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Andrew Luck

Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 2:09 am
by TTown
Okay, I have a full-fledged man-crush on Andrew Luck. Best QB prospect I've seen in years, which is to say, he's all but a lock to go #1. Educate me on the following:

1-9 Carolina. They took Clausen in the second round last year; would they entertain serious offers for the #1 pick?

2-8 Buffalo. A lock to take Luck if they pick #1, I'm sure.

2-8 Detroit. Took Stafford #1 overall two years ago. I've seen bloggers say his shoulder injuries might be so bad that the Lions may need to start looking elsewhere, but that seems a bit of stretch to me.

2-8 Cincinnati. Palmer's getting older; I'd imagine they'd seriously consider Luck, no? I also think Cinci is probably too good to not win a couple games down the stretch and get out of #1 overall pick consideration.

3-7 Cleveland. Colt McCoy... Andrew Luck? I'd imagine they'd likely take him.

3-7 Denver Broncos. Just took Tebow in the first last year. We all have our doubts, I'm sure, but I'm sure they've made their bed.

3-7 Dallas. They, too, seem like they'll take themselves out of #1 consideration.

3-7 Minnesota. Uh, yeah. I think they'd want to take him. Still, once more, they should win a handful of games down the stretch.

3-7 San Francisco. In a heartbeat.

3-7 Arizona. Ditto.

Do you think Seattle would even put together a package to trade for the #1 pick? If so, who would you root for to get #1 in order to facilitate a trade?

Re: Andrew Luck

Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 2:35 am
by Sweezo
Trading up to #1 would likely take a combination of picks I don't think we can afford to give up. QB is a need, but we have a lot of other places in need of an upgrade as well. Our pass rush may be alright with out patchwork line, but the running game is struggling mightily.

I mostly agree with your assessments BTW about which teams would take a look at Luck...although Buffalo may have a winner in Ryan Fitzpatrick. They drastically need a defensive upgrade IMO.

Re: Andrew Luck

Posted: Thu Nov 25, 2010 12:18 am
by Danny Darko
Carolina would go Luck all the way imo

I think we'd pay a pretty heavy price tag for him. Heavier than would be good for even a Joe Montana if that's possible. I'd say our best bet is to move wisely into the next best QB Mallett/Locker/Newton.

You have to figure Kolb probably gets absorbed by someone in that group, but that leaves no less than 4-5 teams desperate for a QB to fight over the scraps. I would trade no more than 2 #1's for Luck or a #1, #2, and 3 staggered over more than 1 year.

Re: Andrew Luck

Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 9:11 pm
by Bulltalk
Mostly agree with your assessments of those ahead of us in the draft. If we put together a big package for Luck (kind of an unrealistic scenario, IMO), I'd probably be all for it. This is a QB driven league, and there is arguably no more important position in all team sports than the QB position. Luck is an outstanding prospect, near can't-miss, IMO (seen him play a bunch this year), and probably the best QB prospect coming out since that Falcon guy.

But, in the end, as Darko mentioned, I think we're more likely to wait to see if either Mallet, Locker, or Newton falls to us (or even Ponder in the 2nd round), or possibly do a little draft-day maneuvering to move up and grab one of the other three 1st round candidates not named Luck if our upper brass REALLY likes one of the three more than the others, or to grab one of the remaining two in the 1st round if they really like him a lot more than the other.

We need a long term answer at QB, and a strong pass-rushing DE in the first two rounds. The exceptions being if a just-can't-pass-up-the-talent falls to us at OL, DT, or possibly the RB or DB positions. But we just can't put off finding a possible long term answer for us at the QB position any longer. I still lament our not taking Sanchez when he was there for the taking by us a few years ago. Not an elite QB (at least not yet, and possibly never), but a QB talented enough to get you to the top with a strong supporting cast.

Re: Andrew Luck

Posted: Sat Nov 27, 2010 7:11 am
by Bulltalk
For the love of God! I watched Newton again today, and I just CAN'T see him being a real good pro QB at the moment. I'd take Locker over him as it stands now. Yes, he's a very good, perhaps even great college QB; but his passes just don't impress me; they're almost always floating in the air too long. Just don't like his "pass" that much, just don't like him as a passer that much.

I'm no expert about such things, just a little hesitant about Newton now. That's all.

PS> I wonder if Nick Foles will come out for the draft. Could he be a sleeper QB pick somewhere in the mid rounds of the draft, 3rd through 5th rounds? Just wondering. He's got the size/height, and has proven to be a very accurate passer at Arizona. I'm not sure how adept he is at throwing downfield though. He has made his hay as a short/quick passer mostly, at least when I've watched him.

Re: Andrew Luck

Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 4:26 am
by TTown
I think I could certainly live with Mallett. Kid looks really good.

Question regarding Locker. I don't want to step on anybody's toes if you fine folks happen to be Husky fans; however, Locker the pro prospect... thoughts? I just can't get my head around it. He's down to 55% this year. He's a physical freak of nature, but he seems like one of those kids who came in as a freshman and wow'd everybody because he looked like he had all-world potential, but four years later he's still yet to realize it.

Re: Andrew Luck

Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 6:10 am
by Bulltalk
TTown wrote:I think I could certainly live with Mallett. Kid looks really good.

Question regarding Locker. I don't want to step on anybody's toes if you fine folks happen to be Husky fans; however, Locker the pro prospect... thoughts? I just can't get my head around it. He's down to 55% this year. He's a physical freak of nature, but he seems like one of those kids who came in as a freshman and wow'd everybody because he looked like he had all-world potential, but four years later he's still yet to realize it.


He'll be a good pro QB, IMO. I'd be quite pleased too if we could nab him in the first round of the next draft. Then you could retain Hasselbeck for a few more years while Locker develops.

Locker's grown a lot as a QB in his time at UW. The problem was that he had a lousy head coach his first 3 years (including his redshirt freshman year), and had a former running back as his QB coach during those same 3 years. He simply just didn't have any kind of proper instruction during this time that developed his pro potential. Also, his sophomore year, he was out for almost the entire year, and the team went a dreadful 0-12 without him. The recruiting was very weak in the Willingham era.

When the new head coach came on board (coach Sarkesian, a successful college QB himself, and successful QB coach at USC), Locker's potential finally began to be unlocked his junior year, and he got better and better throughout the year, ending on a real high note. He rightfully exploded up the draft chart, and was viewed by many as a very high draft pick, perhaps even the #1 pick had he come out.

Amazingly, he turned down a potential 50 million dollar pro contract to return for his senior season. He wanted to continue to improve, and lead the Huskies back to a bowl, solidify his legacy at the school. Needless to say, the expectations were sky high for him coming into this season.

First off, it must be kept in mind that this guy has been playing with broken ribs the last series of games. Secondly, the offensive line gave this guy dreadful protection most of the year, as in he was running for his life a lot more often than not within a moment or two after the snap. You just simply could not tell how much better he might have been with proper protection. I can only imagine what his college career might have been had he attended the likes of USC, or Alabama, or some such top flight college program.

But it is true that he could have played better this year. The fact remains, however, that whenever he did play well, the team usually won.

As for his character exemplified in his commitment to improve, his attitude, his leadership...the guy's amazing, off the charts. He's certainly got the physical size to be a pro QB. He's also got more than a sufficient cannon for an arm, the foot speed of a flanker, the clear ability to look for his second and third and fourth receivers when he's had the time to, and at times has shown an almost sublime ability to turn broken plays/breakdowns in blocking into productive ones. As a few veteran watchers have noted, he can make passes under duress and off balance that only a few college QB's could even dream of successfully attempting. He's that strong, coordinated, and athletically gifted.

There is only ONE THING about Locker that might give one pause. He has shown an inconsistency this year in that hard-to-define QB X-factor, that QB moxie, or QB enzyme (for lack of a better way to put it), that ability to much more consistently than not "make the play". The "Joe Montana factor", you might say. He HAS shown it, just not consistently this year. Again, IMO this is the ONLY cause for concern with him as to whether or not he will blossom as a QB in the pro ranks. He has everything else. And I think he will blow scouts, coaches and GM's away at the pre-draft combines again, or at individual team workouts.

Locker is simply hard to evaluate this year for so many reasons, some of which I've mentioned. You simply do have to evaluate him to some degree within the context of the circumstances he's had to operate within. And therein lies the rub.

But you also have to keep in mind that when he was out his sophomore year, the Huskies were 0-12. Then the new coach came in and they went 5-7 his junior year. They are now one more win away from going 6-6 his senior year, and a return trip to a bowl after a several year hiatus from them. He might well end his senior year on a bowl winner with a 7-6 record. Quite a leap from where they were only two years before. And their recruiting classes last year and this year are night and day in comparison to what they've been in recent years.

So much of this resurgence in the Husky football program has been on Jake's shoulders, as the Huskies were just lacking in talent on both sides of the ball. I think some of this has played a role in him putting too much pressure on himself to make up for the team's deficiencies. This is not an excuse so much as a reality if you are aware of the rabid nature of "Husky Nation". And Jake NEVER gives excuses for himself, so I have to do it for him. LOL It will remain to be seen how he handles such pressures in the future, at the next level. He's certainly been battle tested in this way, though.

I'd still take Jake over Mallet or Newton. Without hesitation. Just my hunch from closely watching his career unfold here as a Husky. I'm a Jake believer, I guess. :D

Re: Andrew Luck

Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 3:04 am
by Sweezo
Here's the thing though...

The last two seasons the Husky faithful have had no qualms with telling me how good the Huskies were going to be. How Sark was restoring the team to prominence, and the team was going to go to the Rose Bowl. And how it would happen because of Jake Locker. So when it comes to Locker, I've slowly grown skeptical.

I don't say that to rub anything in, and while I know the Huskies have had a lot problems that have held them back, I've sat through enough Husky games this season to think Locker [even before the rib injury] doesn't appear to have grown as much this season as expected. He's either stayed the course or regressed, IMO.

That said...

Bulltalk wrote:I'd still take Jake over Mallet or Newton.


...I agree with this statement.

Now, if you have an offense that is designed for a pocket friendly QB, Mallett's probably your man. His size/strength/accuracy is impressive. But that isn't the offense we have. When we traded for Whitehurst, Schneider's first comment about why he traded for him was the following:

"Big, talented, athletic guy with a strong arm and a competitive streak. We believe he has the potential to be a successful quarterback in this league."


I think I'm made this comment before on here...but that's exactly the type of QB Bates wants in his offense. A mobile QB who has a cannon for an arm. That describes Locker exactly.

If Locker's available when we draft in the first round, we'll take him.

Re: Andrew Luck

Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 3:35 am
by Bulltalk
Going into last year, I had the Huskies going 4-8 or 5-7. They finished 5-7. This year I had the Huskies going 7-5, didn't want 6-6, but thought it possible, and secretly hoped for 8-4, though doubted it when I weighed the team against individual teams on their schedule. It looks like there is about a 65-70% chance that they'll finish 6-6 for the year.

Everything went about according to what I thought, other than I thought they'd beat Arizona State at home (they lost), and beat BYU in the first game of the season on the road (also lost). I didn't think they'd beat USC on the road, however (they did).

Husky fans were WAY too full of unrealistic expectations going into this year. But even I thought the offensive line was going to be a better than they proved to be. Locker never had a chance on so many passing occasions. It was almost ridiculous how fast he was flushed out or engulfed throughout the season.

If you look at the Husky roster, you might be a little shocked at how few seniors and juniors are on it, and just how many freshmen are, proportionately speaking. We started two true freshmen on the OL because of the poor play of the upperclassmen.

Someone did an analysis of the percentage of times the Huskies started their drives from inside the 20 yard line. It was staggeringly awful. It was downright shocking how often they were forced to start drives from deep in their own territory.

The Huskies also had one of THE hardest schedules in the country by many such rankings. That didn't help either. BYU was their non-conference "cupcake".

Sark and his staff will be able to be properly judged his 4th and 5th season as head coach. The vast majority of players will be his then, and many will already have seen a lot of playing time such underclassmen normally would not have seen. Next year will still be iffy, as they will be breaking in a new young QB (possibly redshirt freshman Nick Montana), and we will still be suffering too much from Willingham's mess.

If the Huskies aren't Pac-10 contenders in 2012 and 2013, then Sark will be rightfully open to criticism. I don't feel that way at all about him now. He's done well recruiting the last two years, and the team has performed close to my expectations his first two years, with a few disappointments, and a couple of surprises.

Re: Andrew Luck

Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 4:01 am
by Sweezo
Bulltalk wrote:
Sark and his staff will be able to be properly judged his 4th and 5th season as head coach. The vast majority of players will be his then, and many will already have seen a lot of playing time such underclassmen normally would not have seen. Next year will still be iffy, as they will be breaking in a new young QB (possibly redshirt freshman Nick Montana), and we will still be suffering too much from Willingham's mess.

If the Huskies aren't Pac-10 contenders in 2012 and 2013, then Sark will be rightfully open to criticism. I don't feel that way at all about him now. He's done well recruiting the last two years, and the team has performed close to my expectations his first two years, with a few disappointments, and a couple of surprises.
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Mostly agreed. Sark does seem to recruit pretty well. With USC a mess, Oregon's really focusing on CA/TX for its impact players. Which certainly excites me as a Duck fan, but also means a team like the UW is primed to grab the best local talent.

Still, Sark's been around long enough that there has to be a big step forward next year for me to think the program is on its way to contending for the top of the Pac 10.

Re: Andrew Luck

Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 4:09 am
by Bulltalk
Sweezo wrote:
Still, Sark's been around long enough that there has to be a big step forward next year for me to think the program is on its way to contending for the top of the Pac 10.


See you in 2012 and 2013 (SNARL) :lol: .

Re: Andrew Luck

Posted: Sun Dec 5, 2010 1:29 am
by Sweezo
I just go back and forth on Locker. As much as I like his size, speed, and strength...I watch certain things he does and wonder if he will ever get past them. For instance, right now I'm watching the Apple Cup. Several times he has locked onto receivers, and he just threw a pick where he made a poor choice while running and throwing off his back foot.

Those are things an elite QB in the NFL doesn't do. Can he ever be coached to not do those things?

His running ability is what really sets him apart, but successful running QBs are rare at the next level. I am just not sure...you can't afford to miss when you draft a QB in the first round.

Re: Andrew Luck

Posted: Mon Dec 6, 2010 1:43 am
by Bulltalk
Sweezo wrote:I just go back and forth on Locker. As much as I like his size, speed, and strength...I watch certain things he does and wonder if he will ever get past them. For instance, right now I'm watching the Apple Cup. Several times he has locked onto receivers, and he just threw a pick where he made a poor choice while running and throwing off his back foot.

Those are things an elite QB in the NFL doesn't do. Can he ever be coached to not do those things?

His running ability is what really sets him apart, but successful running QBs are rare at the next level. I am just not sure...you can't afford to miss when you draft a QB in the first round.


In the end, I'll have to leave it up to the brass as to what direction they turn to in the 1st round. We just need a potential starting QB for years to come. Hass is getting old, and if he goes down with a major injury (he's certainly not that mobile) at this point in his career, I'm certainly not feeling good about Whitehurst being the answer. From what I've seen, and what he's been able to produce on the field (he's barely been able to get himself onto the field), I'd feel better about rolling the dice on a guy like Jake.

What do we do? We've got to do something about this. We've got to reload at the QB position. Hell, if they can trade up and get Luck (doubtful), I'd be all for it. If they truly think that Newton or Mallet is the guy and he's available in the first round, fine. If they think Ponder or Foles is a steal in later rounds, and potentially the man for the job, fine. If they can keep our number one picks and somehow get Kolb, fine.

Just do something, research it the best you can, make your best judgment, and pull the trigger. You go nowhere in this league without a QB. I don't want to peer into the future without at least the reasonable hope that we have a QB in our grasp who's good enough for the job.

Re: Andrew Luck

Posted: Tue Dec 7, 2010 12:03 am
by Danny Darko
I really like mallett as stated, and the big knock on him ends up being he smokes herb evidently(which I don't think will be an issue), but it was pointed out by the seahawk draft blog that he will never be our guy because he can't roll out the way we ask QB's to in the Bates system. In that regard we would have to have a mobile QB.. which makes Locker and newton much more attractive in the scheme.

Re: Andrew Luck

Posted: Wed Dec 8, 2010 4:52 pm
by TTown
The more and more I watch Newton, the more he seems like the anti-Michael Vick (at least the early Michael Vick). He's a physical freak of nature, but he legitimately seems driven to win and constantly improve his game. Does he translate into a big time NFL QB? I don't know. But all these pay-for-play allegations aside, he seems he had his head on straight from a football perspective.

Re: Andrew Luck

Posted: Wed Dec 8, 2010 7:00 pm
by Bulltalk
TTown wrote:The more and more I watch Newton, the more he seems like the anti-Michael Vick (at least the early Michael Vick). He's a physical freak of nature, but he legitimately seems driven to win and constantly improve his game. Does he translate into a big time NFL QB? I don't know. But all these pay-for-play allegations aside, he seems he had his head on straight from a football perspective.


I wouldn't be adverse to drafting him if the management really sees something in him at the pro-level in their evals. My only contention about him from what I've seen is his pass. I just wonder if he has it to be a mostly consistently good passer at the next level? There's no doubt that he's been a great college QB.

Re: Andrew Luck

Posted: Wed Jan 5, 2011 3:17 am
by Sweezo
I don't know if it even matters any more, but watching Mallett tonight is interesting. The guy can make some awesome throws but he's just so big and sluggish out there. His lack of mobility is glaring...and who knows, maybe that means he actually falls to a spot where he'd be available. Stupid draft...

Re: Andrew Luck

Posted: Thu Jan 6, 2011 10:54 pm
by TTown
Andrew Luck... staying in school!

Re: Andrew Luck

Posted: Thu Jan 6, 2011 11:12 pm
by Sweezo
TTown wrote:Andrew Luck... staying in school!


So if we tank next year...HOORAY!

Bad time to be a Panthers' fan.

Re: Andrew Luck

Posted: Fri Jan 7, 2011 12:57 am
by TTown
For real. They have a legit running game, put Andrew Luck under center and they'd play-action the hell out of the NFC.

Everybody here who is dying to take a QB this year is damn lucky I don't run the franchise, I'd totally skip over every single one of them this year, address other areas of need, cut Hass, start Whitehurst all of next year, win 3 games, and put the team in excellent position to take either Luck or Barkley in the 2012 draft.