How patient will Kyle be?

[wco81]

One would assume Kyle and Lynch are keeping their powder dry, at least in the first season.

They had a ton of cap space so they could have plugged some glaring holes, like at Guard.

But they're in a division with one of the favorites to win the NFC. Seattle is going all-in this season, with trades, FA signings and giving new deals to their older players like Bennett and Chancellor.

Steady improvement should have this team drastically improving the talent level, assuming they don't draft like Baalke, as Seattle's window closes in a couple of years.

But when he goes for 4th down twice with that OL and ends up giving up points, those decisions seem to belie some impatience.

If Baalke's first and second round picks all flame out, Kyle may go free agency and trades, rather than replacing guys like Buckner, Armstead, Tartt, Garnett, etc.

49ers fans may have to settle this season for signs of improvement, like maybe averaging 20 points by the latter part of the season, some kind of production from players like Thomas, Foster, Kittles, Breda.

[NinerSickness]

[Jikkle]

With the amount of roster turnover and the number of young guys they kept on the roster they are probably looking at around a 3 year rebuild.

Which is why I'm ok with their strategy for now. I think you go all in during the offseason with FA and trades when your window is open not when you're a couple years away.

They both have 6 year deals that IIRC doesn't include offset language so they know that odds are really strong that they won't be on a hot seat until after year 4 of their deals. They won't be under any pressure until year 3 at the earliest.

[Dodub]

I think they'll be fairly patient. They need a QB before they start thinking playoffs. Also the OL needs major upgrades

[CalamityX12]

I'm good with the 4th down calls but not the plays themselves. Kyle needs to find his own groove back and then the right personnel to run it.

OL needs work ASAP. We saw the ball moved but needs better plays to maximize the effects.

[wco81]

I think you go all in during the offseason with FA and trades when your window is open not when you're a couple years away.

It'll be interesting to see if they approach free agency and trades differently than Baalke did.

When the 49ers were in the window, Baalke stood pat (although the first year, they made some FA signings like Carlos Rogers, who had a great first year with the team), pretty inflexible about his philosophy of "draft and develop."

Contrast that with Schneider and Carroll, who made trades for big names and signed free agents like Bennett and Avril or Jimmy Graham and now this year, guys like Sheldon Richardson.

Obviously their approach was the correct one rather than what Baalke did, though maybe the big thing was that their GM and HC didn't fight with each other while the 49ers brass couldn't co-exist with Harbaugh and decided to undermine him.

[wco81]

Here were the FA guards this past offseason.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/guard/

Maybe Kyle and Lynch thought they'd be okay not giving out a big contract to a G this year.

Or maybe they didn't see how bad the guards on the roster would be.

Boone and Tillerson signed pretty cheap 1-year deals so maybe the team could have offered them comparable deals as stopgaps.

[Jikkle]

They acquired Laken Tomlinson recently and my guess is they have every intention of starting him when they feel he's up to speed with the offense.

I think Kyle and Lynch's idea was to address the areas that could by making deals that made sense and not force anything yet. I mean it's not like they didn't at least try to do something with the offensive line but Garnett got hurt in TC and guys like Zuttah didn't pan out so they just got stuck with Beadles starting for now.

[Pattersonca65]

One would assume Kyle and Lynch are keeping their powder dry, at least in the first season.

They had a ton of cap space so they could have plugged some glaring holes, like at Guard.

But they're in a division with one of the favorites to win the NFC. Seattle is going all-in this season, with trades, FA signings and giving new deals to their older players like Bennett and Chancellor.

Steady improvement should have this team drastically improving the talent level, assuming they don't draft like Baalke, as Seattle's window closes in a couple of years.

But when he goes for 4th down twice with that OL and ends up giving up points, those decisions seem to belie some impatience.

If Baalke's first and second round picks all flame out, Kyle may go free agency and trades, rather than replacing guys like Buckner, Armstead, Tartt, Garnett, etc.

49ers fans may have to settle this season for signs of improvement, like maybe averaging 20 points by the latter part of the season, some kind of production from players like Thomas, Foster, Kittles, Breda.

Seattle is in a much different place. Their window might be closing in the next couple of years. You have a few key players going into their 30's. I think part of the reason they've had to go to free agency is because they have not drafted well since 2013. I heard there are only something like four players remaining on the team from the past few drafts.

We have to be realistic. Even the great Bill Walsh took three years to turn the 49ers around. Same with Jimmy Johnson. His first year was really bad. The 49ers are basically doing a major overhaul and installing a new offense and defense. I think we might continue to see a purge in Baalke's draft picks if they don't pan out. Players like Tank and Ward will be gone next year if they fail to produce

[49er4life1979]

It'll be interesting to see if they approach free agency and trades differently than Baalke did.

When the 49ers were in the window, Baalke stood pat (although the first year, they made some FA signings like Carlos Rogers, who had a great first year with the team), pretty inflexible about his philosophy of "draft and develop."

Contrast that with Schneider and Carroll, who made trades for big names and signed free agents like Bennett and Avril or Jimmy Graham and now this year, guys like Sheldon Richardson.

Obviously their approach was the correct one rather than what Baalke did, though maybe the big thing was that their GM and HC didn't fight with each other while the 49ers brass couldn't co-exist with Harbaugh and decided to undermine him.[/quote]

I think they already did show they are different than Baalke. They actually went out and signed a competent WR in Pierre Garcon. They also doled out big $ deals to Malcolm Smith and Kyle Jyszczyk which Baalke NEVER would have done.

[I_am_1z]

I still believe Jim Tomsula was wrongly fired and I felt his firing had a lot to do with fans in the Bay not seeing the big picture.

Kyle seems to already be rustling feathers. I don't believe castrating Bowman is the answer to becoming the alpha male of the team.

[Ray_Dogg]

I still believe Jim Tomsula was wrongly fired and I felt his firing had a lot to do with fans in the Bay not seeing the big picture.

Kyle seems to already be rustling feathers. I don't believe castrating Bowman is the answer to becoming the alpha male of the team.

Skip Bayless.

[wco81]

What big picture is that?

Nobody sees Tomsula as some hidden genius.

Meanwhile Kyle is seen as one of the best offensive minds in the game.

Maybe Tomsula will make players feel better but does that make them more accountable for their performance? Maybe Kyle will burn out players and eventually lose the locker room. But I'm willing to take that chance.

[Pattersonca65]

I still believe Jim Tomsula was wrongly fired and I felt his firing had a lot to do with fans in the Bay not seeing the big picture.

Kyle seems to already be rustling feathers. I don't believe castrating Bowman is the answer to becoming the alpha male of the team.

It is unfortunate Tomsula was fired after one year. He should have never been hired in the first place. He clearly does not have the experience or the skills to be a successful head coach. He is a good position coach but that is probably his ceiling. Baalke should have been fired for hiring him in the first place over Gase. I never thought Baalke could be that dumb but after what Gase said I was wrong. Both Baalke and Tomsula should have been let go then a new GM/Coach combo come in last year instead of bringing in Chip Kelly only to fire him one year later.

[I_am_1z]

I still believe Jim Tomsula was wrongly fired and I felt his firing had a lot to do with fans in the Bay not seeing the big picture.

Kyle seems to already be rustling feathers. I don't believe castrating Bowman is the answer to becoming the alpha male of the team.

Skip Bayless.

If you're inferring that I'm wrong, that would mean going out to hire Chip Kelly was right in your mind. In an ideal coaching FA market, firing Tomsula would have been the clear choice. But we went out and asked around until Chip Kelly, who IIRC, was interviewed in his sweatpants inside his home in Buffalo, NY was hired. Keeping Tomsula a second year doesn't undermine the rebuild and would have saved the Yorks money. Especially with hindsight, how do you still see the Tomsula firing as the right move?

[Jikkle]

I still believe Jim Tomsula was wrongly fired and I felt his firing had a lot to do with fans in the Bay not seeing the big picture.

Kyle seems to already be rustling feathers. I don't believe castrating Bowman is the answer to becoming the alpha male of the team.

Skip Bayless.

If you're inferring that I'm wrong, that would mean going out to hire Chip Kelly was right in your mind. In an ideal coaching FA market, firing Tomsula would have been the clear choice. But we went out and asked around until Chip Kelly, who IIRC, was interviewed in his sweatpants inside his home in Buffalo, NY was hired. Keeping Tomsula a second year doesn't undermine the rebuild and would have saved the Yorks money. Especially with hindsight, how do you still see the Tomsula firing as the right move?

The wrong move on the Yorks part wasn't firing Tomsula but retaining Baalke.

At that point Baalke's reputation was so toxic nobody decent wanted to work with him so they had no choice but to roll the dice on Chip Kelly.

[I_am_1z]

Skip Bayless.

If you're inferring that I'm wrong, that would mean going out to hire Chip Kelly was right in your mind. In an ideal coaching FA market, firing Tomsula would have been the clear choice. But we went out and asked around until Chip Kelly, who IIRC, was interviewed in his sweatpants inside his home in Buffalo, NY was hired. Keeping Tomsula a second year doesn't undermine the rebuild and would have saved the Yorks money. Especially with hindsight, how do you still see the Tomsula firing as the right move?

The wrong move on the Yorks part wasn't firing Tomsula but retaining Baalke.

At that point Baalke's reputation was so toxic nobody decent wanted to work with him so they had no choice but to roll the dice on Chip Kelly.

He could have easily stayed pat with Jim Tom.

[RedneckNiner]

Yes he easily could have stood pat with Jim HARBAUGH.. as for Tomsula they could have done better and never should of hired him.. jeddy and Baalke just wanted an affable puppet...

[Ray_Dogg]

I still believe Jim Tomsula was wrongly fired and I felt his firing had a lot to do with fans in the Bay not seeing the big picture.

Kyle seems to already be rustling feathers. I don't believe castrating Bowman is the answer to becoming the alpha male of the team.

Skip Bayless.

If you're inferring that I'm wrong, that would mean going out to hire Chip Kelly was right in your mind. In an ideal coaching FA market, firing Tomsula would have been the clear choice. But we went out and asked around until Chip Kelly, who IIRC, was interviewed in his sweatpants inside his home in Buffalo, NY was hired. Keeping Tomsula a second year doesn't undermine the rebuild and would have saved the Yorks money. Especially with hindsight, how do you still see the Tomsula firing as the right move?

Yes. You are wrong. You fire a guy if he is wrong for the job. Period. Tomsula was not the guy. So he was fired. This was 100% the correct decision.

[I_am_1z]

Skip Bayless.

If you're inferring that I'm wrong, that would mean going out to hire Chip Kelly was right in your mind. In an ideal coaching FA market, firing Tomsula would have been the clear choice. But we went out and asked around until Chip Kelly, who IIRC, was interviewed in his sweatpants inside his home in Buffalo, NY was hired. Keeping Tomsula a second year doesn't undermine the rebuild and would have saved the Yorks money. Especially with hindsight, how do you still see the Tomsula firing as the right move?

Yes. You are wrong. You fire a guy if he is wrong for the job. Period. Tomsula was not the guy. So he was fired. This was 100% the correct decision.

Is this why respectable analysts such as Louis Riddick believe if you fire a coach, you better have someone in mind to take his place?