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2024 Training Camp 

Post#1 » by arich35 » Tue Jul 23, 2024 4:25 pm

Camp officially starts this week. He comes the fear day after day of a freak injury happening. Please everyone stay healthy!
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Re: 2024 Training Camp 

Post#2 » by Big J » Tue Jul 23, 2024 11:16 pm

Looking forward to the Grant Cohn/Kyle back & forths.
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Post#3 » by Harry Palmer » Wed Jul 24, 2024 7:57 am

lol, Kyle was asked about Brock being able to change plays at the line and he basically said ‘if you don’t trust me and my offense, feel free to change it, but I don’t know why anyone would.’
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Post#4 » by Big J » Wed Jul 24, 2024 3:53 pm

Harry Palmer wrote:lol, Kyle was asked about Brock being able to change plays at the line and he basically said ‘if you don’t trust me and my offense, feel free to change it, but I don’t know why anyone would.’


This is why we should never spend big money on a QB.
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Post#5 » by Big J » Wed Jul 24, 2024 9:16 pm

Trent and Aiyuk holding out. They saw what the team did for CMC and said do that for me too.
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Post#6 » by arich35 » Thu Jul 25, 2024 1:38 am

Reporters seem to think they can free up more Cap space by giving Trent a signing bonus, maybe that can free up some more space for an Aiyuk extension. I don't really understand how it all works to be honest
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Post#7 » by Harry Palmer » Thu Jul 25, 2024 7:03 am

arich35 wrote:Reporters seem to think they can free up more Cap space by giving Trent a signing bonus, maybe that can free up some more space for an Aiyuk extension. I don't really understand how it all works to be honest



No One does. But thankfully No One works for us.
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Post#8 » by Samurai » Thu Jul 25, 2024 5:45 pm

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arich35 wrote:Reporters seem to think they can free up more Cap space by giving Trent a signing bonus, maybe that can free up some more space for an Aiyuk extension. I don't really understand how it all works to be honest



No One does. But thankfully No One works for us.

I still have faith in Paraag Marathe. If there is any way to dig out of a cap-sized hole, I have faith that Paraag will figure it out.
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Re: 2024 Training Camp 

Post#9 » by Pattersonca65 » Thu Jul 25, 2024 10:43 pm

arich35 wrote:Reporters seem to think they can free up more Cap space by giving Trent a signing bonus, maybe that can free up some more space for an Aiyuk extension. I don't really understand how it all works to be honest


Restructuring a contract and giving a signing bonus spreads the cap hit into future years so you get immediate relief. It is basically kicking the can down the road. Hopefully management is judicious in using these methods as to not creating a future cap crisis.
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Re: 2024 Training Camp 

Post#10 » by Jikkle » Fri Jul 26, 2024 8:53 am

Big J wrote:Trent and Aiyuk holding out. They saw what the team did for CMC and said do that for me too.


Aiyuk is due for an extension as it's pretty standard to get an extension one year out before your contract expires.

In Trent's case he's out of guaranteed money and he's easily the player with the most leverage right now and he can pretty much ask for what he wants and he'll likely get it.

I'm not worried about Trent because like CMC they'll figure out a way to sweeten the pot enough for him to come back.

I think the only way Aiyuk stays is if they move on from Deebo next year and that frees up the space needed to get a deal done with him. Just not a wise use of cap space to pay two WRs big salaries especially in this offense that prefers to run the ball over a high volume passing attack.
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Re: 2024 Training Camp 

Post#11 » by Big J » Fri Jul 26, 2024 2:13 pm

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Big J wrote:Trent and Aiyuk holding out. They saw what the team did for CMC and said do that for me too.


Aiyuk is due for an extension as it's pretty standard to get an extension one year out before your contract expires.

In Trent's case he's out of guaranteed money and he's easily the player with the most leverage right now and he can pretty much ask for what he wants and he'll likely get it.

I'm not worried about Trent because like CMC they'll figure out a way to sweeten the pot enough for him to come back.

I think the only way Aiyuk stays is if they move on from Deebo next year and that frees up the space needed to get a deal done with him. Just not a wise use of cap space to pay two WRs big salaries especially in this offense that prefers to run the ball over a high volume passing attack.


We could probably keep them all if we draft another QB on the rookie scale and don't give Purdy one of those ridiculous Goff/Cousins contracts.
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Post#12 » by Pattersonca65 » Fri Jul 26, 2024 2:15 pm

Big J wrote:
Jikkle wrote:
Big J wrote:Trent and Aiyuk holding out. They saw what the team did for CMC and said do that for me too.


Aiyuk is due for an extension as it's pretty standard to get an extension one year out before your contract expires.

In Trent's case he's out of guaranteed money and he's easily the player with the most leverage right now and he can pretty much ask for what he wants and he'll likely get it.

I'm not worried about Trent because like CMC they'll figure out a way to sweeten the pot enough for him to come back.

I think the only way Aiyuk stays is if they move on from Deebo next year and that frees up the space needed to get a deal done with him. Just not a wise use of cap space to pay two WRs big salaries especially in this offense that prefers to run the ball over a high volume passing attack.


We could probably keep them all if we draft another QB on the rookie scale and don't give Purdy one of those ridiculous Goff/Cousins contracts.


How incredibly stupid
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Post#13 » by Big J » Fri Jul 26, 2024 9:05 pm

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Big J wrote:
Jikkle wrote:
Aiyuk is due for an extension as it's pretty standard to get an extension one year out before your contract expires.

In Trent's case he's out of guaranteed money and he's easily the player with the most leverage right now and he can pretty much ask for what he wants and he'll likely get it.

I'm not worried about Trent because like CMC they'll figure out a way to sweeten the pot enough for him to come back.

I think the only way Aiyuk stays is if they move on from Deebo next year and that frees up the space needed to get a deal done with him. Just not a wise use of cap space to pay two WRs big salaries especially in this offense that prefers to run the ball over a high volume passing attack.


We could probably keep them all if we draft another QB on the rookie scale and don't give Purdy one of those ridiculous Goff/Cousins contracts.


How incredibly stupid


Yea, really would be stupid to give him a big extension when QB's are replaceable in Kyles system.
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Post#14 » by Pattersonca65 » Sat Jul 27, 2024 5:47 am

Big J wrote:
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Big J wrote:
We could probably keep them all if we draft another QB on the rookie scale and don't give Purdy one of those ridiculous Goff/Cousins contracts.


How incredibly stupid


Yea, really would be stupid to give him a big extension when QB's are replaceable in Kyles system.



Total bullsht.. Kyle's had a bunch of QBs that flopped. Pmly an idiot would do what you are suggesting
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Re: 2024 Training Camp 

Post#15 » by Big J » Sat Jul 27, 2024 2:15 pm

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Big J wrote:
Pattersonca65 wrote:
How incredibly stupid


Yea, really would be stupid to give him a big extension when QB's are replaceable in Kyles system.



Total bullsht.. Kyle's had a bunch of QBs that flopped. Pmly an idiot would do what you are suggesting


Jimmy G flopped right into a Super bowl & a couple of NFC champ games.
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Re: 2024 Training Camp 

Post#16 » by arich35 » Sun Jul 28, 2024 2:25 am

Burford with a broken hand, out 3 weeks. Hoping Puni takes this spot and runs with it to be honest.
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Post#17 » by Pattersonca65 » Sun Jul 28, 2024 4:03 am

Big J wrote:
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Big J wrote:
Yea, really would be stupid to give him a big extension when QB's are replaceable in Kyles system.



Total bullsht.. Kyle's had a bunch of QBs that flopped. Pmly an idiot would do what you are suggesting


Jimmy G flopped right into a Super bowl & a couple of NFC champ games.


The 49ers drafted Beathard and he played like crap. The qb before did crap. The team dumped both. Jinny played pedestrian and the team moved on from home. Lance couldn't do crap and still isn't. Saying anyone can play in this system is bullsht
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Re: 2024 Training Camp 

Post#18 » by Jikkle » Sun Jul 28, 2024 10:12 pm

Big J wrote:Looking forward to the Grant Cohn/Kyle back & forths.


I'm probably more positive on Cohn than most 9ers fans but I do find that he can take perfectly reasonable negativity and go way overboard with it.

To be fair I've seen beat reporters go overboard with positivity as well.

That's why in general I'm hardly paying attention to the training camp reports because everything just gets overanalyzed and the things I'll keep an eye on are injuries, preseason games, and the practices against other teams.

Like I don't care about linemen battles without pads and even with pads I don't particularly care about offensive vs defensive linemen drills because I know those drills favor the defense. Don't get me wrong that doesn't mean that stuff has 0 relevance or I think our offensive line is going to be great it's just that I'm not going to freak out if a guy loses a 1v1.

It's just far better to not pay attention until we get to the parts that actually matter.
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Post#19 » by Pattersonca65 » Mon Jul 29, 2024 3:48 pm

Jikkle wrote:
Big J wrote:Trent and Aiyuk holding out. They saw what the team did for CMC and said do that for me too.


Aiyuk is due for an extension as it's pretty standard to get an extension one year out before your contract expires.

In Trent's case he's out of guaranteed money and he's easily the player with the most leverage right now and he can pretty much ask for what he wants and he'll likely get it.

I'm not worried about Trent because like CMC they'll figure out a way to sweeten the pot enough for him to come back.

I think the only way Aiyuk stays is if they move on from Deebo next year and that frees up the space needed to get a deal done with him. Just not a wise use of cap space to pay two WRs big salaries especially in this offense that prefers to run the ball over a high volume passing attack.


I think the plan with Ricky Pearsall is for him to replace Deebo next season. You are right, no way they both WR's that kind of money. While Pearsall isn't Deebo, his skillset is more in line with what Deebo does than BA
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Re: 2024 Training Camp 

Post#20 » by Harry Palmer » Mon Jul 29, 2024 9:37 pm

Heard it often voiced that teams with deep playoff runs tend to suffer more injuries the next year, particularly training camp injuries. Seems to make sense but has it ever been actually studied/proven?

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