Jimmie Ward is PFF's best CB over the past 3 weeks

[I_am_1z]

http://www.csnbayarea.com/49ers/jimmie-ward-rated-nfls-best-cornerback-over-past-three-weeks?p=ya5nbcs&ocid=yahoo

But I guess him and Arik Armstead are busts because 49er fans have told me so.

[Hangman_52]

http://www.csnbayarea.com/49ers/jimmie-ward-rated-nfls-best-cornerback-over-past-three-weeks?p=ya5nbcs&ocid=yahoo

But I guess him and Arik Armstead are busts because 49er fans have told me so.

That is why I think for myself instead of follow the herd. Many fans told me Kaepernick was the problem and Gabbert was the answer. They also told me I should hate anyone named York. But especially Jed. They also told me that Eric Reid was going to be a bust, that Ward was a bust, that Tartt was a bust, that moving Bowman to inside linebacker was a dumb idea when he was not even worth a 5th round pick instead of a 3rd, even though Jerry Jones had him as a first round pick, and so on.

Fans grouped together sometimes are as irrational as a mob in a riot. They want to be right even if it hurts the team.

I will say I was wrong on Armstead. I wanted someone that would contribute right away and not a project, but his development has been quicker than we were told by the media.

[NinerSickness]

Many fans told me Kaepernick was the problem and Gabbert was the answer.

Kaepernick was the problem. Gabbert wasn't the answer though. Connor Cook or Jared Goff is.

I'm thrilled Ward is playing better; he was struggling mightily earlier this season. I want to see this level of play over the course of the entire season though.

Jury's still out on Armstead, of course.

[Jikkle]

I was more in the camp that questioned if he was going to be worth a 1st round pick rather than a flat out bust and like any negative opinion I have about the team I always hope and glad when I'm wrong.

The caveat with Ward is that the past 3 weeks weren't exactly against passing juggernauts so I like Sick I would like to see him continue the strong play over a longer period of time and against some higher quality opponents.

[I_am_1z]

How you are when the narrative isn't in your favor and how quick to judge when it is

[Pattersonca65]

I am with Jikkle. I think bust is a bit strong. Nice to see Ward playing well but a 1st round pick is high for a slot or nickel corner.

[Hangman_52]

Many fans told me Kaepernick was the problem and Gabbert was the answer.

Kaepernick was the problem. Gabbert wasn't the answer though. Connor Cook or Jared Goff is.

I'm thrilled Ward is playing better; he was struggling mightily earlier this season. I want to see this level of play over the course of the entire season though.

Jury's still out on Armstead, of course.

Kaepernick is not the problem. The problem is a horrid, almost the worst ever, right side of an offensive line. 3 out of the 5 offensive linemen were near the worst of all offensive linemen the whole time he was QB. That meant you can't run or pass. Not even Tom Brady would look good because of that line. In fact, Devey alone made it so KC destroyed Tom Brady last season so badly that Steve Young and Trent Dilfer said that Tom Brady was through and the Patriots were not good anymore. The next game they benched Devey and they became good again and went on to win the Superbowl. The line is also the reason we lost so many runningbacks this year. They were getting hit before they had a chance to find a hole causing less chances to run out of bounds and had to struggle many times to get to the los. When your offensive line doesn't give you time you start throwing the ball dumb and missing reads. I have seen it from some of the best QBs this year. Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers both have thrown horrendous passes when there a couple of their starting linemen are out. And those backups were playing better than the garbage the 49ers were throwing out there.

I am not saying that Kaepernick is as good as those 2, but he has shown in the past that he is not crap. I see him getting back to being a solid starting QB next season if they rebuild the line to being competent. That means that we have a real RT and RG play next season. No more Jonathan Martin at RT, Marcus Martin at center or guard, Pears at RT or RG, or Devey at G. We need palyers with actual talent. The funny thing was as bad as J Martin was he was the best of the bunch of rejects we have had over on that side of the ball in the past 2 years; Boone included. Now he is out of the NFL.

As for Goff and Cook being the answer. They might be good QBs in the future, but they need a few years as a backup learning to be good. Same with Lynch who is probably better than the other 2. But if we want to rebuild faster than you get either a play making defensive player or a stout offensive lineman and go with Kaepernick. If for some chance you can get a first round pick or 2 for him from the Eagles then trade him, but I would rather trade Gabbert to the Cowboys for a 3rd or something similar. If lucky we might even get a second or 2 for him from a desperate team like the Cowboys or Eagles.

I am not so sure we won't rebuild really fast. We have the cap space to lure in great talent. On offense we need 2 linemen, both guards if Davis comes back in shape(only one if Boone comes back), a 3rd down back and maybe a TE in the mold of Walker. On Defense we need a DE, OLB, (both to get pressure on the QB) and an ILBer.

The other thing we need is our OC to go and get someone who can actually make moves with the offensive line and put out the people who can actually play and design plays to go beyond the los.

[NinerSickness]

Kaepernick is not the problem. The problem is a horrid, almost the worst ever, right side of an offensive line.

You're not seriously still trying to argue that Kaepernick is anything other than a crappy NFL QB are you?

Open your eyes. He sucks. How is anyone even still hung up on this? He's no better than Gabbert, and Gabbert sucks. A good OL won't change that fact.

[I_am_1z]

Jimmie Ward gave up a TD on a perfectly placed pass by Russell Wilson to Tyler Lockett and he was crucified.

Since then the 49ers have played the Cardinals, Bears, Browns, and Bengals in that order. Only rewatched the Cardinal game highlights to see if Ward was burned at all in that game—the answer is no, Brock was twice. Larry Fitzgerald, the Cardinals main slot receiver that game was held to 66 receiving yards, got to believe they were matched up a bunch. It's fair to assume Ward played decently against the Cards and since has been the top rated PFF CB. Possibly could be the best CB for a quarter of the season if he plays well next game. Oddly fans have gotten so patient all of a sudden. They killed Ward for 1 single play but now over the last four games of at least decent play from the slot, everyone's mum.

Two-faced fans.

[I_am_1z]

Kaepernick is not the problem. The problem is a horrid, almost the worst ever, right side of an offensive line.

You're not seriously still trying to argue that Kaepernick is anything other than a crappy NFL QB are you?

Open your eyes. He sucks. How is anyone even still hung up on this? He's no better than Gabbert, and Gabbert sucks. A good OL won't change that fact.

Gabbert isn't as bad as you're making him sound. Him getting over his fears in the pocket is tremendous progress. I'd take him over about 10 starters this Sunday. At the very least he gives the 49ers a chance to let a rook learn the position better

[MHSL82]

Many fans told me Kaepernick was the problem and Gabbert was the answer.

Kaepernick was the problem. Gabbert wasn't the answer though. Connor Cook or Jared Goff is.

I'm thrilled Ward is playing better; he was struggling mightily earlier this season. I want to see this level of play over the course of the entire season though.

Jury's still out on Armstead, of course.

This year, I don't know if Kaepernick was "the" problem. I felt this was a lost year either way. Going forward with Kaepernick would've been the problem, I think. Him being benched before his injury was the necessary step to avoid the problem. Neither he nor Gabbert are/were the answer.

[RedneckNiner]

I never called Ward a bust I have always said he was average and hes had a few good games so hey Im happy to be wrong. Never Said Tart was a bust just we already had Ward, Mccray, Reid, Bethea like the player just thought they could got more value. I know you think Ballke is the bestest most awesomest gm of all time and your entitled to your opinion. And Kaepernick I understand why some people fell in love with him hes exciting and michael vickish... Yes hes mobile and he can make some spectacular plays... But if you truly think he is elite... your living in the Madden world not the real one. He has all the talent and abililty to be elite but he hasn't learned to make that next step. With a good coaching staff and good support he can be really good. Kaeptard wasn't the only problem and Gabbert was never the answer.. Its like the argument whos better JT Osullivan or Shaun Hill? The issuess can't be focused on one person. The problems start with York trickles down to Baalke and the coaching staff. They spent a year running Harbs out of town. Okay hes not the answer Jed and Trent want cool.. that means they knew for a year they needed a new head coach and Tomsula was the best they could come up with.... The issues are everywhere and they won't be fixed unless the team gets an enema and flushes out the bad coaches the craptastic front office and put together a competent staff... but a competent staff could be threatening to Jeddy Poo because they might not be willing to start every day with a Dozen Hail Jeds...

[I_am_1z]

[quote="RedneckNiner" I know you think Ballke is the bestest most awesomest gm of all time and your entitled to your opinion. [/quote]


In his six years drafting for the 49ers, here's a list of 6 of the 7 1st round picks:

1. Armstead, 2. Ward, 3. Ald. Smith, 4. Eric Reid, 5. Anthony Davis, 6. Iupati

But hey, let's get upset that A.J. Jenkins isn't around

[Pattersonca65]

I don't think Armstead is a bust and I don't think most 49er fans feel that way yet. The issue is whether Armstead should have been taken with that pick or was there other better options or pressing needs at this point.

[I_am_1z]

I don't think Armstead is a bust and I don't think most 49er fans feel that way yet. The issue is whether Armstead should have been taken with that pick or was there other better options or pressing needs at this point.

When he was mocked to the 49ers people were already bickering.

[RedneckNiner]

So let's investigate the number 1 picks...
Aj jenkins...dud
Ward 3 good games other than that average corner
iupati.. good lineman now a cardinal piss poor job replacing him with developing and pears
Anthony Davis retired might come back next year
Alston Smith real talent multiple suspensions off the team
Reid 1 year stud 2 years of declining to slightly above average

Baalke is not horrible at finding talent he is in fact average or slightly above. He's had 1 great draft on utter failure of a draft and the rest have been average. Armistead is showing better than I thought and he might develop into a stud.

He also found Lynch, Hyde, Tart, Boone, Bowman and a few others in later rounds. Baalke is not as horrible as some make out however his part in running out Harbaugh and coming up with Tomsula is part of his failing. And to an earlier point he took McDonald over Lacy because he thought Lattimore would work out. McDonald was a waste in the second round. I will be passed if Tomsula is back next year I'll only be disappointed if Baalke is back. But imo it's time to clear it all out give Gamble the reigns to find the new Gm and coach who can share philosophy and get along.

[Pattersonca65]

I don't think Armstead is a bust and I don't think most 49er fans feel that way yet. The issue is whether Armstead should have been taken with that pick or was there other better options or pressing needs at this point.

When he was mocked to the 49ers people were already bickering.

I can understand why. Why take a project with that pick when there were other players available that fit a stronger need.

[I_am_1z]

I don't think Armstead is a bust and I don't think most 49er fans feel that way yet. The issue is whether Armstead should have been taken with that pick or was there other better options or pressing needs at this point.

When he was mocked to the 49ers people were already bickering.

I can understand why. Why take a project with that pick when there were other players available that fit a stronger need.

Would you still say that today with all the injuries?

[RedneckNiner]

I would still say it today even with all the Injuries. Armstead has played better in his first season than I thought he would. I thought he would develop into a good player over time but didn't have high hopes for him this year. But yes given the needs the Niners had going into the season I still would not have drafted him. You get defensive reading someone hates a player when its not about hate or a player being a bust but having different needs. I would probably have gone Marcus Peters or Shane Ray. Again your fighting over semantics. Tart I like Tart and he panned out with Bethea being injured But I would have gone Denzel Perryman at ILB. Tart is a better choice in hindsight given the injures but Having gone Marcus Peters in the first Ward could have moved to safety to replace Bethea and Perryman would have been a replacement for Willis.

[Pattersonca65]

When he was mocked to the 49ers people were already bickering.

I can understand why. Why take a project with that pick when there were other players available that fit a stronger need.

Would you still say that today with all the injuries?

Injuries are random and it isn't something you can plan on. As Redneckniner posted above, there were bigger more pressing issues for the 49ers than a project Dlineman.