Armstead

Dodub · Post #1 » by **Dodub** » Mon Nov 25, 2019 2:42 pm

I think it’s pretty safe to say that he’s going to be a very hot commodity on the free agent market if we let him go. I also think that it’s safe to say that he’s not going anywhere. A major part of our success if our DL and the way that they work together, losing a key piece would be a huge step backwards for our defense.

At very least, I feel like we need to franchise him if for nothing else to see if he can continue to play at such a high level. This season he’s played at a level of Buckner which is very scary.

Dodub · Post #2 » by **Dodub** » Mon Nov 25, 2019 2:45 pm

To add to my previous post, we MUST keep Armstead. I just don’t think that it’s a great idea to get in a bidding war for him THIS year after he’s already made it to double digit sacks and is playing like one of the best DE/DT in the NFL. Franchise would likely be our best bet with him as we could get a lower price if his production were to dip a bit

NinerSickness · Post #3 » by **NinerSickness** » Mon Nov 25, 2019 6:56 pm

Dodub wrote:To add to my previous post, we MUST keep Armstead. I just don’t think that it’s a great idea to get in a bidding war for him THIS year after he’s already made it to double digit sacks and is playing like one of the best DE/DT in the NFL. Franchise would likely be our best bet with him as we could get a lower price if his production were to dip a bit

Smart move is to tag him. Get another contract year out of him.

I think a long-term contract for him would be a huge mistake. Save that money for Buckner.

Bingo_AlphaMan · Post #4 » by **Bingo_AlphaMan** » Mon Nov 25, 2019 7:25 pm

I'm a big fan of Jessie. I haven't been shy about it either in other posts/threads we had in the offseason. We must keep him.

Another player that has been playing better than expected is Jimmie Ward. He's starting to grow on me.

Samurai · Post #5 » by **Samurai** » Mon Nov 25, 2019 11:14 pm

I'd love to keep Armstead but it seems the math is pretty challenging. I think the Niners will have around $25M in cap space heading into next year. The team has already stated that they would like to use that for Buckner and Kittle. The franchise tag for DE's is around $19M. They could create about $8.5M by clearing McKinnon and maybe $4.9M if they drop Tevin Coleman. Not sure I am seeing what some others are seeing as to how they make the math work.

NinerSickness · Post #6 » by **NinerSickness** » Tue Nov 26, 2019 12:18 am

Bingo_AlphaMan wrote:I'm a big fan of Jessie. I haven't been shy about it either in other posts/threads we had in the offseason. We must keep him.

Another player that has been playing better than expected is Jimmie Ward. He's starting to grow on me.

I don’t trust either one of these guys with a long term contract. Ward is always injured, and I think the best way to go with Armstead is to franchise him for one more year and let him walk. That gives the team two years to find a replacement for him, and I don’t think that will be a problem.

As far as the cap goes, the long-term health of the salary cap is pretty good. They can do for money and a lot of places if they need to shore up some room for a Super Bowl run or two.

Bingo_AlphaMan · Post #7 » by **Bingo_AlphaMan** » Tue Nov 26, 2019 4:38 pm

NinerSickness wrote:
Bingo_AlphaMan wrote:I'm a big fan of Jessie. I haven't been shy about it either in other posts/threads we had in the offseason. We must keep him.

Another player that has been playing better than expected is Jimmie Ward. He's starting to grow on me.

I don’t trust either one of these guys with a long term contract. Ward is always injured, and I think the best way to go with Armstead is to franchise him for one more year and let him walk. That gives the team two years to find a replacement for him, and I don’t think that will be a problem.

As far as the cap goes, the long-term health of the salary cap is pretty good. They can do for money and a lot of places if they need to shore up some room for a Super Bowl run or two.

The way Ward is playing right now, God forbid if he were get injured (you know how fragile he is. A la Bobby Sanders) the play of our defense will suffer greatly on the back end. There was a lot of talk during OTs and mini camp that Tarvarius Moore was playing very well, rumbling were so loud that I thought that Moore was going to actually win the starting position. Anyway, Ward at the moment is playing at a pro bowl level. I still don’t like his angles at times that he takes on certain plays, which is why I don’t believe in him being that “ideal” safety for us; but still he’s playing flat out great football right now.

NinerSickness · Post #8 » by **NinerSickness** » Tue Nov 26, 2019 5:57 pm

Bingo_AlphaMan wrote:The way Ward is playing right now, God forbid if he were get injured (you know how fragile he is. A la Bobby Sanders) the play of our defense will suffer greatly on the back end. There was a lot of talk during OTs and mini camp that Tarvarius Moore was playing very well, rumbling were so loud that I thought that Moore was going to actually win the starting position. Anyway, Ward at the moment is playing at a pro bowl level. I still don’t like his angles at times that he takes on certain plays, which is why I don’t believe in him being that “ideal” safety for us; but still he’s playing flat out great football right now.

Funny how that tends to happen with players in a contract year.

That's why I hope the team franchises Armstead & gets another dominant year out of him before he goes to the Redskins in 2021 to become fat & happy.

As far as Ward goes, I'd let him test the market. Not sure what other teams are willing to pay for an injury-prone, 29-year-old nickel guy. He's played 8, 16, 11, 7 & 9 games respectively before this season. I'd love to get him back on a 1-year deal if possible.

wco81 · Post #9 » by **wco81** » Tue Nov 26, 2019 5:59 pm

I would think McKinnon is good as gone, as is Brieda.

Probably Goodwin too.

Can they also save money letting Staley go? It would be tough but if they need to find money for younger players, the fact is the team has played well without him playing for most of the season.

Samurai · Post #10 » by **Samurai** » Tue Nov 26, 2019 6:59 pm

NinerSickness wrote:As far as Ward goes, I'd let him test the market. Not sure what other teams are willing to pay for an injury-prone, 29-year-old nickel guy. He's played 8, 16, 11, 7 & 9 games respectively before this season. I'd love to get him back on a 1-year deal if possible.

If Ward leaves, should we use the off-season to see if Sherman can learn to play safety? He'll be 32 next year and a number of great cornerbacks (Ronnie Lott, Charles Woodson, Rod Woodson, Aeneas Williams, etc.) have extended their careers by moving to safety. Sherman himself had previously expressed some interest in eventually moving to free safety. Seems that Witherspoon, Mosely, and Williams can handle the cornerback responsibilities.

Samurai · Post #11 » by **Samurai** » Tue Nov 26, 2019 7:04 pm

Also a real bummer that Damontre Moore broke his forearm against the Packers; he had our fifth highest PFF grade against the Packers (just behind Armstead!). If Dee Ford can't go against Baltimore, our D-Line will be at a disadvantage against the league's most dangerous quarterback.

wco81 · Post #12 » by **wco81** » Tue Nov 26, 2019 8:13 pm

Isn't Sherman's contract up as well after this season?

They got a bargain deal with him. IIRC, he could only earn more money by making the Pro Bowl or something.

He might this season, since the defense is performing so well.

Not sure if he's the great tackler to be a safety though.

wco81 · Post #13 » by **wco81** » Tue Nov 26, 2019 8:14 pm

NinerSickness wrote:
Dodub wrote:To add to my previous post, we MUST keep Armstead. I just don’t think that it’s a great idea to get in a bidding war for him THIS year after he’s already made it to double digit sacks and is playing like one of the best DE/DT in the NFL. Franchise would likely be our best bet with him as we could get a lower price if his production were to dip a bit

Smart move is to tag him. Get another contract year out of him.

I think a long-term contract for him would be a huge mistake. Save that money for Buckner.

Yeah no question if they have to choose between the two they have to choose Buckner for long term.

However, good chance Armstead goes to Pro Bowl this year, maybe even end up All-Pro.

If they tag him and he puts up another big double-digit sack season, it will be very tough to let him go without any compensation.

Bingo_AlphaMan · Post #14 » by **Bingo_AlphaMan** » Tue Nov 26, 2019 8:19 pm

wco81 wrote:Isn't Sherman's contract up as well after this season?

They got a bargain deal with him. IIRC, he could only earn more money by making the Pro Bowl or something.

He might this season, since the defense is performing so well.

Not sure if he's the great tackler to be a safety though
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Herein lies the problem with moving him to safety. He's not physical enough for my liking when it comes to pulling up. However, he used to have some physicality to his game during his prime with the Seahawks.

Samurai · Post #15 » by **Samurai** » Tue Nov 26, 2019 9:43 pm

wco81 wrote:Isn't Sherman's contract up as well after this season?

They got a bargain deal with him. IIRC, he could only earn more money by making the Pro Bowl or something.

He might this season, since the defense is performing so well.

Not sure if he's the great tackler to be a safety though.

Sherman's contract runs through 2020. He becomes a UFA in 2021. Here is what he has said about moving to safety:

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25472162/richard-sherman-san-francisco-49ers-envisions-switch-safety-cornerback

NinerSickness · Post #16 » by **NinerSickness** » Wed Nov 27, 2019 1:38 am

wco81 wrote:If they tag him and he puts up another big double-digit sack season, it will be very tough to let him go without any compensation.

At least they'll probably get a 3rd-round compensatory pick if he gets a monster deal.

The smart move is to try to develop some new blood after 2020 IMO. Who ended up better off? The Lions or the Dolphins when Suh bolted for monster ca$h? I'd say the Lions. Even though they didn't trade him for anything. Armstead has Dana Stubblefield written all over him IMO. Playing next to a monster DT; peaked insanely high in a contract year.

I suppose they could tag him twice, but that cap number is gonna be insane the 2nd time around. Can't see how they could fit him in under the 2021 cap that way.

wco81 · Post #17 » by **wco81** » Wed Nov 27, 2019 2:16 am

Yeah probably right.

Look at how they took Donald out of the game last night.

Great player but I don't think interior linemen are worth that much, though he beats most guards and centers one on one.

Of course they have to pay Buckner and then Bosa in a few years.

Packers made great FA signings with Preston and Za'Darius Smith, both of whom showed some pass rush ability but didn't have any double-digit sack years on their rookie contracts.

But they both have 10 this year, turned around that defense.

Bald Bull · Post #18 » by **Bald Bull** » Wed Nov 27, 2019 4:24 am

NinerSickness wrote:
wco81 wrote:If they tag him and he puts up another big double-digit sack season, it will be very tough to let him go without any compensation.

At least they'll probably get a 3rd-round compensatory pick if he gets a monster deal.

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I haven't considered that. That would soften the blow of losing him, but I want to keep this line together while they're young and peaking for as long as we can afford it. It's the biggest part of our success. We should at-least franchise him for a year.

Bingo_AlphaMan · Post #19 » by **Bingo_AlphaMan** » Thu Feb 6, 2020 2:37 am

ARIK ARMSTEAD
DL, SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS

49ers impending free agent DE Arik Armstead said he's not opposed to receiving the franchise tag this offseason.

"I would love being here," Armstead confirmed. "Trying to go back to the Super Bowl, so however that is seen or has to get done, it’s not really my decision what they want to do with me." The 26-year-old free-agent-to-be closed the regular season with a team-high 10 sacks but made it clear the decision to return in 2020 wasn't up to him. With Emmanuel Sanders, Jimmie Ward, and a handful of other players to negotiate with, the team's final decision on Armstead could ultimately result in a tag-and-trade scenario.
SOURCE: Nick Wagoner on Twitter

Feb 5, 2020, 3:45 PM ET

49er4life1979 · Post #20 » by **49er4life1979** » Thu Feb 6, 2020 12:36 pm

NinerSickness wrote:
Dodub wrote:To add to my previous post, we MUST keep Armstead. I just don’t think that it’s a great idea to get in a bidding war for him THIS year after he’s already made it to double digit sacks and is playing like one of the best DE/DT in the NFL. Franchise would likely be our best bet with him as we could get a lower price if his production were to dip a bit

Smart move is to tag him. Get another contract year out of him.

I think a long-term contract for him would be a huge mistake. Save that money for Buckner.

I agree. I say tag Armstead and keep him one more season. Buckner and Kittle are priority right now for extensions. Also, after the 2020 season, Fred Warner becomes eligible for a second contract, as does McGlinchey. Cant pay everyone. Eventually, they will NEED to pay Bosa without question...As far as UFAs go for this offseason, Sanders to me should be re-signed without a doubt. 2 year deal, with a team option for 3rd. To create additional cap space, they may look into restructuring Jimmy G's and McKinnon's deals, cutting Goodwin, maybe a restructure for Alexander. Long term, we should be good.