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Game 17: Seattle at Tampa Bay

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Game 17: Seattle at Tampa Bay 

Post#1 » by Danny Darko » Sun Dec 26, 2010 7:13 am

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Beep beep beep. Is that the sound of Seattle backing up into the playoffs? Could be. This game is likely to be meaningless, so why isn't Charlie Whitehurst starting?


Injury update:

Seahawks-
Questionable: T James Lee (ankle), WR Sammie Stroughter (hamstring)

TB
Questionable: T James Lee (ankle), WR Sammie Stroughter (hamstring) 5 starters are also on ir

Things to Watch:

1-QB- WTF? I guess Charlie is clearly not the man. Only explanation I can think of.

2-Running game- no 100 yard rushers in far too long. Cmon Beastmode.

3-Tate anyone? It would be nice to see some of his talent on display.

Predictions-

Seattle 24 TB 17
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Re: Game 17: Seattle at Tampa Bay 

Post#2 » by Bulltalk » Sun Dec 26, 2010 9:43 pm

Well Hass goes down after a brutal hit. 7-0 Hawks. CBJ time you would think. After all, this game is pretty meaningless in terms of playoff implications.
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Re: Game 17: Seattle at Tampa Bay 

Post#3 » by Bulltalk » Sun Dec 26, 2010 10:15 pm

Charlie Whitehurst....he's got to do something this game. I mean, come on. If he thinks he's got anything, he better step up and show some of it now. He might not get many more chances. He's got to know this.
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Re: Game 17: Seattle at Tampa Bay 

Post#4 » by Bulltalk » Sun Dec 26, 2010 10:28 pm

We're just not a good football team. This playoff thing has masked the fact that the next two off-seasons are what's most important to our longer term fortunes.

I'm really conflicted watching these games. On the one hand, I want my team to do well and win. On the other hand, I want the best draft picks we can get. I guess it's a perfect hedge. Root for them to do well and win, but if they don't, it's probably better that they didn't.
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Re: Game 17: Seattle at Tampa Bay 

Post#5 » by Sweezo » Sun Dec 26, 2010 11:06 pm

Thankfully I am at a family christmas function and can't watch this travesty...I take it whitehurst is failing horribly?
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Re: Game 17: Seattle at Tampa Bay 

Post#6 » by Bulltalk » Sun Dec 26, 2010 11:24 pm

Sweezo wrote:Thankfully I am at a family christmas function and can't watch this travesty...I take it whitehurst is failing horribly?


As of this moment... 3/8, 19 yards, 0 TD's, 0 INT's, 45.8 QB rating. He's in top form.

He just got sacked again.
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Re: Game 17: Seattle at Tampa Bay 

Post#7 » by Bulltalk » Sun Dec 26, 2010 11:27 pm

A belated Merry Christmas, by the way.
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Re: Game 17: Seattle at Tampa Bay 

Post#8 » by TTown » Sun Dec 26, 2010 11:37 pm

I've been owning in my fantasy football league because I reinvent my roster each week and load up on guys who play for Seattle's opponent. 4 touchdown passes (so far...) later, and picking up Josh Freeman looks like a pretty good decision.

Whitehurst looks scary bad. Like, "Oh, that's why he never took a snap in 4 years in San Diego" bad. Like, "Oh, wow, we paid how much for this dude again? What was wrong with another year of Wallace backing up Hass...?" bad.
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Re: Game 17: Seattle at Tampa Bay 

Post#9 » by Bulltalk » Sun Dec 26, 2010 11:38 pm

Seahawk losses this year:

31-14
20-3
33-3
41-7
34-19
42-24
40-21
34-18


And now...we're down 31-7. Add them all up (assuming this game is a loss) for a combined score of 306-116 in our losing efforts up to the moment, and an average score of 34-13 in those losing efforts. :o

My God...that's hideous.
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Re: Game 17: Seattle at Tampa Bay 

Post#10 » by Bulltalk » Sun Dec 26, 2010 11:47 pm

Leon Washington for a TD. This guy is one of the few players we've got who really has played at a high level all year.
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Re: Game 17: Seattle at Tampa Bay 

Post#11 » by Sweezo » Mon Dec 27, 2010 5:38 am

Is this season worse than last year? We've won more games but the effort has been iffy and every week is just another beating waiting to happen. We simply aren't Playing competitive football, and as the possible rep for the NFC West in the playoffs we are set to take another beating on a national stage and netting a middling draft pick in the process.
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Re: Game 17: Seattle at Tampa Bay 

Post#12 » by Bulltalk » Mon Dec 27, 2010 8:43 am

Sweezo wrote:Is this season worse than last year? We've won more games but the effort has been iffy and every week is just another beating waiting to happen. We simply aren't Playing competitive football, and as the possible rep for the NFC West in the playoffs we are set to take another beating on a national stage and netting a middling draft pick in the process.


I think we need a draft pick thread now. I mean seriously, I think I'm squarely in the I-want-us-to-lose-next-weekend camp. Things are a little up in the air now as far as draft order is concerned, but the as far as I can tell the difference between winning and losing is a minimum of 8 slots down in the draft. If we win, we in all likelihood draft 21st.

If we lose (this gets a little hairy working through all the possible tie-breakers right now), and just eye-balling it (by record only at the moment), we could be anywhere between the 7th and 13th pick. My off-the-cuff guess is that if we lose, we draft somewhere between the 8th pick and the 11th pick. That's a pretty big difference in draft slottage, and pretty important in the longer term scheme of things, IMO.

The difference in the potential quality of players we *could* get in the 1st and 2nd rounds of next spring's draft *could* be somewhat substantially better if we lose next week than if we win. It could be the difference between walking away with a franchise QB and a real quality DLman, OLman, DB, or the like in those first two rounds, instead of a bit-more-of-a-gamble on than surer-thing in our 1st round pick, and the same could be said for our 2nd round pick on a equally relative basis.

You're right. We've looked like shyt in our losses. Real shyt. We're rebuilding. There's no doubt about that. I'm wondering how many of your even "averagely" informed fans are starting to think this way?

Of course, it all boils down to what we make of those higher draft picks should we lose next week. That's the key. But I do like what they did in the 1st round last year with Okung and Thomas, and Tate and Thurmond might yet turn out well for us, though that still remains to be seen.

I don't know...if we win next week, and then get the snot kicked out of us at home in the first round of the playoffs...would it really have been worth the win next week? I know you can make the "positive-team-culture" argument, but does that really apply to a 7-9 playoff team?

This is just one of those real strange and rare what's-really-best-for-the-team situations, methinks.
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Re: Game 17: Seattle at Tampa Bay 

Post#13 » by Sweezo » Mon Dec 27, 2010 5:58 pm

Bulltalk wrote:I don't know...if we win next week, and then get the snot kicked out of us at home in the first round of the playoffs...would it really have been worth the win next week? I know you can make the "positive-team-culture" argument, but does that really apply to a 7-9 playoff team?


Who knows? The team has played terrible football, and for them to make the playoffs would just seem to reward them when they don't deserve. What kind of message does it send to be a losing team in the playoffs? Hey, even if you give a half-assed effort and can only beat the Cardinals and Panthers of the world...you can still get in the playoffs!

This team isn't close to competing for anything, but I worry a playoff spot makes the coach/GM think they've made progress and ARE close to competing.

This team hasn't rebuilt much of anything yet. We've added some young talent but most of the players we've added this year are veteran castoffs. It's very frustrating, and I don't really know where this team is going or what the plan is.
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Re: Game 17: Seattle at Tampa Bay 

Post#14 » by Sweezo » Mon Dec 27, 2010 11:11 pm

Bulltalk wrote:The difference in the potential quality of players we *could* get in the 1st and 2nd rounds of next spring's draft *could* be somewhat substantially better if we lose next week than if we win. It could be the difference between walking away with a franchise QB and a real quality DLman, OLman, DB, or the like in those first two rounds, instead of a bit-more-of-a-gamble on than surer-thing in our 1st round pick, and the same could be said for our 2nd round pick on a equally relative basis.


So as of right now it sounds like Luck WON'T be declaring for the draft...which is just awesome. If that happens the odds of a top QB prospect being around for us to pick in the first round is slim.
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Re: Game 17: Seattle at Tampa Bay 

Post#15 » by Bulltalk » Mon Jan 3, 2011 2:14 am

Sweezo wrote:
Bulltalk wrote:The difference in the potential quality of players we *could* get in the 1st and 2nd rounds of next spring's draft *could* be somewhat substantially better if we lose next week than if we win. It could be the difference between walking away with a franchise QB and a real quality DLman, OLman, DB, or the like in those first two rounds, instead of a bit-more-of-a-gamble on than surer-thing in our 1st round pick, and the same could be said for our 2nd round pick on a equally relative basis.


So as of right now it sounds like Luck WON'T be declaring for the draft...which is just awesome. If that happens the odds of a top QB prospect being around for us to pick in the first round is slim.


I hear he has been willing to play the diva to ensure that he goes where he more wants to go. I have SUCH a hard time seeing him not going pro this year.

By the way...this is what I'm reading now about the draft (slight correction, still not certain this is right):

No. 1: Carolina Panthers

No. 2: Denver Broncos

No. 3: Buffalo Bills

No. 4: Cincinnati Bengals

No. 5: Arizona Cardinals

No. 6: Cleveland Browns

No. 7: San Francisco 49ers
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No. 8: Seattle Seahawks (tie?)

I read that the 49ers and Hawks have identical strength-of-schedule tiebreakers...but then it says it goes to divisional and conference records...which one takes precedence? We would have a worse division record than them if we lose, but they would have a worse conference record if we lose. Add them together (do they do that? Can't find the info...) and we are both an identical 8-10. Next tie-breaker is a coin flip. Maybe we're a coin flip with the 49ers. :lol:

In any event, it seems we're either a 7th or 8th pick in the first round if we lose. They reverse the order in the 2nd round of the teams with the same records.
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