Jalen Ramsey

wco81 · Post #1 » by **wco81** » Tue Sep 17, 2019 7:47 pm

Is he the missing piece to elevate the team to a contender, or at least make the defense top 10? He may make sense for contenders to get that last piece or at least keep him away from other teams:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ftw/2019/09/16/5-nfl-contenders-that-should-trade-for-jalen-ramsey/40160401/

He becomes UFA in 2021. His cap number this season is $7.4 million and his fifth year option in 2020 will be $13.7 million.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/jacksonville-jaguars/jalen-ramsey-18953/

If the 49ers give up a first-round pick, maybe they solidify the defense and can make that pick end up in the late teens or the 20s.

Of course if you give up a lot, you have to be sure to re-sign him, unless they're going to play franchise tag games for a couple of seasons.

He'd probably command at least $60 million guaranteed? He will be just about 27 when he becomes UFA. So he might be able to complete a 5-year deal and still be a top level starting CB at the end of that deal.

But if they give him a big contract, does that mean the 49ers wouldn't be able to retain all their other players, for instance Kittle, Buckner in a year or two and McGlinchey and Bosa in 3-4 years?

Plus a couple of seasons from now, Jimmy G. will be nearing the end of his deal. Unless they've drafted another QB prospect with the high-pick, you would think they'd extend him.

Is the 49ers window now, while Jimmy G is only in the second year of his deal and they just gave a big contract to Ford while they don't have to pay Kittle, Buckner, McGlinchy and Bosa yet?

Or do they have to re-start in 3-4 years anyways, maybe with a new HC and GM?

NinerSickness · Post #2 » by **NinerSickness** » Tue Sep 17, 2019 9:21 pm

wco81 wrote:Is he the missing piece to elevate the team to a contender, or at least make the defense top 10? He may make sense for contenders to get that last piece or at least keep him away from other teams:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ftw/2019/09/16/5-nfl-contenders-that-should-trade-for-jalen-ramsey/40160401/

He becomes UFA in 2021. His cap number this season is $7.4 million and his fifth year option in 2020 will be $13.7 million.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/jacksonville-jaguars/jalen-ramsey-18953/

If the 49ers give up a first-round pick, maybe they solidify the defense and can make that pick end up in the late teens or the 20s.

Of course if you give up a lot, you have to be sure to re-sign him, unless they're going to play franchise tag games for a couple of seasons.

He'd probably command at least $60 million guaranteed? He will be just about 27 when he becomes UFA. So he might be able to complete a 5-year deal and still be a top level starting CB at the end of that deal.

But if they give him a big contract, does that mean the 49ers wouldn't be able to retain all their other players, for instance Kittle, Buckner in a year or two and McGlinchey and Bosa in 3-4 years?

Plus a couple of seasons from now, Jimmy G. will be nearing the end of his deal. Unless they've drafted another QB prospect with the high-pick, you would think they'd extend him.

Is the 49ers window now, while Jimmy G is only in the second year of his deal and they just gave a big contract to Ford while they don't have to pay Kittle, Buckner, McGlinchy and Bosa yet?

Or do they have to re-start in 3-4 years anyways, maybe with a new HC and GM?

CB has become more & more important to a dominant defense over the years IMO. In fact, CB may now be on par with DE as far as importance.

That said, 2 firsts is too much when the team will have to also give him a record contract. Like I said in the other thread: I'd part with a first & Sherman, but not much more.

Jikkle · Post #3 » by **Jikkle** » Tue Sep 17, 2019 10:52 pm

Jags are asking for two 1st rounders and no way I would give up that and than have to sign him to a mega deal.

If Ahkello was sucking I'd say the 9ers need to be more proactive in getting him but with him playing at a high level they can afford to keep tabs on Ramsey's market and snag him for a more reasonable price.

wco81 · Post #4 » by **wco81** » Tue Sep 17, 2019 11:02 pm

Beyond CB, would a #1 WR lift the team into contention more than any other position of need?

AJ Green will be a UFA next year but he's also 32.

Cooper is 26 and will be a UFA in 2020 and the Cowboys have every reason to re-sign him but after big contracts to Zack and Dak, will they pay him or just franchise tag him?

Bald Bull · Post #5 » by **Bald Bull** » Tue Sep 17, 2019 11:29 pm

keep in mind we also gave up a 2nd for ford, so we wont pick till the 3rd round. still need staley's replacement and interior linemen. How deep is the next draft in linemen?

Bald Bull · Post #6 » by **Bald Bull** » Tue Sep 17, 2019 11:30 pm

wco81 wrote:Beyond CB, would a #1 WR lift the team into contention more than any other position of need?

AJ Green will be a UFA next year but he's also 32.

Cooper is 26 and will be a UFA in 2020 and the Cowboys have every reason to re-sign him but after big contracts to Zack and Dak, will they pay him or just franchise tag him?

we already have Deebo

ChrisPozz · Post #7 » by **ChrisPozz** » Wed Sep 18, 2019 5:16 am

Read on Twitter

I've never once read any of Mott's work - reporting or other. Therefore, I don't know how to take that at all. At least I do not recall if I have and I read A TON of people.

If Allbright is saying that, it's a wee bit more interesting since I'm very familiar with his work, though it's still FAR, FAR from the stages of registering emotionally for me as a 49ers fan.

Jikkle · Post #8 » by **Jikkle** » Wed Sep 18, 2019 6:17 am

ChrisPozz wrote:

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I've never once read any of Mott's work - reporting or other. Therefore, I don't know how to take that at all. At least I do not recall if I have and I read A TON of people.

If Allbright is saying that, it's a wee bit more interesting since I'm very familiar with his work, though it's still FAR, FAR from the stages of registering emotionally for me as a 49ers fan.

I'll lean on it being true because I'm pretty sure most teams in the league that could afford to resign him would offer a 1st and another mid to late round pick for him. Especially a team like the 9ers who are in the stages of trying to breakthrough and become a playoff team.

I just think we as fans tend to not understand how often GMs around the league talk and how often offers are thrown out there and how often they go nowhere.

NinerSickness · Post #9 » by **NinerSickness** » Wed Sep 18, 2019 6:58 am

Niners better not f**k up this opportunity by overpaying.

Ramsey would make the Niners' defense easily the best unit in the NFL; but losing 2 first-round picks would screw the team over the next 5 years.

ChrisPozz · Post #10 » by **ChrisPozz** » Wed Sep 18, 2019 2:05 pm

Jalen Ramsey unlikely to be traded prior to 'TNF' game

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001056283/article/jalen-ramsey-unlikely-to-be-traded-prior-to-tnf-game?campaign=Twitter_atn

ChrisPozz · Post #11 » by **ChrisPozz** » Wed Sep 18, 2019 5:40 pm

Source: 49ers 'not in' on Jaguars' Jalen Ramsey trade talks

https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/49ers/source-49ers-not-jaguars-jalen-ramsey-trade-talks

CrimsonCrew · Post #12 » by **CrimsonCrew** » Wed Sep 18, 2019 6:24 pm

Bald Bull wrote:
wco81 wrote:Beyond CB, would a #1 WR lift the team into contention more than any other position of need?

AJ Green will be a UFA next year but he's also 32.

Cooper is 26 and will be a UFA in 2020 and the Cowboys have every reason to re-sign him but after big contracts to Zack and Dak, will they pay him or just franchise tag him?

we already have Deebo

You've moved on from Pettis incredibly quickly....

wco81 · Post #13 » by **wco81** » Wed Sep 18, 2019 6:48 pm

Trade deadline is end of October so that's about half way through the season.

Teams with good records by then may be willing to pay a higher price for Ramsey than they are now.

If nothing else to keep him from other contending teams.

Bald Bull · Post #14 » by **Bald Bull** » Wed Sep 18, 2019 9:34 pm

CrimsonCrew wrote:
Bald Bull wrote:
wco81 wrote:Beyond CB, would a #1 WR lift the team into contention more than any other position of need?

AJ Green will be a UFA next year but he's also 32.

Cooper is 26 and will be a UFA in 2020 and the Cowboys have every reason to re-sign him but after big contracts to Zack and Dak, will they pay him or just franchise tag him?

we already have Deebo

You've moved on from Pettis incredibly quickly....

liking deebo doesn't mean i don't like pettis.

CrimsonCrew · Post #15 » by **CrimsonCrew** » Wed Sep 18, 2019 9:56 pm

Bald Bull wrote:
CrimsonCrew wrote:
Bald Bull wrote:
we already have Deebo

You've moved on from Pettis incredibly quickly....

liking deebo doesn't mean i don't like pettis.

Sure, and I like certain aspects of Pettis' game, and would like to see him out there more. But the fact of the matter, right now, is that Pettis is not looking to be anywhere near worth the pick that was used on him.

ChrisPozz · Post #16 » by **ChrisPozz** » Thu Sep 19, 2019 6:30 pm

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ChrisPozz · Post #17 » by **ChrisPozz** » Thu Sep 19, 2019 6:41 pm

ChrisPozz wrote:

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wco81 · Post #18 » by **wco81** » Mon Sep 23, 2019 12:22 am

Even before Witherspoon got hurt, the secondary was shaky.

If you don't have a pro bowl level CB, you need a ball hawking safety to help out the corners, though in this day of spread offenses, the FS can't be everywhere.

The secondary may be the 49ers' downfall, at least on defense. Ramsey still too expensive but if by the end of Oct just before the trade deadline, the 49ers are vying for one of the top two seeds in the NFC, it will be even more tempting if Ramsey is still on the trading block.

I_am_1z · Post #19 » by **I_am_1z** » Mon Sep 23, 2019 1:01 am

Call in Chris(tian) Campbell

NinerSickness · Post #20 » by **NinerSickness** » Fri Feb 7, 2020 8:05 am

wco81 wrote:The secondary may be the 49ers' downfall, at least on defense. Ramsey still too expensive but if by the end of Oct just before the trade deadline, the 49ers are vying for one of the top two seeds in the NFC, it will be even more tempting if Ramsey is still on the trading block.

If the Niners traded for Ramsey like they should have, they would have ring #6 now. :banghead: