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thesack12 wrote:I didn't see anything in that article indicating Jordan Mathews would be coming to Frisco in a potential Torrey Smith trade.

But, it did mention that at the trade deadline Philly was offering a 5th and Baalke insisted on a 3rd. Just yet another terrible decision by Baalke. Torrey Smith was, is, and will be a colossal bust of a free agent signing. He's as one dimensional of a WR as they come, and he's not even great at that one dimension. If you have a chance to get anything of positive value for him, do it and do it now. I'd even offer to cover Smith's salary to move him for a draft pick. Would be doubly beneficial for the 9ers in getting an asset for a player who doesn't fit at all and still helps the team get to the salary floor.

Dodub wrote:

thesack12 wrote:I didn't see anything in that article indicating Jordan Mathews would be coming to Frisco in a potential Torrey Smith trade.

But, it did mention that at the trade deadline Philly was offering a 5th and Baalke insisted on a 3rd. Just yet another terrible decision by Baalke. Torrey Smith was, is, and will be a colossal bust of a free agent signing. He's as one dimensional of a WR as they come, and he's not even great at that one dimension. If you have a chance to get anything of positive value for him, do it and do it now. I'd even offer to cover Smith's salary to move him for a draft pick. Would be doubly beneficial for the 9ers in getting an asset for a player who doesn't fit at all and still helps the team get to the salary floor.

It talks about Matthews at the end of the article and being in a contract Year and such. It also talks about a player for player deal being best

Dodub wrote:

thesack12 wrote:I didn't see anything in that article indicating Jordan Mathews would be coming to Frisco in a potential Torrey Smith trade.

But, it did mention that at the trade deadline Philly was offering a 5th and Baalke insisted on a 3rd. Just yet another terrible decision by Baalke. Torrey Smith was, is, and will be a colossal bust of a free agent signing. He's as one dimensional of a WR as they come, and he's not even great at that one dimension. If you have a chance to get anything of positive value for him, do it and do it now. I'd even offer to cover Smith's salary to move him for a draft pick. Would be doubly beneficial for the 9ers in getting an asset for a player who doesn't fit at all and still helps the team get to the salary floor.

It talks about Matthews at the end of the article and being in a contract Year and such. It also talks about a player for player deal being best

However, because Jordan Matthews is likely to be the team's slot receiver and Smith is due roughly $13.2 million over the remaining three years of his contract and could be cost prohibitive.

thesack12 wrote:

Dodub wrote:

thesack12 wrote:I didn't see anything in that article indicating Jordan Mathews would be coming to Frisco in a potential Torrey Smith trade.

But, it did mention that at the trade deadline Philly was offering a 5th and Baalke insisted on a 3rd. Just yet another terrible decision by Baalke. Torrey Smith was, is, and will be a colossal bust of a free agent signing. He's as one dimensional of a WR as they come, and he's not even great at that one dimension. If you have a chance to get anything of positive value for him, do it and do it now. I'd even offer to cover Smith's salary to move him for a draft pick. Would be doubly beneficial for the 9ers in getting an asset for a player who doesn't fit at all and still helps the team get to the salary floor.

It talks about Matthews at the end of the article and being in a contract Year and such. It also talks about a player for player deal being best

I guess its a matter of 2 people reading the same thing, yet coming away with different conclusions.

However, because Jordan Matthews is likely to be the team's slot receiver and Smith is due roughly $13.2 million over the remaining three years of his contract and could be cost prohibitive.

This is the only time Mathews is mentioned in the article. It mentions that the talk at the trade deadline was solely draft picks for Smith being discussed. The potential "player for player" hypothetical was made after talking about how the team will likely not want to part with draft picks, shadowing on the weak WR free agent class, and how Philly doesn't have much cap space. This was several paragraphs after Mathews was mentioned. To me that says because of their situation they should look to explore player for player trades as a generic option.

While I would love a Mathews for Smith trade to happen, I don't think that was ever in the discussion nor ever will be. It makes no sense for a team looking to upgrade at WR to trade its best player at the position for a worse more expensive one.

Dodub wrote:

thesack12 wrote:

Dodub wrote:
It talks about Matthews at the end of the article and being in a contract Year and such. It also talks about a player for player deal being best

I guess its a matter of 2 people reading the same thing, yet coming away with different conclusions.

However, because Jordan Matthews is likely to be the team's slot receiver and Smith is due roughly $13.2 million over the remaining three years of his contract and could be cost prohibitive.

This is the only time Mathews is mentioned in the article. It mentions that the talk at the trade deadline was solely draft picks for Smith being discussed. The potential "player for player" hypothetical was made after talking about how the team will likely not want to part with draft picks, shadowing on the weak WR free agent class, and how Philly doesn't have much cap space. This was several paragraphs after Mathews was mentioned. To me that says because of their situation they should look to explore player for player trades as a generic option.

While I would love a Mathews for Smith trade to happen, I don't think that was ever in the discussion nor ever will be. It makes no sense for a team looking to upgrade at WR to trade its best player at the position for a worse more expensive one.

The Eagles are looking to upgrade their WR position outside of the numbers and upgrade their deep speed. Matthews offers neither of these things as he's their slot receiver. They have a big decision to make on him and frankly, I'm not sure that they're willing to give him a big contract at the moment.

thesack12 wrote:

Dodub wrote:

thesack12 wrote:
I guess its a matter of 2 people reading the same thing, yet coming away with different conclusions.



This is the only time Mathews is mentioned in the article. It mentions that the talk at the trade deadline was solely draft picks for Smith being discussed. The potential "player for player" hypothetical was made after talking about how the team will likely not want to part with draft picks, shadowing on the weak WR free agent class, and how Philly doesn't have much cap space. This was several paragraphs after Mathews was mentioned. To me that says because of their situation they should look to explore player for player trades as a generic option.

While I would love a Mathews for Smith trade to happen, I don't think that was ever in the discussion nor ever will be. It makes no sense for a team looking to upgrade at WR to trade its best player at the position for a worse more expensive one.

The Eagles are looking to upgrade their WR position outside of the numbers and upgrade their deep speed. Matthews offers neither of these things as he's their slot receiver. They have a big decision to make on him and frankly, I'm not sure that they're willing to give him a big contract at the moment.

Of course, Smith and Mathews are different types of WR's. Still doesn't change that Philly would be beyond stupid to trade Mathews for Smith. Even if you want to argue Smith would help them on the outside, trading Mathews for him would rip open a gaping hole inside. If Philly is interested in Smith it is to put him with Mathews.

Also regarding contracts, its not like Torrey's deal would be an attractive alternative to paying Mathews for them (unless the 9ers pick up the money owed to him.) They would be much better off letting Mathews play out his last year and simply getting the compensatory pick if they let him leave.

thesack12 wrote:

Dodub wrote:

thesack12 wrote:
I guess its a matter of 2 people reading the same thing, yet coming away with different conclusions.



This is the only time Mathews is mentioned in the article. It mentions that the talk at the trade deadline was solely draft picks for Smith being discussed. The potential "player for player" hypothetical was made after talking about how the team will likely not want to part with draft picks, shadowing on the weak WR free agent class, and how Philly doesn't have much cap space. This was several paragraphs after Mathews was mentioned. To me that says because of their situation they should look to explore player for player trades as a generic option.

While I would love a Mathews for Smith trade to happen, I don't think that was ever in the discussion nor ever will be. It makes no sense for a team looking to upgrade at WR to trade its best player at the position for a worse more expensive one.

The Eagles are looking to upgrade their WR position outside of the numbers and upgrade their deep speed. Matthews offers neither of these things as he's their slot receiver. They have a big decision to make on him and frankly, I'm not sure that they're willing to give him a big contract at the moment.

Of course, Smith and Mathews are different types of WR's. Still doesn't change that Philly would be beyond stupid to trade Mathews for Smith. Even if you want to argue Smith would help them on the outside, trading Mathews for him would rip open a gaping hole inside. If Philly is interested in Smith it is to put him with Mathews.

Also regarding contracts, its not like Torrey's deal would be an attractive alternative to paying Mathews for them (unless the 9ers pick up the money owed to him.) They would be much better off letting Mathews play out his last year and simply getting the compensatory pick if they let him leave.

Dodub wrote:

thesack12 wrote:

Dodub wrote:
The Eagles are looking to upgrade their WR position outside of the numbers and upgrade their deep speed. Matthews offers neither of these things as he's their slot receiver. They have a big decision to make on him and frankly, I'm not sure that they're willing to give him a big contract at the moment.

Of course, Smith and Mathews are different types of WR's. Still doesn't change that Philly would be beyond stupid to trade Mathews for Smith. Even if you want to argue Smith would help them on the outside, trading Mathews for him would rip open a gaping hole inside. If Philly is interested in Smith it is to put him with Mathews.

Also regarding contracts, its not like Torrey's deal would be an attractive alternative to paying Mathews for them (unless the 9ers pick up the money owed to him.) They would be much better off letting Mathews play out his last year and simply getting the compensatory pick if they let him leave.

I don't think you fully understand their situation, they have tons of guys who can work as a slot but nothing on the outside so it wouldn't rip a whole inside.

They ARE going to get a WR this offseason who will be their #1 target on the outside. Matthews isn't going to be their #1 option but at this point he will likely require a big contract.

There's debate going on as to if they will even extend him at all. If you have a guy that you aren't sure fits into your future then why not get a player that fits a gigantic need on several fronts? Eagles aren't in a win now mode.

NinerSickness wrote:I Said Torrey was a stupid signing from the beginning.

Baalke was riding Jim Harbaugh's coat tails. He sucked. Imagine what Jim could've done w/ a competent GM.