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25 years is a long time to wait for a SB win, but I think it's gonna happen in 2 weeks.

Andy Reid was born to choke. Wait for it...

Niners need to hold the Chiefs under 30 pts, imo. They'll find ways to score, but they've got to rattle Mahones the way they did with Rodgers and Cousins.

Catchall wrote:Niners need to hold the Chiefs under 30 pts, imo. They'll find ways to score, but they've got to rattle Mahones the way they did with Rodgers and Cousins.

That'll be no problem at all. Chiefs can't run the ball for s**t, so all the Niners have to do is switch between blitzing & dropping 8 into coverage all day.

Chiefs have a great offense, but it's one-dimensional. And nobody stops the pass better than this D.

NinerSickness wrote:

Catchall wrote:Niners need to hold the Chiefs under 30 pts, imo. They'll find ways to score, but they've got to rattle Mahones the way they did with Rodgers and Cousins.

That'll be no problem at all. Chiefs can't run the ball for s**t, so all the Niners have to do is switch between blitzing & dropping 8 into coverage all day.

Chiefs have a great offense, but it's one-dimensional. And nobody stops the pass better than this D.

That's the key to this one. Mahones is a mobile quarterback who can scramble and make big plays out of second and third options, like a prime Russell Wilson, but he's not a freight train like LJ. He's not going to beat us with his rushes. Just got to get to him and keep him off balance.

I can see the Niners pulling this out 34-27 as long as Garoppolo has a decent game.

Gotta copy the url & open a new tab to watch.

Kwon gets two more weeks to heal up. Him and Tartt on Kelce is my biggest concern

I was having a conversation with one of my friends yesterday, and one thing we discussed is how this 9ers teams could have easily gone undefeated this year and no one in the media is talking about that or even aware of it. All 3 of our losses came at the very last seconds of the game / last play type of thing.

I_am_1z wrote:Kwon gets two more weeks to heal up. Him and Tartt on Kelce is my biggest concern

It’ll be Tartt and Warner if they’re in man. Warner excels in coverage so we’re going to make sure he’s covering their best

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Catchall wrote:

NinerSickness wrote:

Catchall wrote:Niners need to hold the Chiefs under 30 pts, imo. They'll find ways to score, but they've got to rattle Mahones the way they did with Rodgers and Cousins.

That'll be no problem at all. Chiefs can't run the ball for s**t, so all the Niners have to do is switch between blitzing & dropping 8 into coverage all day.

Chiefs have a great offense, but it's one-dimensional. And nobody stops the pass better than this D.

That's the key to this one. Mahones is a mobile quarterback who can scramble and make big plays out of second and third options, like a prime Russell Wilson, but he's not a freight train like LJ. He's not going to beat us with his rushes. Just got to get to him and keep him off balance.

I can see the Niners pulling this out 34-27 as long as Garoppolo has a decent game.

It will be very interesting to see how we can match-up against Mahomes. Some fans like to say that we have been vulnerable to mobile quarterbacks this season, but I can't seem to find any in-game evidence of that. At least I have not found any game-based evidence where our defense with Ford and Alexander playing have been unable to defend mobile quarterbacks. Games without them are not relevant since I assume both will play in the Super Bowl. Getting pressure on Mahomes is critical since clearly no one can match-up with the speed of Tyreke Hill; can't give him time to get open or we will get burned.

NinerSickness wrote:

Catchall wrote:Niners need to hold the Chiefs under 30 pts, imo. They'll find ways to score, but they've got to rattle Mahones the way they did with Rodgers and Cousins.

That'll be no problem at all. Chiefs can't run the ball for s**t, so all the Niners have to do is switch between blitzing & dropping 8 into coverage all day.

Chiefs have a great offense, but it's one-dimensional. And nobody stops the pass better than this D.

He absolutely abused 8 men in coverage against the Titans yesterday. Had all day to pick the secondary apart or must make long runs.

He abused man coverage with his runs against the Texans.

They diagrammed one play where the Titans doubled both Hill and Kelce so he found Watkins for the long TD.

49ers defense is better than Titans or Texans but the backend is vulnerable and if Mahomes can buy time, no defense can hold out that long.

I'm sure there will be stats out about how Mahomes does against blitzes of various numbers of blitzes but I would think that's dangerous because they have several WRs who can win right away and get over the top because of the ridiculous speed.

Someone said that Sherman may be able to keep 1 WR down but there are 3 guys running 4.2 and Kelce. And actually, Sherman has struggled in his career against fast guys. He would have given up a long TD except the safety tackled Adams after Sherman got beat badly.

There's a reason Mahomes has these insane numbers, because he beats all kinds of coverages. 49ers have to hope for some turnovers somewhere and be planning to score a lot.

Samurai wrote:

Catchall wrote:

NinerSickness wrote:
That'll be no problem at all. Chiefs can't run the ball for s**t, so all the Niners have to do is switch between blitzing & dropping 8 into coverage all day.

Chiefs have a great offense, but it's one-dimensional. And nobody stops the pass better than this D.

That's the key to this one. Mahones is a mobile quarterback who can scramble and make big plays out of second and third options, like a prime Russell Wilson, but he's not a freight train like LJ. He's not going to beat us with his rushes. Just got to get to him and keep him off balance.

I can see the Niners pulling this out 34-27 as long as Garoppolo has a decent game.

It will be very interesting to see how we can match-up against Mahomes. Some fans like to say that we have been vulnerable to mobile quarterbacks this season, but I can't seem to find any in-game evidence of that. At least I have not found any game-based evidence where our defense with Ford and Alexander playing have been unable to defend mobile quarterbacks. Games without them are not relevant since I assume both will play in the Super Bowl. Getting pressure on Mahomes is critical since clearly no one can match-up with the speed of Tyreke Hill; can't give him time to get open or we will get burned.

Murray gave them problems in both games. Wilson had some problems but he also made a lot of big plays too. Obviously Lamar made some plays, enough to win.

The second Rams game, they moved Goff outside the pocket a lot to buy time and get some big pass plays.

49ers defense isn't magic. Like everyone else, they're vulnerable if the QB can get outside and has time to launch a deep cross or corner.

Samurai wrote:

Catchall wrote:

NinerSickness wrote:
That'll be no problem at all. Chiefs can't run the ball for s**t, so all the Niners have to do is switch between blitzing & dropping 8 into coverage all day.

Chiefs have a great offense, but it's one-dimensional. And nobody stops the pass better than this D.

That's the key to this one. Mahones is a mobile quarterback who can scramble and make big plays out of second and third options, like a prime Russell Wilson, but he's not a freight train like LJ. He's not going to beat us with his rushes. Just got to get to him and keep him off balance.

I can see the Niners pulling this out 34-27 as long as Garoppolo has a decent game.

It will be very interesting to see how we can match-up against Mahomes. Some fans like to say that we have been vulnerable to mobile quarterbacks this season, but I can't seem to find any in-game evidence of that. At least I have not found any game-based evidence where our defense with Ford and Alexander playing have been unable to defend mobile quarterbacks. Games without them are not relevant since I assume both will play in the Super Bowl. Getting pressure on Mahomes is critical since clearly no one can match-up with the speed of Tyreke Hill; can't give him time to get open or we will get burned.

With Ford, Alexander, and Tart is a different story. That concern popped into existence when they started dealing with injury. Before that we where suffocating everyone. When you have a string of near losses against mobile QBs, and their mobility is a factor keeping them in the game, it's not a hard connection to make.

But at the time, i had zero expectation for Kwon to return, and i wasn't sure how Ford would hold up. They change the discussion.

wco81 wrote:

Samurai wrote:

Catchall wrote:
That's the key to this one. Mahones is a mobile quarterback who can scramble and make big plays out of second and third options, like a prime Russell Wilson, but he's not a freight train like LJ. He's not going to beat us with his rushes. Just got to get to him and keep him off balance.

I can see the Niners pulling this out 34-27 as long as Garoppolo has a decent game.

It will be very interesting to see how we can match-up against Mahomes. Some fans like to say that we have been vulnerable to mobile quarterbacks this season, but I can't seem to find any in-game evidence of that. At least I have not found any game-based evidence where our defense with Ford and Alexander playing have been unable to defend mobile quarterbacks. Games without them are not relevant since I assume both will play in the Super Bowl. Getting pressure on Mahomes is critical since clearly no one can match-up with the speed of Tyreke Hill; can't give him time to get open or we will get burned.

Murray gave them problems in both games. Wilson had some problems but he also made a lot of big plays too. Obviously Lamar made some plays, enough to win.

The second Rams game, they moved Goff outside the pocket a lot to buy time and get some big pass plays.

49ers defense isn't magic. Like everyone else, they're vulnerable if the QB can get outside and has time to launch a deep cross or corner.

Again, my question is how much trouble did Murray and Wilson give us when we had both Ford and Alexander on the field, unless you believe that they won't be playing in the SB. I haven't seen any stats from those games in which our defense was healthy to see how much "trouble" they gave us. If you can post them, then I would accept that as evidence. I think having a healthy defense is different than our defense playing short-handed.

Remember Texans and Titans ranked 29th and 24th in Pass Defense. Niners rank 1st. They won't make it easy on Mahomes, I hope mahomes really believes it's always going to be easy.

Samurai wrote:

wco81 wrote:

Samurai wrote:It will be very interesting to see how we can match-up against Mahomes. Some fans like to say that we have been vulnerable to mobile quarterbacks this season, but I can't seem to find any in-game evidence of that. At least I have not found any game-based evidence where our defense with Ford and Alexander playing have been unable to defend mobile quarterbacks. Games without them are not relevant since I assume both will play in the Super Bowl. Getting pressure on Mahomes is critical since clearly no one can match-up with the speed of Tyreke Hill; can't give him time to get open or we will get burned.

Murray gave them problems in both games. Wilson had some problems but he also made a lot of big plays too. Obviously Lamar made some plays, enough to win.

The second Rams game, they moved Goff outside the pocket a lot to buy time and get some big pass plays.

49ers defense isn't magic. Like everyone else, they're vulnerable if the QB can get outside and has time to launch a deep cross or corner.

Again, my question is how much trouble did Murray and Wilson give us when we had both Ford and Alexander on the field, unless you believe that they won't be playing in the SB. I haven't seen any stats from those games in which our defense was healthy to see how much "trouble" they gave us. If you can post them, then I would accept that as evidence. I think having a healthy defense is different than our defense playing short-handed.

It's an irrelevant question. You're asking for evidence that doesn't exist - not because we played well against mobile QBs with Alexander and Ford on the field, but because we didn't play any mobile QBs at all with both of them on the field. Alexander didn't play against Murray or Wilson this year. He didn't play against Jackson. He played against Winston, Dalton, Rudolph, Mayfield, Goff, Keenum, and Kyle Allen. None of those guys is a threat with his legs. The best runner among them might be Winston, who ran for 250 yards at a 4.2 YPC clip (and that's without a viable run game for most of the season).

There's nothing about the games in which we struggled against mobile QBs that suggests to me that Alexander would have made a stark difference in them. Meanwhile, immobile guys like Goff have hurt this team on designed rollouts. We're going to have to watch for that - though we seem to have made significant improvements since the Rams game, and that's a big element of Rodgers' game that didn't hurt us so badly yesterday.

CrimsonCrew wrote:

Samurai wrote:

wco81 wrote:
Murray gave them problems in both games. Wilson had some problems but he also made a lot of big plays too. Obviously Lamar made some plays, enough to win.

The second Rams game, they moved Goff outside the pocket a lot to buy time and get some big pass plays.

49ers defense isn't magic. Like everyone else, they're vulnerable if the QB can get outside and has time to launch a deep cross or corner.

Again, my question is how much trouble did Murray and Wilson give us when we had both Ford and Alexander on the field, unless you believe that they won't be playing in the SB. I haven't seen any stats from those games in which our defense was healthy to see how much "trouble" they gave us. If you can post them, then I would accept that as evidence. I think having a healthy defense is different than our defense playing short-handed.

It's an irrelevant question. You're asking for evidence that doesn't exist - not because we played well against mobile QBs with Alexander and Ford on the field, but because we didn't play any mobile QBs at all with both of them on the field. Alexander didn't play against Murray or Wilson this year. He didn't play against Jackson. He played against Winston, Dalton, Rudolph, Mayfield, Goff, Keenum, and Kyle Allen. None of those guys is a threat with his legs. The best runner among them might be Winston, who ran for 250 yards at a 4.2 YPC clip (and that's without a viable run game for most of the season).

There's nothing about the games in which we struggled against mobile QBs that suggests to me that Alexander would have made a stark difference in them. Meanwhile, immobile guys like Goff have hurt this team on designed rollouts. We're going to have to watch for that - though we seem to have made significant improvements since the Rams game, and that's a big element of Rodgers' game that didn't hurt us so badly yesterday.

My point is this - just as there is no evidence that we have been successful against mobile quarterbacks, there is also no evidence that our healthy defense cannot be successful against them. I believe that Dee Ford playing alongside guys like Alexander, DeFo, Bosa, Warner, AA, etc., makes this a better defense than the short-handed defense we had when we played Murray, Wilson and Jackson. You may feel that having a healthy defense makes no difference. Fine, but there is no evidence that I have seen to support that. I believe having those guys can make things more difficult for Mahomes than playing short-handed. Mahomes ran a 4.8 40 at the 2017 Scouting Combine; clearly he can outrun a DeFo or AA. Ford ran a 4.53 at his Pro Day; he gives us a pass rusher that can run with Mahomes. You can believe that there is "nothing to suggest" that having Alexander and Ford in the lineup will make a stark difference; I remain unconvinced.