Game #43: MAVS @ Clippers Tuesday 1/10 7:30 PM

[madmaxmedia]

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This is why hes a terrible coach. We all saw this lineup yet is completely clueless. Mann is a point guard. Just not traditional. We needed a non over dribbling point to get in the lane, create movement, and put pressure on the defense. He also plays d, rebounds, and blocks shots.

PG, Reggie Jackson, and a pick for Anthony Davis. Who says no?

To be fair-

1. He only said he likes to keep one in. Generally we always want one of Norm/Luke/Reggie in, if Mann is the other guard (even though we all fantasize about Wing Stop line ups.)

2. Mann as point only works with the right people around him, the best case scenario being healthy Kawhi and PG.

There will be times when Mann, Reggie, Kawhi, and PG are all on the floor together. I don’t care who actually brings the ball up the floor then, the main thing for me is to get Mann playing 30+ MPG in these lineups because he doesn’t need to be a consistent scorer, he can do all his other things and score when he sees opportunities.

I really think I do like seeing him bring the ball up the court though, it keeps him touching the ball and at least somewhat involved on offense Even when he’s not taking a lot of shots.

[NickP]

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This is why hes a terrible coach. We all saw this lineup yet is completely clueless. Mann is a point guard. Just not traditional. We needed a non over dribbling point to get in the lane, create movement, and put pressure on the defense. He also plays d, rebounds, and blocks shots.

PG, Reggie Jackson, and a pick for Anthony Davis. Who says no?

Cosigning the trade.

[madmaxmedia]

I'm not the biggest AD fan but he would thrive here with better players around him. But no way Lakers do it, to get an older player with redundant skill set to Lebron.

[PeteyPablo]

Great game from start to finish by this team. There might still be enough time for them to move up in the seeding and get the right attitude towards winning.

[esqtvd]

Great game from start to finish by this team. There might still be enough time for them to move up in the seeding and get the right attitude towards winning.

Kawhi 36 minutes/33 points

chicken or the egg?

[wakelaunch1]

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This is why hes a terrible coach. We all saw this lineup yet is completely clueless. Mann is a point guard. Just not traditional. We needed a non over dribbling point to get in the lane, create movement, and put pressure on the defense. He also plays d, rebounds, and blocks shots.

PG, Reggie Jackson, and a pick for Anthony Davis. Who says no?

To be fair-

1. He only said he likes to keep one in. Generally we always want one of Norm/Luke/Reggie in, if Mann is the other guard (even though we all fantasize about Wing Stop line ups.)

2. Mann as point only works with the right people around him, the best case scenario being healthy Kawhi and PG.

There will be times when Mann, Reggie, Kawhi, and PG are all on the floor together. I don’t care who actually brings the ball up the floor then, the main thing for me is to get Mann playing 30+ MPG in these lineups because he doesn’t need to be a consistent scorer, he can do all his other things and score when he sees opportunities.

I really think I do like seeing him bring the ball up the court though, it keeps him touching the ball and at least somewhat involved on offense Even when he’s not taking a lot of shots.

I care because what I have noticed is when Kawhi, PG, Reggie, and even Wall bring the ball up, the pace they do it is so much slower and too much dribbling. The shot clock is short now. Also Mann almost always makes a first pass to get the offense going or he gets downhill. This is what the offense needs. The offense needs to start early with as many players touching the ball. When the whole team is engaged at the offensive end, the defense is 1000 times better.

[madmaxmedia]

This is why hes a terrible coach. We all saw this lineup yet is completely clueless. Mann is a point guard. Just not traditional. We needed a non over dribbling point to get in the lane, create movement, and put pressure on the defense. He also plays d, rebounds, and blocks shots.

PG, Reggie Jackson, and a pick for Anthony Davis. Who says no?

To be fair-

1. He only said he likes to keep one in. Generally we always want one of Norm/Luke/Reggie in, if Mann is the other guard (even though we all fantasize about Wing Stop line ups.)

2. Mann as point only works with the right people around him, the best case scenario being healthy Kawhi and PG.

There will be times when Mann, Reggie, Kawhi, and PG are all on the floor together. I don’t care who actually brings the ball up the floor then, the main thing for me is to get Mann playing 30+ MPG in these lineups because he doesn’t need to be a consistent scorer, he can do all his other things and score when he sees opportunities.

I really think I do like seeing him bring the ball up the court though, it keeps him touching the ball and at least somewhat involved on offense Even when he’s not taking a lot of shots.

I care because what I have noticed is when Kawhi, PG, Reggie, and even Wall bring the ball up, the pace they do it is so much slower and too much dribbling. The shot clock is short now. Also Mann almost always makes a first pass to get the offense going or he gets downhill. This is what the offense needs. The offense needs to start early with as many players touching the ball. When the whole team is engaged at the offensive end, the defense is 1000 times better.

I don't disagree. I guess my main point is that more than anything I want him playing 30+ MPG and point guard is the best place to play him for that. He doesn't even have to bring the ball up the court every time to have a positive impact, but he does a good job of getting the team into the offense. He's not a playmaker so his first instinct is to move the ball.

[nickhx2]

my hope is that when Luke comes back he phases out wall. imo that's what turns the team into Voltron. whether that happens? we will see. but just like i believed with mann, i do think that Luke might maximize this team if he were asked to play a lead guard role as well.

[clipperlover]

Was in the B level last night, so had a good full court perspective:
1. RoCo needs to be on the court more. He was doing the little things that don't show up in the box score.
2. Mann needs to stay in the starting role. When he had responsibility on Luka, he played tight.
3. Moses Brown needs to be back in the G league. He is literally the slowest guy up and down the court.
4. Norman Powell is doing everything the Clips expected from John Wall
5. John Wall is ineffective. He plays like he thinks he is the #1 option when he should be deferring.
6. Kawhi is playing mostly on cruise control until he feels he needs to turn it on. No need to expend excess energy. He didn't even guard Luka in the 4th. His 3 over Luka was an absolute dagger.
7. Luka was F'n unreal. He dominated the 2nd Half. His 2nd half numbers would be a great day for most players. We weren't giving him a lot of space. He just knew how to use what he had.

Glad for the win. Stops the bleeding for now. We have a tough stretch between now and the break.

Would like to see a 10-12 game win streak. Crazy that we haven't won more the 3 in a row all year.

[Ballings7]

Great win

Very glad to see Covington coming around after some game rhythm after a iffy start to the season, and wasn't right physically. Another quality showing from Mann.

As expected, the skillset and approach of Mann and Covington having an increased presence for this team is what will give them the best chance to win.

[esqtvd]

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Reggie will be back. Hopefully Mann and Powell have turned some sort of corner. RoCo too. But Kawhi [mostly] playing at full tilt was the difference IMO. He's been in preseason mode all year until now.

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But I'm still worried that PG is going to need a lot more time off. Over his last 7 games--even before he reinjured the hammy--he had the WORST plus/minus on the whole team. He's ALWAYS been #2 only to Kawhi.


https://www.nba.com/stats/players/traditional?LastNGames=10&TeamID=1610612746&dir=A&sort=PLUS_MINUS

[wakelaunch1]

Teammates know.

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Reggie will be back. Hopefully Mann and Powell have turned some sort of corner. RoCo too. But Kawhi [mostly] playing at full tilt was the difference IMO. He's been in preseason mode all year until now.

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But I'm still worried that PG is going to need a lot more time off. Over his last 7 games--even before he reinjured the hammy--he had the WORST plus/minus on the whole team. He's ALWAYS been #2 only to Kawhi.


https://www.nba.com/stats/players/traditional?LastNGames=10&TeamID=1610612746&dir=A&sort=PLUS_MINUS

I am not. I like this team without him. Its more balanced. If he could play more like Mann and dribble less, make the easy pass, come off screens, move without the ball, and hit spot up 3s. Thats the PG, I would like to see but I dont know if he has that in him. The best version of modern PG, was in the All Star game.

The worst version is he dribbles the ball up the court slowly, does all his silly dribbles, waste 10-15 secs, everyone stands around and watches, and then he chucks up an off balanced step back 3. or gets doubled and makes a silly pass. Team loses energy and we get smoked off the court like in Denver.

Honestly, he needs to play with a guy like Lebron or a strong coach who will tell him exactly what to do. Kawhi isnt that kind of guy. He just expects everyone to do all the little things without telling them.

[esqtvd]

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Reggie will be back. Hopefully Mann and Powell have turned some sort of corner. RoCo too. But Kawhi [mostly] playing at full tilt was the difference IMO. He's been in preseason mode all year until now.

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But I'm still worried that PG is going to need a lot more time off. Over his last 7 games--even before he reinjured the hammy--he had the WORST plus/minus on the whole team. He's ALWAYS been #2 only to Kawhi.


https://www.nba.com/stats/players/traditional?LastNGames=10&TeamID=1610612746&dir=A&sort=PLUS_MINUS

I am not. I like this team without him. Its more balanced. If he could play more like Mann and dribble less, make the easy pass, come off screens, move without the ball, and hit spot up 3s. Thats the PG, I would like to see but I dont know if he has that in him. The best version of modern PG, was in the All Star game.

The worst version is he dribbles the ball up the court slowly, does all his silly dribbles, waste 10-15 secs, everyone stands around and watches, and then he chucks up an off balanced step back 3. or gets doubled and makes a silly pass. Team loses energy and we get smoked off the court like in Denver.

Honestly, he needs to play with a guy like Lebron or a strong coach who will tell him exactly what to do. Kawhi isnt that kind of guy. He just expects everyone to do all the little things without telling them.

I like the little things. I LOVE the BIG things. Percentages and ratings and not screwing up are nice but what matters is PRODUCTION.

You can hug Luka or Jokic like a bug but they're still gonna go for 30 or 40 and a triple double. You better just try to offset their production.

I liked Mann from Day One and have been following RoCo since his Sixers days. But let's don't get carried away here. They can help but it was Paul George who got us to the Western Conference Finals and we aren't ever getting to the NBA Finals with bit players doing the "little things." It's gonna be Kawhi and PG doing the big things. Like Steph and Giannis and LeBron do.

[madmaxmedia]

Our depth is a bunch of guys who can do little things, but take away the big guys and it doesn’t work.

This is something I wondered about during the Mavs game, but Mavs never pressured Terance bringing the ball up the court.

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[PeteyPablo]

Kawhi with only 422,000 All Star votes.

Paul George with over 1 million.

Terrance Mann is listed as a shooting guard , 6'5'' 215 lbs. He looks lean and strong to me. We have seen glimpses of his potential.

Mavericks beat the Lakers last night.