB fumbles.
2. 2 QB TDs - running or passing.
3. 40% or lower opponent third down conversions.
4. Force 2-3 FGs.
5. 30% of our 3rd downs converted.
6. No less than 28 minutes of TOP and not because GB scored so quickly.

Note that this won't be enough to win, but I want to see that it isn't us being stupid or figured out on game film, but rather because Green Bay is better than we are.

I don't see it as either or. There are both coaching and personnel issues causing this team to play poorly.

True, but I was asking a hypothetical. I just see a lot of talk on bad coaching. Then, I see a lot on bad playing. I wanted to know what we'd need to do on one end to see a silver lining. Not asking if our coaching staff can, because I don't think there are many who think they can. But just asking if they did X, we'd be satisfied with them and just question Baalke and York.

Forget about winning or losing from a fan's perspective, just look competent and competitive....

So, we are back home, do we perform like week 1? Or does AR carve us up like a Christmas goose?

One thing I anticipate is that we go super conservative on offense with mostly running. Exact wrong way to go as far as I am concerned. We need to establish that we can go deep to loosen up the defense.

Let's try not to lose by 30+ at home please

zman1 wrote:So, we are back home, do we perform like week 1? Or does AR carve us up like a Christmas goose?

One thing I anticipate is that we go super conservative on offense with mostly running. Exact wrong way to go as far as I am concerned. We need to establish that we can go deep to loosen up the defense.

Both. Rodgers will carve us up and we'll score 20 points, mostly in the middle quarters like Week One. Minnesota averages 20 PPG and we held them to 3. If only we could hold GB 17 points below their average (35.3) and we'd be in good shape.

Watch this team pull out a win vs Green Bay just to reel us back in. Most likely not happening but would be interesting.

MHSL82 wrote:What is it that we need to do this game in order for us to say it is just personnel talent issue and not a coaching, system, scheme, locker room, etc.?

Note that this won't be enough to win, but I want to see that it isn't us being stupid or figured out on game film, but rather because Green Bay is better than we are.

I see big issues on the defense related to coaching. I read somewhere the team was in a base defense several times when it should have been in passing defense. the 49ers had a linebacker or Safety covering Larry Fitzgerald in the slot. That is on the coaches. We should maybe dump some of these exotic coverages that are supposed to confuse opposing defenses but seem to hurt our Defense more. Also gotta dump the three man rushes. I HATE THAT. It isn't working. The defense needs to blitz.

I am bit less harsh on the offensive coaching. Tomsula needs to leave the OC alone and let him call the plays. The play of the oline and QB are due more to the players themselves than the coaching.

Maybe if I just listen to this game on radio it won't be that bad.

MHSL82 wrote:What is it that we need to do this game in order for us to say it is just personnel talent issue and not a coaching, system, scheme, locker room, etc.?

For me:

1. No INTs or QB fumbles.
2. 2 QB TDs - running or passing.
3. 40% or lower opponent third down conversions.
4. Force 2-3 FGs.
5. 30% of our 3rd downs converted.
6. No less than 28 minutes of TOP and not because GB scored so quickly.

Note that this won't be enough to win, but I want to see that it isn't us being stupid or figured out on game film, but rather because Green Bay is better than we are.

The primary issue with the team is the offensive line. It's completely horrid when it comes to pass protection and everybody knows it.

It's a huge problem because in order to open up the running game you need to spread the ball out and be able to consistently pass over defenses that want to stop the run.

Right now the offensive line gets blown up by just the 4 down lineman and somehow they are completely confused on who to pick up.

So even if the QB was better the offense would be better yes but still very ho hum as said better QB would still be dealing with a lot of pressure in his face.

The problem on defense is the scheme is either overly complex or Mangini is just outsmarting himself or maybe it's both. Bridgewater had a tough time reading the defense but despite how tricky the defense is supposed to be Ben and Carson had little reading it and carving it up and somehow I doubt Rogers will have much issue carving up the defense either.

Jikkle wrote:

MHSL82 wrote:What is it that we need to do this game in order for us to say it is just personnel talent issue and not a coaching, system, scheme, locker room, etc.?

For me:

1. No INTs or QB fumbles.
2. 2 QB TDs - running or passing.
3. 40% or lower opponent third down conversions.
4. Force 2-3 FGs.
5. 30% of our 3rd downs converted.
6. No less than 28 minutes of TOP and not because GB scored so quickly.

Note that this won't be enough to win, but I want to see that it isn't us being stupid or figured out on game film, but rather because Green Bay is better than we are.

The primary issue with the team is the offensive line. It's completely horrid when it comes to pass protection and everybody knows it.

It's a huge problem because in order to open up the running game you need to spread the ball out and be able to consistently pass over defenses that want to stop the run.

Right now the offensive line gets blown up by just the 4 down lineman and somehow they are completely confused on who to pick up.

So even if the QB was better the offense would be better yes but still very ho hum as said better QB would still be dealing with a lot of pressure in his face.

The problem on defense is the scheme is either overly complex or Mangini is just outsmarting himself or maybe it's both. Bridgewater had a tough time reading the defense but despite how tricky the defense is supposed to be Ben and Carson had little reading it and carving it up and somehow I doubt Rogers will have much issue carving up the defense either.

A+ post. Kap was horrible this past Sunday no doubt. But this Oline has been consistently awful all season. Wasn't very good last season. I would add it would be crazy to draft a QB and even let him sniff the field with an oline like this. Will just ruin anyone. They need to get this addressed.

Pattersonca65 wrote:

Jikkle wrote:

MHSL82 wrote:What is it that we need to do this game in order for us to say it is just personnel talent issue and not a coaching, system, scheme, locker room, etc.?

For me:

1. No INTs or QB fumbles.
2. 2 QB TDs - running or passing.
3. 40% or lower opponent third down conversions.
4. Force 2-3 FGs.
5. 30% of our 3rd downs converted.
6. No less than 28 minutes of TOP and not because GB scored so quickly.

Note that this won't be enough to win, but I want to see that it isn't us being stupid or figured out on game film, but rather because Green Bay is better than we are.

The primary issue with the team is the offensive line. It's completely horrid when it comes to pass protection and everybody knows it.

It's a huge problem because in order to open up the running game you need to spread the ball out and be able to consistently pass over defenses that want to stop the run.

Right now the offensive line gets blown up by just the 4 down lineman and somehow they are completely confused on who to pick up.

So even if the QB was better the offense would be better yes but still very ho hum as said better QB would still be dealing with a lot of pressure in his face.

The problem on defense is the scheme is either overly complex or Mangini is just outsmarting himself or maybe it's both. Bridgewater had a tough time reading the defense but despite how tricky the defense is supposed to be Ben and Carson had little reading it and carving it up and somehow I doubt Rogers will have much issue carving up the defense either.

A+ post. Kap was horrible this past Sunday no doubt. But this Oline has been consistently awful all season. Wasn't very good last season. I would add it would be crazy to draft a QB and even let him sniff the field with an oline like this. Will just ruin anyone. They need to get this addressed.

Depends on where you draft. If it's a top 5 pick you have to consider QB. I wouldn't force a pick at QB because teams that draft a QB because you need a QB just waste a pick and years on a guy that doesn't have it but if one is there you take him.

And with the offensive line if Anthony Davis comes back next season it might not take a lot of work to make the unit good again. You would have your bookends with Staley and Davis and Kilgore would be serviceable in one of the interior spots so you might need to fill one or two positions.

You might not need to fill any of the positions which is why I've been screaming from the rooftops to get Easton, Thomas, and Brown in.

Thomas is still talented and starter capable which is why I want him to get the reps to get the experience and to hopefully get better the more he's in there. Brown is another guy that is raw and like Thomas could use the reps and experience so if Davis does come back he could be a legit backup swing tackle. Easton was a guy that had a good offseason and again get him some reps and see what you got. Martin I still believe will be fine but he's just young and needs to build up his body even more.

So by the end of the season you know where you stand with the offensive line and what holes you definitely need to address.

This is where the Harbaugh situation screwed us because instead of just giving up on the season and using it as a means to groom the young guys for future seasons they don't want egg on their face and want try to win now because they put their necks out there by firing Harbaugh and putting Tomsula in there which was a move basically nobody liked.

The 49ers are one player away from being a playoff team.



How much longer do we have to watch this guy? He has never made tis team better.

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http://www.csnbayarea.com/49ers/are-tight-ends-strength-49ers-offense

There's no problem in creating an identity for the team. I don't agree with the nod that its the TE. Maybe is a stronger unit without researching into it but as far as performance and use, its not. That strength is clearly a mirage and I ain't biting on that bait.

If you want your TEs to be the strength then draft better ones, sign or trade for upgrades.

McDonald can't stay healthy and when he does, he hasn't come through. His blocking is good though.

Celek, someone else who has injury concerns but hasn't made that stride yet.

Bell, a rookie but nothing bringing on gamedays.

Davis... well he's been declining and Kap throws more INTs to VD than completions.... so there's that.