TRAMAINE BROCK EXPENDABLE???

49er4life1979 · Post #1 » by **49er4life1979** » Tue Nov 10, 2015 4:42 am

Guys I wanted to get some of your opinions on whether you think Tramaine Brock is expendable after the season. The 49ers have 3 young and talented CBs in Acker, Reaser, and Johnson. Plus Jimmie Ward can play nickel in a pinch. And there is also Cromartie. So there is talent and depth here. This secondary I believe has potential to be one of the best with a better pass rush. The team has virtually gotten no pass rush from the DL this season....So I wouldn't mind if they explored trading Brock...Ditto for Antoine Bethea. I really like him, but if Tartt continues playing well, it may be time to move him as well and save money. As for Eric Reid, the team can sign him to an extension after the season or exercise the 5th year option for the 2017 season. I am leaning more towards the 5th year option and seeing how things unfold. He's had a very good rookie season but since has been OK.

arich35 · Post #2 » by **arich35** » Tue Nov 10, 2015 6:37 am

A lot of players on this team are expendable. I am concerned why Johnson hasn't been getting more playing time this year or are the coaches that stupid?

Post #3 » by **CalamityX12** » Tue Nov 10, 2015 2:25 pm

coaches are stupid... i'm still there on that POV.

As for Brock, not sure yet about making him expendable. I'm not sure if this guy is fully healthy TBH... not a great start to his season but last two he's been good.

wco81 · Post #4 » by **wco81** » Wed Nov 11, 2015 9:50 pm

I really wonder why Trent chose to extend Brock and not Culliver or Cox. Was it that the other two were going to be in greater demand so they'd cost more to extend?

Brock had a couple of good games, mainly the one against Schaub here a couple of seasons ago. But that was because Culliver was hurt that season.

I'm not sure that these CBs are good. They may be good enough to be starters and that's about it. Guess Trent thinks he was outsmarting every other team with these ACL specials.

The 49ers are in the bottom quarter in most pass defense categories. They're about in the middle when it comes to TDs allowed and ints.

Let's hope that improves by the end of the season.

Pattersonca65 · Post #5 » by **Pattersonca65** » Wed Nov 11, 2015 11:22 pm

wco81 wrote:I really wonder why Trent chose to extend Brock and not Culliver or Cox. Was it that the other two were going to be in greater demand so they'd cost more to extend?

Brock had a couple of good games, mainly the one against Schaub here a couple of seasons ago. But that was because Culliver was hurt that season.

I'm not sure that these CBs are good. They may be good enough to be starters and that's about it. Guess Trent thinks he was outsmarting every other team with these ACL specials.

The 49ers are in the bottom quarter in most pass defense categories. They're about in the middle when it comes to TDs allowed and ints.

Let's hope that improves by the end of the season.

Brock was ranked as a good corner his first season starting. I think overall the corners have played okay this year. I think the pass defense has been hurt trying to implement Mangini's zone scheme especially earlier in the season. Johnson and Cromartie played well against Atlanta but is one game enough evidence to make a change? I don't know. My guess is they didn't extend Culliver due to his legal issues and Cox has bounced around.

49er4life1979 · Post #6 » by **49er4life1979** » Thu Nov 12, 2015 3:33 am

wco81 wrote:I really wonder why Trent chose to extend Brock and not Culliver or Cox. Was it that the other two were going to be in greater demand so they'd cost more to extend?

Brock had a couple of good games, mainly the one against Schaub here a couple of seasons ago. But that was because Culliver was hurt that season.

I'm not sure that these CBs are good. They may be good enough to be starters and that's about it. Guess Trent thinks he was outsmarting every other team with these ACL specials.

The 49ers are in the bottom quarter in most pass defense categories. They're about in the middle when it comes to TDs allowed and ints.

Let's hope that improves by the end of the season.

The biggest problem has been the lack of a pass rush, especially from the DL position. 2 of our 3 starting DL are NTs and the other (Dial) is a run stuffer. Ray McDonald and Justin Smith have not been replaced. The secondary IMO is good and it would benefit from a better pass rush and less complexity from Mangini. Acker has 3 picks on the season and I think he's been our best CB.

I_am_1z · Post #7 » by **I_am_1z** » Thu Nov 12, 2015 3:51 am

wco81 wrote:I really wonder why Trent chose to extend Brock and not Culliver or Cox. Was it that the other two were going to be in greater demand so they'd cost more to extend?

Brock had a couple of good games, mainly the one against Schaub here a couple of seasons ago. But that was because Culliver was hurt that season.

I'm not sure that these CBs are good. They may be good enough to be starters and that's about it. Guess Trent thinks he was outsmarting every other team with these ACL specials.

The 49ers are in the bottom quarter in most pass defense categories. They're about in the middle when it comes to TDs allowed and ints.

Let's hope that improves by the end of the season.

It's strange when you try and cut down the resigning of Brock over Cox and Culliver when Brock was signed cheaper per year than either of them and has been arguably better than both of them.

Pattersonca65 · Post #8 » by **Pattersonca65** » Thu Nov 12, 2015 10:12 pm

If this accurate it is something about Tartt. I don't think Pinion has been good, Andy Lee was better

San Francisco 49ers

Great start: Jaquiski Tartt has quietly been arguably the best rookie safety in the league. Tartt has some cover ability, and he is not shy coming downhill and wrapping up. They have to be thrilled with him. And don't forget that Bradley Pinion has been good. Moving Andy Lee hasn't hurt them.

What we'll learn: Arik Armstead is seeing more snaps at this point, but he's still a fringe rotation player. And while he came in as a raw prospect, you hope to see more in the second half.

CrimsonCrew · Post #9 » by **CrimsonCrew** » Fri Nov 13, 2015 12:24 am

wco81 wrote:I really wonder why Trent chose to extend Brock and not Culliver or Cox. Was it that the other two were going to be in greater demand so they'd cost more to extend?

Brock had a couple of good games, mainly the one against Schaub here a couple of seasons ago. But that was because Culliver was hurt that season.

I'm not sure that these CBs are good. They may be good enough to be starters and that's about it. Guess Trent thinks he was outsmarting every other team with these ACL specials.

The 49ers are in the bottom quarter in most pass defense categories. They're about in the middle when it comes to TDs allowed and ints.

Let's hope that improves by the end of the season.

Do you really wonder? Cause it's really pretty obvious, at least so far as Culliver goes: money. Culliver's contract is worth over twice as much, with nearly four times the guaranteed money. Cox's contract is similar to Brock's, so that is probably connected to Baalke's belief in Cox's caliber versus Brock's. That's not such a stretch. Brock almost certainly starts in one of the CB spots if he's healthy last year. Comparing two players by looking at overall passing Ds is a little silly IMO. A lot goes into team stats, and it's clear that playcalling and blown assignments (see: Reid constantly late to get back in coverage early in the year) adversely affected this team in the first several games.

CrimsonCrew · Post #10 » by **CrimsonCrew** » Fri Nov 13, 2015 12:27 am

Pattersonca65 wrote:If this accurate it is something about Tartt. I don't think Pinion has been good, Andy Lee was better

San Francisco 49ers

Great start: Jaquiski Tartt has quietly been arguably the best rookie safety in the league. Tartt has some cover ability, and he is not shy coming downhill and wrapping up. They have to be thrilled with him. And don't forget that Bradley Pinion has been good. Moving Andy Lee hasn't hurt them.

What we'll learn: Arik Armstead is seeing more snaps at this point, but he's still a fringe rotation player. And while he came in as a raw prospect, you hope to see more in the second half.

Pinion has improved a bit over the past two weeks, but he's been extremely shaky in general. I chalk up at least six of Seattle's points to absolutely appalling punts giving them short fields which led to 40+ yard FGs. I don't mind the move given the way this year has turned out; Lee is expensive and getting old. But Pinion needs to be far more consistent next season and beyond to justify the move.

Bingo_AlphaMan · Post #11 » by **Bingo_AlphaMan** » Fri Nov 13, 2015 4:29 pm

I agree with Crims, we do have very good young talent at the corner position (safety too). I also agree that if we had great pass rush from our backers and dlinemen, these young corners would look phenomenal.

Also, nothing against Johnson but I do think both Reaser and Acker are better than him.

Pattersonca65 · Post #12 » by **Pattersonca65** » Fri Nov 13, 2015 4:55 pm

Bingo_AlphaMan wrote:I agree with Crims, we do have very good young talent at the corner position (safety too). I also agree that if we had great pass rush from our backers and dlinemen, these young corners would look phenomenal.

Also, nothing against Johnson but I do think both Reaser and Acker are better than him.

Have you watched Reaser play? He comes in on passing downs as a nickle back. I haven't really noticed how he's done. He has great physical tools. I think he has speed somewhere in the 4.3 range

wco81 · Post #13 » by **wco81** » Fri Nov 13, 2015 5:02 pm

Before or after the ACL?

Pattersonca65 · Post #14 » by **Pattersonca65** » Fri Nov 13, 2015 5:22 pm

wco81 wrote:Before or after the ACL?

Not positive what he would do today. I read somewhere three months into his recovery he ran a 4.4 in the 40.