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I think if Mario Manningham is available when we take him. We need a recevier

No. We need an O-Line guy. We were tied for last in giving up the most sacks on the year, last in time of possession, 27th in rushing yds/game, and last in 3rd-down conversion rate. What's sadder is that we had a pretty much healthy OL for the year.

Its also easier to find a good WR than a good OL guy, IMO.

I hope Lelie can be a playmaker for us next season, because we did nothing to get him involved this year.

Maybe we can make Michael Robinson into a WR - he has good size to be converted. Hill could also excel, but I question his attitude. Jackson and Battle are the odd men out. And man, Vernon would be a monster under Martz.

We shouldnt be drafting a o-lineman with our first round pick and drafting one wont instantly make our line better. We need to trade or sign one. We should draft one but our first draft pick should be on a WR, maybe not Manningham, but a WR none-the-less.

You think the Niners will go out and freely sign a guy(s), after the past offseason we had that resulted in not so great signings/trades? Clements was really the only guy who did anything from that offseason. Even if we did go out and try to sign an OL, we'd be lucky to get a decent one who would actually want to come here.

In retrospect, we do have Picks 30 and 39, so its nearly like having 2 first rounders.

I never said it was an instant fix to draft an OL. But it doesn't matter if we draft a WR, without a better OL, our receivers won't do anything.

In taking another perspective here, Sweed and Doucet are perfect for us under Martz. I doubt it, but if either is there at 30, then take him. Maybe we'll trade up - there really isn't much besides Gore, Vernon, and PWill I wouldn't give up.

James Hardy seems pretty sexy. A bit slow for Martz, but we'll know for sure at the combine.

Would much rather have Dwayne Bowe than Joe Staley, thats all Im guna say.

I also like Malcolm Kelly from OU. Not as quick as Desean Jackson but is a better WR than he is, when it comes down to running routes and catching passes thrown his way.

bballguy50 wrote:No. We need an O-Line guy. We were tied for last in giving up the most sacks on the year, last in time of possession, 27th in rushing yds/game, and last in 3rd-down conversion rate. What's sadder is that we had a pretty much healthy OL for the year.

I think OL is something they'll consider heavily with one of the first 2 picks. Looks like they'll move Staley to LT, so a RT maybe something to watch for. WR will likely be the other pick.

I hope Lelie can be a playmaker for us next season, because we did nothing to get him involved this year.

Martz likes WR's that run good routes and have good hands, something Lelie does not do well. When one of the better WR coaches in the league in Sullivan isn't high on you, good luck.

Jackson and Battle are the odd men out. And man, Vernon would be a monster under Martz.

Maybe Jackson but he doesn't have a drastic cap number, so he could be kept. I think Battle could be someone that Martz considers keeping. He showed in 2006 that he could be a valuable possession WR. While he doesn't do anything great, he's their best blocker on the outside, runs solid routes, and has really good hands. He, like all of the skill players, had a down year last season. I've never been a big Vernon Davis guy but he's certainly an extremely gifted athlete. I just think he's a poor route runner and complains too much. It will be interesting to see how he's used.

Alot of mocks have us selecting a WR (Yeah I know not the most accurate way, but I don't really watch college football, so haven't really seen many of these players actually play except big guns like McFadden, Tebow etc.

MARIO MANNINGHAM
12 Games, 72 Receptions, 1,174 yards, 12 TD's

Picking this low after such an awful season must be a tough pill to swallow but that is reason #1,567,811 why you should think long and hard about trading away those future #1's. With that said landing a great talent like Mario Manningham should help take the sting off it and he is exactly the type of playmaker this franchise needs on offense. He may have a slight frame but Manningham knows how to stretch the field vertically and get in the endzone and you just know new offensive coordinator Mike Martz will be angling for a weapon like that. This one certainly feels like a perfect fit.

Limas Sweed, WR, Texas

The 49ers have been in a free-fall, in no small part because of the team's inability to throw the ball -- they were dead last in passing yards per game in 2007. The receiving corps is a mess, and with Mike Martz coming on board as the new offensive coordinator, it seems quite likely that the 49ers will use their first round pick on a receiver.

There should be a number of quality WR options for the 49ers here. But Sweed, at 6'4", has the height to allow himself to gain separation from corners. And while it's true that the 49ers have a trio of 6'0" or taller receivers (Arnez Battle, Ashley Lelie, and Darrell Jackson) as well as the tall receiving threat of TE Vernon Davis, Sweed showed impressive ability at Texas and would probably be ranked higher had he not suffered a season-ending broken wrist relatively early on in the 2007 season.

Thoughts on those guys?

I still think OL might be the better way to go, WR's are much easier to come by. Watching them get to the QB and stuffing Gore was painful to watch.

Manningham could be had with the 49ers 2nd round pick. I personally think Sweed is the most talented WR in this draft. Doesn't look like he'll last long. Kiper and McShay both think James Hardy will be the pick. I don't see him lasting that long either but I'd like that selection more than I would Manningham at that point. I agree that OL seems to be where they are leaning, most likely an OT.

We need a pass rusher, I'd go with Quentin Groves at 29.

I doubt Groves will be there at 29. I think he'll go in the top 20.

It does sound like the 49ers want to address that in free agency rather than the draft.

GS Warriors 1 wrote:I doubt Groves will be there at 29. I think he'll go in the top 20.

It does sound like the 49ers want to address that in free agency rather than the draft.

Actually, I think Groves will be there but I doubt we take him in the first. He may end up like Lamar Woodley of last year and drop to the mid 2nd round. I would love it if Cherilus or Jeff Otah would fall to us because we need a RT for the future but we also need serious help at the D-line position with Sopoaga and Douglas hitting free agency. I would love to have Pat Sims in the first round and then draft Chris Williams to be our RT. Or we could look at Red Bryant or Ahtyba Rubin in the third round for D-line help and then concentrate on the O line in the first round and maybe take Groves or Merling(If he makes it that far) in the second for pass rushing needs.

Most of all, I will be mad if we draft a receiver in the first unless it is Desean Jackson.

My overall dream scenario would be to trade our first for an extra 2nd and 3rd round pick.

Agree to disagree on Groves. The difference between him and Woodley is that Groves seems to have a positive vibe about him playing 3-4 OLB unlike Woodley last offseason, who apparently didn't do too well in drills during last year's Senior Bowl and was thought to be a better fit to have his hands on the ground.

Cherilus is someone that I'm almost 100% sure will be there. Williams looks more like a LT to me, unless they would like to keep Staley at RT, which I doubt. DeSean Jackson won't make it to 29 but they'll most likely use #39 on a WR, preferably on another Cal WR, Lavelle Hawkins, who had a great Senior Bowl week and showed the skillset that could make him a perfect fit in Martz's system.

GS Warriors 1 wrote:Agree to disagree on Groves. The difference between him and Woodley is that Groves seems to have a positive vibe about him playing 3-4 OLB unlike Woodley last offseason, who apparently didn't do too well in drills during last year's Senior Bowl and was thought to be a better fit to have his hands on the ground.

Cherilus is someone that I'm almost 100% sure will be there. Williams looks more like a LT to me, unless they would like to keep Staley at RT, which I doubt. DeSean Jackson won't make it to 29 but they'll most likely use #39 on a WR, preferably on another Cal WR, Lavelle Hawkins, who had a great Senior Bowl week and showed the skillset that could make him a perfect fit in Martz's system.

I am not saying that Groves is a bad player I am just saying I would rather get him in the 2nd then the first round if he was there. I just think that Our pass rush would be much improved with a better d-line and our offense would be much improved by getting a RT for the future unless Snyder or Jennings can lock down that position. Joe Staley will be switched to LT Nolan already said that but I would also like to spend an early pick on the O-line also.

Besides trading down my favorite realistic scenario would be to take Pat Sims in the first and Carl Nicks in the second.

I wouldnt like it if we took a reciever in the second either because our 2nd is like another first because it is very high and plus if we get Bernard Berrian in FA then that would make me happy because I cannot wait three years for a reciever to develope plus Nolan and Mcloughan suck at drafting reciever (Brandon Williams, Derrick Hamilton both in the 3rd round).

But if Nolan does draft a WR I just hope we do not draft him just because he might be good at returning punts, I just hate that.

And who knows maybe Jason Hill could be our answer at receiver. I could wish can I.

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I am not saying that Groves is a bad player I am just saying I would rather get him in the 2nd then the first round if he was there. I just think that Our pass rush would be much improved with a better d-line and our offense would be much improved by getting a RT for the future unless Snyder or Jennings can lock down that position. Joe Staley will be switched to LT Nolan already said that but I would also like to spend an early pick on the O-line also.

I never thought you said Groves was a bad player. I agree that getting Groves at 39 would be a coup. I did say that I doubt they keep Staley at RT.

Besides trading down my favorite realistic scenario would be to take Pat Sims in the first and Carl Nicks in the second.

They could go in that route(DL and OL going 1/2), though I personally think its a bit high for Nicks.

I wouldnt like it if we took a reciever in the second either because our 2nd is like another first because it is very high and plus if we get Bernard Berrian in FA then that would make me happy because I cannot wait three years for a reciever to develope plus Nolan and Mcloughan suck at drafting reciever (Brandon Williams, Derrick Hamilton both in the 3rd round).

I doubt this team makes a run at Berrian but I wouldn't be surprised either. I would take Hawkins at 39 because he shows the skillset of a Martz WR and I would trust Mike Martz's input on WR's. Plus, this would be cheaper than Berrian. Hamilton wasn't their draft pick but he suffered a devastating knee injury.

But if Nolan does draft a WR I just hope we do not draft him just because he might be good at returning punts, I just hate that.

Isn't that describing DeSean Jackson?

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Isn't that describing DeSean Jackson?

DeSean isnt primarly a punt/kick returner. He has the skills to be a playmaker on offense but do to his down year it may not seem like that but I think he is a better version of Ted Ginn.

I dont want a receiver in the 2nd either because our 2nd is basically as good as another 1st because it is so high.

Getting Bernard Berrian would be better because he is already experienced and he will not take about three years to be productive like most receivers.

I wouldnt mind taking a receiver in the 3rd round because I would actually like Donnie Avery who was very explosive at the Senior Bowl. He has the size of the Mike Martz WR and the Speed (Expected to be the fastest WR or player at the Combine). He is listed at 5'11-6' over 200lbs

DeSean isnt primarly a punt/kick returner.

In the first few years, yeah he will be. His upside isn't higher than Ginn and Ginn is a much better athlete imo. I really think there are other WR's in this draft that will make more of an impact right away.

Getting Bernard Berrian would be better because he is already experienced and he will not take about three years to be productive like most receivers.

I don't see them dipping into the free agent WR market with such a deep WR draft, especially with as many guys in this class that can fit into what Martz wants to do. I think they focus more on defense in free agency and continue to build a younger offense.

Donnie Avery would not be a bad pick in round 3 if they don't go WR in round 2.

GS Warriors 1 wrote:

DeSean isnt primarly a punt/kick returner.

In the first few years, yeah he will be. His upside isn't higher than Ginn and Ginn is a much better athlete imo. I really think there are other WR's in this draft that will make more of an impact right away.

Getting Bernard Berrian would be better because he is already experienced and he will not take about three years to be productive like most receivers.

I don't see them dipping into the free agent WR market with such a deep WR draft, especially with as many guys in this class that can fit into what Martz wants to do. I think they focus more on defense in free agency and continue to build a younger offense.

Donnie Avery would not be a bad pick in round 3 if they don't go WR in round 2.

Thanks to the Combine measurements, I just changed my ways on DeSean Jackson. He checked in at 5'9 and weighed in at 169. And something tells me he will not be the next Steve Smith our of Carolina.

So, now I do not want any WR in the 1st or 2nd round. I want primarly O-Line, D-Line, or OLB in the first two rounds.

But if the niners do end up drafting a WR in the 2nd I want it to be Lavelle Hawkins. I heard he has been training hard with Tom Shaw and that he might run a 4.3 instead of a 4.4 plus it doesnt hurt that he is from my hometown.

Wow, Jake Long just benched 225 lbs with 37 reps. That is amazing strenght plus with his long arms it makes it harder for him to bench press.

Carl Nicks also did good with 31 reps.

Here are some more bench presses:

Jake Long-37
Jeremy Zuttah- 35
Kirk Barton- 34
Carl Nicks- 31
Brandon Keith-31
John Greco- 30
Mike McGlynn-30
Chris McDuffie-29
Mike Pollack-29
Gosder Cherilus-24
Ryan Clady-24
Fred Davis-24
Kellen Davis-22
Chris Williams- 21

Chris Williams was horrible, he got beat out by some TEs. But atleast this makes me feel better about Carl Nicks.

5'9" 169? Jackson is suddenly 2 inches shorter and about 10 pounds less since the season ended. Gotta love the info colleges put out there. The 168 hurts him a lot more than the 5'9".

On the bench press: Certainly helps Jake Long. Clady's 24 is a bit low even though its known that he does need to add some strength but Clady is a hell of an athlete for his size. Williams' 21 may hurt but I don't know how much it changes scouts opinions after his Senior Bowl week, which was solid. Same with Cherilus, though 24 is a bit weak for a RT. Nicks' 31 is really good but it was likely expected with his frame, he's probably the biggest guy there. Solidified a top 50 spot in the draft and #39 wouldn't be a bad choice.